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BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - NickosWirral

Hello!

My first post on the forum was regarding my dead PowerShift Mondeo - dead because of the Powershift. Frustratingly my wife's car also came to the end of the lease, so we replaces that with a new Skoda Scala family hatch. Love it by the way!

However, we still need a bigger car for the rare days all 5 of us are out together, or for my occasional trip to the office a 2 times per month - (160 mile round trip). It would be nice for the family days out/UK holiday trips to have a bit more space and a little more comfort.

My budget is probably 7k at a stretch (due to having to buy 2 cars in one month), and I was thinking of an older higher mileage large vehicle (providing the essentials like timing chain were replaced etc). I'd be unlikely to put more than 6k a year on it I reckon. I was looking at 5 series BMWs, but would be keen to hear if this is a good idea, or what alternatives I might consider.

Many thanks!

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - pd

Hello!

My first post on the forum was regarding my dead PowerShift Mondeo - dead because of the Powershift. Frustratingly my wife's car also came to the end of the lease, so we replaces that with a new Skoda Scala family hatch. Love it by the way!

However, we still need a bigger car for the rare days all 5 of us are out together, or for my occasional trip to the office a 2 times per month - (160 mile round trip). It would be nice for the family days out/UK holiday trips to have a bit more space and a little more comfort.

My budget is probably 7k at a stretch (due to having to buy 2 cars in one month), and I was thinking of an older higher mileage large vehicle (providing the essentials like timing chain were replaced etc). I'd be unlikely to put more than 6k a year on it I reckon. I was looking at 5 series BMWs, but would be keen to hear if this is a good idea, or what alternatives I might consider.

Many thanks!

You'd be looking at a F10/F11. Which I like. A lot. At that price you'd probably be looking at a pre-facelift 2010-2014 model.

They're generally pretty solid. Airbags can and do go on the estates. They can suffer from electrical niggles. There is also a large option range so check the spec you are after carefully. M Sports tend to fetch more money but in truth the SE is arguably nicer. Don't buy a manual.

The 530d is lovely and the one I'd recommend but there are few about and fetch a real premium. The 520d is perfectly adequate just not particularly inspiring. Check the timing chain for rattles. If it is not rattling and you service it well and you are doing a low mileage anyway it will probably be fine.

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - pd

Just to add on alternatives I suppose you'd be looking at the facelift 2011-2015 Jaguar XF (which I also like a lot and in fact probably rate slightly higher than the BMW), large Volvos of various types, Mercedes E Class, Audi A6/A7 (which I am less of a fan of) etc.

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - John F

The older the car, the more important is its potential body longevity. Also, the weight the manufacturer gives to its long term mechanical reliability rather than beating the competition's 0-60 times. I would avoid big old BMWs and Jaguars. So, for maximum VFM (which precludes MBs) I would be looking at the fully galvanised Audi A6, or the all aluminium (including subframes) A8. On a well known website there are some gems around in the 5-7k price bracket.

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - Steveieb

Think John has got the best advice with the A8 but I inherited my sons E320 D 2007 which is a truly lovely car but I’m glad I have a Mercedes specialist with over 40 years experience near me to sort out any potential problems .

Not sure if the A8 has air suspension ? But that’s something I could do without on an old car, but mine has no emissions stuff which often cause the most problems !

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - gordonbennet

Think John has got the best advice with the A8 but I inherited my sons E320 D 2007 which is a truly lovely car but I’m glad I have a Mercedes specialist with over 40 years experience near me to sort out any potential problems .

Not sure if the A8 has air suspension ? But that’s something I could do without on an old car, but mine has no emissions stuff which often cause the most problems !

Steveieb's car is one of the best Mercs of recent years, facelift W211s are good news generally, whilst the 3 litre is a storming engine don't discount the 4 cyl Diesel out of hand whether badged 220 or 250 they're more capable than one might imagine, the local private hire chap i know from years ago used to run these (and the previous W210) to 400k miles with very little in the way of issues before moving them on, they were however looked after by the indy he mentions who's probably forgotten more about MBs than the dealership is ever likely to learn.

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - leaseman

In 2010 we bought a 2005 VAT Qualifying Volvo XC70 SE Lux Geartronic 5 cylinder diesel Estate with about 60K on the clock and with FSH.

it joined our small fleet of short-term Contract Hire vehicles to use as a pre-contract car for clients ordering cars with long lead times, so had a varied life. In the next 11 years, it was regularly serviced outside of the dealer network and covered another 90,000 miles with the biggest single cost being for a head-light bulb at a Volvo Dealership out of our area of control (£150 fitted- Ouch!).

I've just checked the MOT History, and it's still going strong at 170K Miles with no major fails.

No earth-shattering performance, but one of the most comfortable and roomy cars I've ever driven.

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - NickosWirral

Is it just the All Road variants of the A6 which are galv?

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - NickosWirral

Cheers. What's the problem with a manual? I do like auto, but my foray into automatics in my Ford kind of put me off. Or maybe I am comparing apples to oranges!

Read the N57 engine in the 530d is a better engine if I can find an SE version in budget, maybe I can opt for that..

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - pd

Cheers. What's the problem with a manual? I do like auto, but my foray into automatics in my Ford kind of put me off. Or maybe I am comparing apples to oranges!

Read the N57 engine in the 530d is a better engine if I can find an SE version in budget, maybe I can opt for that..

The manuals are just rather clunky and very unsuited to the car. The 8-speed auto is very good and usually very reliable. DMFs can also be an issue which are obviously not in the auto.

A 530d SE Auto should be a nice car. In terms of reliability there isn't much in it between 2 litre or 3 litre but the straight 6 is just a much nicer engine and elevates the car into a different class.

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - Adampr

I'll be the boring one that says not to forget:

Mazda 6

Toyota Avensis

Kia Optima

Hyundai i40

The Mazda has a nice interior, the Toyota will be super reliable, the Koreans will be very well equipped.

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - SLO76
I wouldn’t recommend an elderly BMW to you, they’re usually money pits. Much depends on what’s available at the time. Give me a rough search area? Does it need to be an auto?

Edited by SLO76 on 21/12/2023 at 19:07

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - NickosWirral

By no means does it have to be automatic if it's some other car. I was attracted to the F10./11 5 series as looked after examples tend (to me) to look as good and modern as the day they came out of the factory - as well as being exceptionally comfortable in long journeys.

I'm CH47 postcode - say 50 miles. But in honesty, go national as I can wait for a good local example to come up if you have any good ideas. Thank you!

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - NickosWirral

Meant to mention. The other thing to consider is three children in the back (not in car seats),

But need a roomy interior...

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - SLO76
After many years of buying and selling cars I can’t recommend a cheap BMW to you, but there are a few much more reliable options.

The Mazda 6 petrol is an excellent big saloon. It’s nice to drive, decent on fuel and mechanically very robust, there’s no timing belt to snap, no turbo to fail and no real vices to worry about if you find a well cared for example. Don’t touch the diesels!

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311073726927
BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - NickosWirral

I was sceptical at first, but you may have done it! Great economy for a 2.0 petrol too!

Why would you avoid the diesels? Inherently bad, or just my low mileage? Reckon it's as roomy in the back as the BMW?

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - Adampr

I was sceptical at first, but you may have done it! Great economy for a 2.0 petrol too!

Why would you avoid the diesels? Inherently bad, or just my low mileage? Reckon it's as roomy in the back as the BMW?

The diesels are prone to very expensive engine problems.

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - badbusdriver

Reckon it's as roomy in the back as the BMW?

The Mazda isn't exactly cramped, but nor is it particularly spacious for that size class (you could probably say the same for a 5 Series though). Also the sculpted rear seat is clearly designed with the emphasis on two occupants with the person in the middle getting a poorer deal. Pics of a 5 Series appear to show a flatter rear bench, though that is countered by a fairly intrusive transmission tunnel.

TBH, neither ideal for three in the back (IMO).

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - NickosWirral

Is there an ideal saloon or estate for three in the back? Does it even exist? I just feel those jump seats in the MPV 7 seaters are unsafe and barely practical, hence me trying to for three in the back.

Maybe I'm looking for something that doesn't exist, certainly for my budget?

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - RT

Is there an ideal saloon or estate for three in the back? Does it even exist? I just feel those jump seats in the MPV 7 seaters are unsafe and barely practical, hence me trying to for three in the back.

Maybe I'm looking for something that doesn't exist, certainly for my budget?

I can think of two, maybe three, but they're SUVs not estates - I had a 2011 Hyundai Santa Fe and regularly took three adults in the back - I now have a 2016 VW Touareg and do the same, it has a couple of cm more shoulder room but the centre seat is less comfortable than the Santa Fe - I've not checked it but the Kia Sorento is the Santa Fe's sibling so may be equally roomy.

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - SLO76
With a limited budget compromises will often have to be made. At this money the big Mazda is a great option, I’d recommend trying one for size. It’s on my shortlist when the time comes to replace my old Toyota Avensis.
BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - NickosWirral

I do really like that Mazda. Does it have that transmission tunnel between the legs of the middle person, I can't see from the photos. Chatting to some mates, everybody seems to thoroughly trust the brand, but prefer the BMW badge.

And even if I sold a kidney on the black market, I'm not sure there is a significantly better option. I don't like SUV style vehicles at all - my wife has had them for years. All bulk, no real space. After my Ford incident I need reliability. I think Mazda might be the ticket. Off to look at the one suggested earlier after Christmas (if no one beats me to it!) :)

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - badbusdriver

Is there an ideal saloon or estate for three in the back? Does it even exist? I just feel those jump seats in the MPV 7 seaters are unsafe and barely practical, hence me trying to for three in the back.

A 7 seat MPV has 3 seats in the second row, so there really isn't any need to use the 3rd row if you don't want to. Point is, most are designed to accommodate 3 in the middle row.

I do really like that Mazda. Does it have that transmission tunnel between the legs of the middle person, I can't see from the photos.

It does have a tunnel, just not as big and wide as the 5 Series.

he Mazda 6 is 4865mm long, 1840mm wide and has a 480 litre boot (pretty modest for a car of that size). An example of something I'd consider is the Vauxhall Zafira Tourer. It is 4656mm long, 1884mm wide, and with 3rd row seats folded, has 710 litres of boot space. It also has 3 individual rear seats (of the same size and shape) and a flat floor.

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - Andrew-T

<< It does have a tunnel, just not as big and wide as the 5 Series. >>

All cars have a 'tunnel', it's an essential part of a stiff bodyshell. The tunnel in a RWD car is usually bigger as it has to accommodate a prop-shaft as well as the exhaust pipe [EVs will have different rules ]

Edited by Andrew-T on 23/12/2023 at 23:24

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - badbusdriver

<< It does have a tunnel, just not as big and wide as the 5 Series. >>

All cars have a 'tunnel', it's an essential part of a stiff bodyshell. The tunnel in a RWD car is usually bigger as it has to accommodate a prop-shaft as well as the exhaust pipe [EVs will have different rules ]

No they don't (and therefore no it isn't), plenty of ICE MPV's and SUV's have a flat floor in the rear. The Peugeot Partner Combi we had when the kids were younger is one of many.

Edited by badbusdriver on 24/12/2023 at 07:35

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - Andrew-T

<< It does have a tunnel, just not as big and wide as the 5 Series. >>

All cars have a 'tunnel', it's an essential part of a stiff bodyshell. The tunnel in a RWD car is usually bigger as it has to accommodate a prop-shaft as well as the exhaust pipe [EVs will have different rules ]

No they don't (and therefore no it isn't), plenty of ICE MPV's and SUV's have a flat floor in the rear. The Peugeot Partner Combi we had when the kids were younger is one of many.

Are they flat underneath too ?

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - badbusdriver

<< It does have a tunnel, just not as big and wide as the 5 Series. >>

All cars have a 'tunnel', it's an essential part of a stiff bodyshell. The tunnel in a RWD car is usually bigger as it has to accommodate a prop-shaft as well as the exhaust pipe [EVs will have different rules ]

No they don't (and therefore no it isn't), plenty of ICE MPV's and SUV's have a flat floor in the rear. The Peugeot Partner Combi we had when the kids were younger is one of many.

Are they flat underneath too ?

How is what's under the floor relevant to footpace above it within the cabin?

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - Andrew-T

<< How is what's under the floor relevant to footspace above it within the cabin? >>

My thinking was that a car with a higher roof may well have a higher floor, so the necessary stiffening 'tunnel' could be out of sight ?

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - Steveieb

The key to owning a premium large high mileage car IMHO is to have a specialist independent nearby.

I my case myMB specialist only works on that marque and can afford to pay for the Star software which makes diagnostics so much easier

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - NickosWirral

I thought about pushing the budget a bit (would mean a lot of other life compromises),

But this example came up too - think it's a slightly facelifed version?

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202310293444864?s...a

But things like 19" wheels out me off as straight away relatively cheap to replace 17" will probably cost me 50 % more to replace etc.

On balance would you prefer less miles or a younger car? Also depreciation is a worry for me,

Would these Mazdas at this age, well maintained, hold value well?

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - SLO76
Cream leather will get tatty quickly and black paint is hard to keep nice. It’s not a combination I’d seek out. As for depreciation, well all large saloons like this will drop more quickly than their smaller hatchback relatives. A Mazda 3 2.0 Skyactiv would be an easier sale at the same age, especially pre 2017 examples as they’re cheap to tax. The big Mazda 6 won’t fare any worse than a Toyota Avensis or Ford Mondeo however, but the estates are always worth more.
BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - RT
Cream leather will get tatty quickly and black paint is hard to keep nice. It’s not a combination I’d seek out. As for depreciation, well all large saloons like this will drop more quickly than their smaller hatchback relatives. A Mazda 3 2.0 Skyactiv would be an easier sale at the same age, especially pre 2017 examples as they’re cheap to tax. The big Mazda 6 won’t fare any worse than a Toyota Avensis or Ford Mondeo however, but the estates are always worth more.

I have cream leather as a factory order on my VW Touareg, it's fine even taking five people on outdoor field trips - a quick wipe and it's as good as new.

I hate cars with black interiors, far too dark and depressing.

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - Andrew-T

<< I hate cars with black interiors, far too dark and depressing. >>

.... and they get hotter !

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - NickosWirral

Do you think the discontinuation of the 6 will impact on spares or parts of anything, especially as I am planning for longevity? Basically I want to keep this for as long as it takes for me to be able to afford to move to an EV which I can afford and does what I need.

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - badbusdriver

I thought about pushing the budget a bit (would mean a lot of other life compromises),

But this example came up too - think it's a slightly facelifed version?

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202310293444864?s...a

But things like 19" wheels out me off as straight away relatively cheap to replace 17" will probably cost me 50 % more to replace etc.

On balance would you prefer less miles or a younger car? Also depreciation is a worry for me,

Would these Mazdas at this age, well maintained, hold value well?

Mazda is not a wealthy company relative to BMW for example. So the example you post doesn't really offer anything worth having over the earlier car, possibly better phone connectivity/infotainment(?). With a non age related plate, nobody would be able to tell which was the younger car.

The larger wheels would be a very definite negative for me. Not just because of the extra cost to replace but also how much more vulnerable they are on our pothole infested 3rd world roads, and the detrimental effect to both ride and road noise.

Finally, if depreciation is a big thing for you (frankly it shouldn't unless you only plan to keep it a year or two) then an older car is always going to be better than a younger one. So picking the older and cheaper car is a no-brainer.

One other point, that red colour of the older car looks spectacular but is apparently rather expensive if any bodywork needs done after a prang or whatever. Having said that, I'd still chose it over black myself.

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - NickosWirral

I need 10.years out of this car, especially after my Mondeo powershift fiasco, so depreciation shouldn't be a big issue, thinking about it. Nor do I enjoy buying and selling cars, so this needs to be done once :)

I hope to look at the red one today. I would like some form of leather interior, but I know beggars can't be choosers, and all that :)

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - pd

I thought about pushing the budget a bit (would mean a lot of other life compromises),

But this example came up too - think it's a slightly facelifed version?

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202310293444864?s...a

But things like 19" wheels out me off as straight away relatively cheap to replace 17" will probably cost me 50 % more to replace etc.

On balance would you prefer less miles or a younger car? Also depreciation is a worry for me,

Would these Mazdas at this age, well maintained, hold value well?

In a word, no, large Mazdas do not hold their prices well but in fairness they are no worse than anything similar. The gearbox will also limit its appe - people just don't want larger cars with manual gearboxes much these days. However, that may be an advantage when buying.

It looks a decent enough car although check who the warranty is with as Cazoo might not be around much longer.

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - badbusdriver

I would like some form of leather interior, but I know beggars can't be choosers, and all that :)

Horses for courses and all, but for me, a cloth interior is much preferable to leather :-)

BMW 5 Series - Ideas for a older larger higher mileage car? - badbusdriver

Do you think the discontinuation of the 6 will impact on spares or parts of anything, especially as I am planning for longevity? Basically I want to keep this for as long as it takes for me to be able to afford to move to an EV which I can afford and does what I need.

Is it actually being discontinued or is it just no longer going to be sold in the UK?. Here, as with many markets, everyone wants SUV's, but there are plenty other markets where saloon cars are still wanted.

But it is highly unlikely you will have any issues obtaining servicing parts in the UK. Body and trim panels may potentially become more of an issue in time, but I can't see you ever not being able to get parts during a decade with the car.

Or to put it another way, were it me, parts availability would not be something I'd have any concerns about.