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c10 year old Lexus Hybrids - kaesar

Hi all,

I'm following up on my earlier thread "Recommendation - comfortable, large car. c£12000".

Mybudget/criteria has suggested several Lexus Petrol-Hybrid cars from around 2010-2013/40-60k miles. My prejudice would have been to prefer diesels of that age as I have my doubts about early hybrid technology. Can anyone give an opinion on these?

c10 year old Lexus Hybrids - madf

The hybrid technology is FAR more reliable than any diesel.(EGR valves, injectors)

Lexus reliability is far better than any maker of diesel cars.

But the V6 requires new waterpump and cambelt around 100k miles.

And watch for rust on subframe and suspension components.

c10 year old Lexus Hybrids - barney100

Lexus hybrids must be magic, I've had diesels for many years and the engines have been fine and very reliable. Oh and no cam belts needed on my Mercs though the Volvo does have one.

c10 year old Lexus Hybrids - badbusdriver

Hi all,

I'm following up on my earlier thread "Recommendation - comfortable, large car. c£12000".

Mybudget/criteria has suggested several Lexus Petrol-Hybrid cars from around 2010-2013/40-60k miles. My prejudice would have been to prefer diesels of that age as I have my doubts about early hybrid technology. Can anyone give an opinion on these?

2010 is not 'early hybrid technology'. The first generations of the Toyota Prius and Honda Insight first appeared in 1997 and 1999 respectively.

I wouldn't suggest a car to someone on here if it was unreliable, but Toyota/Lexus hybrids are among the most reliable cars on the road.

c10 year old Lexus Hybrids - craig-pd130

You do get 10+ year old cars appearing on the Lexus Approved Used listings quite often, which means they're sold with a bulletproof 12-month warranty and provenance. Of course you pay something of a premium for this compared with a private sale.

Also, if you have an Approved Used car serviced at a Lexus dealer, they offer fixed-price packages and each service extends the warranty on the powertrain and battery pack for another 12 months, and this is reckoned to be the savvy way to do it.

Have a look at the High Peak Autos channel on Youtube, he drives and reviews several Lexii and talks through the options.

c10 year old Lexus Hybrids - John F

I think a ten year old Lexus having done, and intended to do, only six thousand miles a year, is unlikely to need many expensive repairs or servicing in the next ten years, as long as attention is paid to underbody corrosion. I would expect it to be at least as durable and trouble free as our relatively downmarket twenty year old Ford Focus.

c10 year old Lexus Hybrids - SLO76
Good robust cars but complex and parts are expensive. Far more reliable than a decade old German diesel equivalent but I personally wouldn’t buy one unless you’ve an independent nearby who specialises in Lexus/hybrid/prestige brands. These aren’t big sellers and most independent garages will have never worked on one let alone have any specialist tools or diagnostic equipment.

I’d rather stick with a newer more mainstream model like a Mazda 6 2.0 Skyactiv but I do see the appeal of a Lexus. Just don’t expect your local garage to be able to handle anything other than basic servicing however. Chances are though that it won’t need anything else.

Just remember though that battery packs degrade rapidly past 7yrs of age and replacement isn’t economically viable on a ten year old car. Economy won’t come close to matching advertised figures, often you’ll just be towing a heavy hybrid power train and power pack around for little benefit on a ten year old car. A good friend has a 2009 Toyota Prius and it barely hits mid 40’s to the gallon average which is barely better than my petrol 2010 Toyota Avensis estate.

Edited by SLO76 on 24/07/2021 at 11:00

c10 year old Lexus Hybrids - pd

Oddly enough the Lexus hybrid do not seem as reliable as the Toyota, particularly in the GS450h.

On the whole though they are still well built, reliable cars.

Battery packs are generally proving reliable in them and I've seen 15 year old ones going strong. The good news about the Toyota hybrid batteries is you can usually get them repaired rather than having to replace the whole thing.

c10 year old Lexus Hybrids - Heidfirst
Just remember though that battery packs degrade rapidly past 7yrs of age and replacement isn’t economically viable on a ten year old car.

With an annual Hybrid Health Check (available separately or free as part of a service) Lexus will warranty the drive battery for > 15 years.

c10 year old Lexus Hybrids - mcb100
Invest in a catalytic converter lock, Lexus’ (particularly RX) are targeted by lowlifes stealing cats.
c10 year old Lexus Hybrids - badbusdriver

I personally wouldn’t buy one unless you’ve an independent nearby who specialises in Lexus/hybrid/prestige brands. These aren’t big sellers and most independent garages will have never worked on one let alone have any specialist tools or diagnostic equipment.

Surely, if it is one of the more mainstream Lexus hybrids (IS, RX, GS etc) any Toyota dealer would be able to service it?. After all, the self charging hybrid system works in exactly the same way on both brands. In fact, isn't a RAV4 hybrid mechanically identical to a Lexus IS300H? (I know the CT200H is exactly the same under the skin as a Prius or Auris hybrid, but from what I remember of the OP's previous post, he was more interested in a bigger car).

Just remember though that battery packs degrade rapidly past 7yrs of age and replacement isn’t economically viable on a ten year old car. Economy won’t come close to matching advertised figures, often you’ll just be towing a heavy hybrid power train and power pack around for little benefit on a ten year old car.

As for (hybrid system) battery degradation, researching online suggest there is no specific age or mileage this can start to happen, it just depends on how the car has been used (though it certainly can last up to to 200k miles). However, because a self charge hybrid looks after its battery much better than an EV or PHEV, and, as mentioned, Lexus will warrant the battery up to 15 years subject to the annual health check, I don't think there would be too much to worry about on a 10 year old car with full Lexus history.

(should the worst happen)I can't find out what a replacement battery actually costs (assuming it can't be repaired), but seeing as we are talking about a hybrid rather than an EV (therefore the battery isn't actually that big), surely it can't be that expensive relative to the battery on an EV?. Also, a 10 year old Lexus hybrid can go for more than £15k, so with both of those factors in mind, is it really going to be uneconomical to replace the battery?.

As an interesting(?) alternative, there are YouTube video's showing that replacement of a Lexus (IS300H) hybrid battery pack is eminently doable for someone reasonably competent at DIY. Most importantly, there are very clear instructions on how to discharge the high voltage wiring system (then how to check that it actually has!), other than that, just nuts and bolts really, along with some electrical connectors (lifting the battery out from the boot is a 2 man job).

A good friend has a 2009 Toyota Prius and it barely hits mid 40’s to the gallon average which is barely better than my petrol 2010 Toyota Avensis estate.

Unsurprisingly, one of the tell tale signs of battery degradation is poor (or poorer) mpg as obviously the battery isn't contributing as much as it should. This would appear to be the case here, the real mpg section of this website suggests a Prius of that age should do 10mpg+ more than your friend is getting.

Edited by badbusdriver on 25/07/2021 at 10:38

c10 year old Lexus Hybrids - Heidfirst

A good friend has a 2009 Toyota Prius and it barely hits mid 40’s to the gallon average which is barely better than my petrol 2010 Toyota Avensis estate.

Unsurprisingly, one of the tell tale signs of battery degradation is poor (or poorer) mpg as obviously the battery isn't contributing as much as it should. This would appear to be the case here, the real mpg section of this website suggests a Prius of that age should do 10mpg+ more than your friend is getting.

A lot also comes down to how/where the car is driven. I have a 2017 Avensis 1.8 TS & over the last 18 months, with driving confined to trips of only a few miles radius in an urban environment, I would be delighted to have been getting 40mpg out of it (although I know it is capable of it on longer runs). Similarly, if the Prius has been used largely for driving at motorway limit speeds that is not the type of usage to get the best mpg from it.