If the japanese, koreans and now chinese MG are offering 5-7 years warranty surely the rest will have to follow.???
You might think so, but I'm not so sure. How long has Kia been offering the 7 year warranty for now?, quite a few years.
Even Kia's sister company Hyundai doesn't, which does baffle me a bit. I have read in the past that Hyundai's 5 year warranty is more comprehensive than Kia's, not sure if that is still the case, but either way, given it is essentially one company, it seems odd that they don't have the same warranty.
As for the so called prestige marque's, they don't need a long warranty (or indeed, even good cars), badge snobbery does their work for them.
For companies like MG and Ssangyong, an impressive warranty is essential to tempt wary customers into their cars, but that alone is no guarantee of success.
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My interpretation on this is that the length of warranty might be a pointer to the market the different manufacturers are targeting: Ford, Vauxhall, VW selling predominantly to "low-end" company sales; the "prestige brands" the "high end" company sales ... all with the expectation that the vehicle will be traded in within 3 years.
The Japanese / Korean manufacturers want to attract private buyers who are more likely to keep their vehicles for longer, and so will be looking for longer warranties.
(Doesn't account for difference between Kia & Hyundai of course)
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My interpretation on this is that the length of warranty might be a pointer to the market the different manufacturers are targeting: Ford, Vauxhall, VW selling predominantly to "low-end" company sales; the "prestige brands" the "high end" company sales ... all with the expectation that the vehicle will be traded in within 3 years.
The Japanese / Korean manufacturers want to attract private buyers who are more likely to keep their vehicles for longer, and so will be looking for longer warranties.
(Doesn't account for difference between Kia & Hyundai of course)
The difference is that the Kia warranty is 7 years OR 100,000 miles.
Hyundai warranty is 5 years unlimited mileage.
So you choose whichever is suited to your likely usage.
Edited by galileo on 06/10/2018 at 17:18
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Lets not forget that these warranties are not free, the cost is built into the price of the car, its just not shown as a single item.
With Kia (and I guess Hyundai) although they will allow you to use a non-Kia dealer for servicing the work has to be done to the exact specification and if requested you need to produce evididence its been done, no evidence no warranty (and they do not accept a stamp in the service book as adequate proof). But how many 2nd and subsequent owners will get the recepts when they buy a use car, my best guess would be none.
So in reality very few owners will have a live warranty if they did not buy new and keep all the paperwork.
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Let's not forget that these warranties are not free, the cost is built into the price of the car, it's just not shown as a single item.
Which suggests an interesting possibility - buying new but without warranty: how much discount is that worth? If the car is a good one you probably won't need it anyway, so it could be a question worth asking. It was often worth asking for a used vehicle, so why not?
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Lets not forget that these warranties are not free, the cost is built into the price of the car......
...and probably also tying you into expensive and, for the low mileage retiree who has treated themselves to a new car, unnecessary annual 'servicing', each of which will probably result in a three figure bill by the time fluids and air/pollen filters have been needlessly replaced, half worn brake pads needlessly changed, and stonking 20% vat added. Seven years of such dealer-mandated 'services' will probably tot up to over £1000 when, at 5000 probably gentle miles a year, all it will have needed is a few quidsworth of engine oil and three oil filters.
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Lets not forget that these warranties are not free, the cost is built into the price of the car......
...and probably also tying you into expensive and, for the low mileage retiree who has treated themselves to a new car, unnecessary annual 'servicing', each of which will probably result in a three figure bill by the time fluids and air/pollen filters have been needlessly replaced, half worn brake pads needlessly changed, and stonking 20% vat added. Seven years of such dealer-mandated 'services' will probably tot up to over £1000 when, at 5000 probably gentle miles a year, all it will have needed is a few quidsworth of engine oil and three oil filters.
I have a venga, bought as an ex- demo Service pack 5 years £529. so far has had 3, brake fluid change included at year 2 as was pollen filter and every year annual oil change. Proof for warranty is there on Kia customer services online and my fully detailed invoices and service book properly stamped too! . Recently had an inspection FOC as a shock absorber leaking, changed under warranty. Friend with a sticking lights relay changed under warranty at 6.5 years. Do your servicing at a Kia dealer and you'll be covered. My latest health check showed pads fine, so no "needless changes" body inspection included too. You pays your money and makes your choice. Mine is to follow the terms and conditions of the warranty, and to be covered by it. My dealer Kia Underwoods ,Colchester..
My next car when the time comes will be a Kia... and a kia with a full manufacturers warranty, none of this £1600+ for year 4 and 5 from certain makers..
John, if you want to do what you want to, that is your choice, but having spent my working life in the motor trade I am aware of who is good to deal with nowadays and who to keep a mile or so away from.
Edited by oldroverboy. on 06/10/2018 at 19:03
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And that is great OLB, but you are obviously an extremely knowledgeable, diligent owner who knows the ropes. I suspect in reality, it is more akin to Skidpan's description. Let's face it, most owners hardly bother with servicing at all! But like you, if I were buying new, I'd look very carefully at these makes.
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And that is great ORB, but you are obviously an extremely knowledgeable, diligent owner who knows the ropes. I suspect in reality, it is more akin to Skidpan's description. Let's face it, most owners hardly bother with servicing at all! But like you, if I were buying new, I'd look very carefully at these makes.
I have neighbours who MOT their cars when they need, but not always on time,, and in the past have fixed when broke.. but no servicing. in 3.5 years now on 4th car.. last one was a catastrophic failure, engine repaired then replaced and eventually car returned. (happy to say dealership in se essex were good and refunded)
There are many happy to chance it, equally many who can;t affoed it, but each one is free to do as..
Edited by oldroverboy. on 06/10/2018 at 19:36
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...and probably also tying you into expensive and, for the low mileage retiree who has treated themselves to a new car, unnecessary annual 'servicing',...
As someone who has a Kia Sorento and is about to retire ...
There is a 'low mileage' servicing regime for my car, which is essentially a full service every 2nd year and an MOT-style lookover for the inbetween year. The 'service' this year cost £59 including a very thorough mini valet. Last year was about £240 including oil, filters, brake fluid change etc.
The downside is that the oil stays in there for two years - but it keeps the costs down.
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If the japanese, koreans and now chinese MG are offering 5-7 years warranty surely the rest will have to follow.???
You might think so, but I'm not so sure. How long has Kia been offering the 7 year warranty for now?, quite a few years.
Even Kia's sister company Hyundai doesn't, which does baffle me a bit. I have read in the past that Hyundai's 5 year warranty is more comprehensive than Kia's, not sure if that is still the case, but either way, given it is essentially one company, it seems odd that they don't have the same warranty.
As for the so called prestige marque's, they don't need a long warranty (or indeed, even good cars), badge snobbery does their work for them.
For companies like MG and Ssangyong, an impressive warranty is essential to tempt wary customers into their cars, but that alone is no guarantee of success.
Hyundai's 5-year warranty is unlimited mileage - Kia's 7-year warranty is limited to 100,000 miles - they have similar exclusions for wear/tear items but helpfully state what mileage limits apply to specific parts.
Car makers, generally, are only interested in the original owner and want them to change their car as often as possible.
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My interpretation of the motivation for manufacturers providing long warranties is that it's all about getting more money off you later and keeping you visiting the dealership. They effectively force owners to continue for longer with main dealer servicing for most of the life of the car to keep the warranty active, than actually any sign of it being better or worse built.
Years ago, Volvo used to do something similar with 'free' breakdown recovery. My father (who knows nothing about cars and has most likely been fleeced by main dealers for years as he even buys tyres and wiper blades there!) was happily paying well over the odds to have his 15 year old Volvo serviced at the main dealers just to maintain a breakdown recovery worth no more than £100 per year.
It doesn't just reduce the chance of the individual taking their car elsewhere, it also deters manufacturer specialist independents from setting up in the first place. There are VAG, BMW and Mercedes independent specialists everywhere, and a fair number for Peugeot, Honda etc, but I've never come across any garage that claims to specialise in just Kias and Hyundais. There are probably some, but not as common as you'd expect for the numbers of cars on the road.
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It doesn't just reduce the chance of the individual taking their car elsewhere,
There are some who see it my way 5 services and body inspections for £529 = £106 per annual service including annual oil changes and brake fluid and pollen filter changes. I have the serving pack for the value, the warranty is a bonus if you like, but primarily the car does what i whant at a price point for Purchase and warranty. It's not what anyone would call a pretty car, but exterior wise it is smaller than the stonic which replaces it but interior wise it is better.
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Even my Alfa Giulia came with 5 years Warranty and 3 years servicing.
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