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any - Old vs new (I think old clearly wins) - lucklesspedestrian

In an idle moment I was having a look on the motoring section of MSN news just there.

The point of the article was to show how much equivalent cars have grown in size over the years but I was just struck, quite powerfully, by how ugly and graceless current models were in comparison to their ancestors. Is it just me or as I'm increasingly convinced, did car design really peak about 50 years ago (I suspect there are far more compelling examples than in the linked article here). I know about reliability, comfort, performance and safety and that there's no comparison between now and then but c'mon, what about aesthetics and grace?

Rant over, here's the link!

See how cars have grown over the years (msn.com)

any - Old vs new (I think old clearly wins) - barney100

We had something about car size in the past, apparently the new Minis are bigger than the old Maxis!

any - Old vs new (I think old clearly wins) - misar

To answer your question - its just you.

Applying your criteria (aesthetics and grace) I don't see how anyone could claim that 50 years ago most cars passed and today most fail. As with any product, there have always been both good and bad car designs on the market and there always will be.

Anyway a lot depends on personal taste. FWIW my first car was a Cortina Mk2 and my car now is the current Mazda 3. In my view the latter wins hands down on aesthetics and grace but of course others may disagree.

any - Old vs new (I think old clearly wins) - Engineer Andy

To answer your question - its just you.

Applying your criteria (aesthetics and grace) I don't see how anyone could claim that 50 years ago most cars passed and today most fail. As with any product, there have always been both good and bad car designs on the market and there always will be.

Anyway a lot depends on personal taste. FWIW my first car was a Cortina Mk2 and my car now is the current Mazda 3. In my view the latter wins hands down on aesthetics and grace but of course others may disagree.

As LP says, many cars are far larger than their forebears, even compared to versions just 10-15 years ago. It's one of the reasons why I still like Mazdas, as they aren't much different in size from my gen-1 Mazda3 to yours, and the current gen-4 car is bar far the best looking of the four versions.

I also agree about the Minis - obviously the original is a styling classic, but so small, and increadibly dangerous if your involved in an accident, as was the Metro/Rover 100 (a pupil at my school in the year above me in 6th form was kill in one [front passenger]).

The NuMini was a lovely looking car, bigger than the original, but the generations that followed have bloated it, especially the downright ugly variants. I'm sure though they are far safer than the original and Metro/100.

I think that the styling of many a modern car (last 30 years), inside and out, is rather soul-less, probably because of a combination of required safety features, aeordynamics and a tendancy for manufacturers to copy 'what's in fashion' rather than to innovate, although there must be a limit on how varied a car styling can be within the parameters I mentioned.

I would say that, with a few exceptions, American cars are far uglier than their equivalents from the 1950s, 60s and early 70s. Then they lost the plot entirely.

any - Old vs new (I think old clearly wins) - Engineer Andy

In an idle moment I was having a look on the motoring section of MSN news just there.

The point of the article was to show how much equivalent cars have grown in size over the years but I was just struck, quite powerfully, by how ugly and graceless current models were in comparison to their ancestors. Is it just me or as I'm increasingly convinced, did car design really peak about 50 years ago (I suspect there are far more compelling examples than in the linked article here). I know about reliability, comfort, performance and safety and that there's no comparison between now and then but c'mon, what about aesthetics and grace?

Rant over, here's the link!

See how cars have grown over the years (msn.com)

Strictly speaking, I think you mean car styling, not 'design', which incorporates all the engineering aspects as well as the styling, which obviously is (on the outside) heavily influenced by aerodynamics and much more so than 50 years ago for most cars.

any - Old vs new (I think old clearly wins) - edlithgow

Also seems to be heavily influenced by The Transformers franchise.

Perhaps a new generation of designers, who didn't see the films/get the T-shirts/play the video games will produce stuff with a less bag-o-chisels aesthetic.

any - Old vs new (I think old clearly wins) - badbusdriver

To answer your question - its just you.

Anyway a lot depends on personal taste. FWIW my first car was a Cortina Mk2 and my car now is the current Mazda 3. In my view the latter wins hands down on aesthetics and grace but of course others may disagree.

Hmm, you have contradicted your own statement within one post!.

Interesting also that you'd use (IMO) the best looking car in its class as an example to prove that current cars are aesthetically more pleasing than older ones........

IMO, a far greater proportion of modern cars are uglier than those 50 years ago, and sorry, but I think a MK2 Cortina is a better looking car than the current Mazda 3 (What I would give for a 'Savage'!, but I'd settle for a 1600E).

any - Old vs new (I think old clearly wins) - John F

Fifty years ago I thought the Maserati Ghibli Spyder was the best looking car in the world, better even than a Jaguar E-type, which although the body was great the wheels looked silly, being too narrow tracked.

Curvy Austins always seemed to look as if they had a smile on their faces.

Modern styling now seems to eschew curves, going for an aggressive dragon eyed look with lots of sharp angles and random creases like bad ironing. Presumably this is for the Asian market - apparently curviness is bad feng shui.

any - Old vs new (I think old clearly wins) - badbusdriver

Fifty years ago I thought the Maserati Ghibli Spyder was the best looking car in the world,

Do you not still think that John?

The Asian markets (though not just them) are also the reason for BMW's and various other makes, having absolutely huge grills.

But car styling these days seems to be all about aggression, with snarling angry 'faces', huge wheels, and of course everything has to be 'sporty'. This seems to be what makes a car 'good looking' to the modern buyer whereas 50 years ago, good looking cars were 'pretty', often effeminate and delicate looking. These qualities are apparently no longer desirable!.

Looking at the entire BMW range (which is quite big), the only two which I like aesthetically, are the i3 and i8. Both not long for this world, and while the i8 may not actually be replaced directly, the i3 will, by something which looks a lot less interesting and innovative.

any - Old vs new (I think old clearly wins) - movilogo

Had a look at OP's link.

Except Toyota (or any car where the grill is too low towards the ground, without a prominent front bumper), I liked all modern styling more compared to their older counterparts.

To me newer Mini looks way better than original version.

But this is very much personal taste - so opinions will vary.

Edited by movilogo on 16/05/2021 at 11:08

any - Old vs new (I think old clearly wins) - Terry W

We (homo sapiens) are largely to blame.

It is estimated that 40% of the population is now obese compared to ~15% in 1970 - fatter people need bgger seats.

Safety legislation makes cars bigger and heavier - to protect occupants and pedestrians.

Computer software used to optimise designs will tend to result in similar design solutions as the constraints - fuel consumption, aerodynamic efficiency, payload requirements (people, luggage etc) ,material properties etc - are all constants.

Technical improvements and expectations have changed and buyers now want features not generally available on most cars 50 years ago - air con, power steering, electric windows, power seats, soundproofing improvements. All these add weight, size and cost.

any - Old vs new (I think old clearly wins) - madf

Nostalgia for teh past is a trait most likel;y attributed to failure.

any - Old vs new (I think old clearly wins) - badbusdriver

Nostalgia for teh past is a trait most likel;y attributed to failure.

Doesn't really apply, for a variety reasons, not least because nobody is saying old cars are better than new ones. The question is whether they are better looking.

any - Old vs new (I think old clearly wins) - Andrew-T

It is estimated that 40% of the population is now obese compared to ~15% in 1970 - fatter people need bigger seats. Safety legislation makes cars bigger and heavier - to protect occupants and pedestrians.

But I don't get the impression that interiors have grown much, just that passengers are much more c0c00ned in modern cars with all the crash protection, to say nothing of space-wasting stuff like screen-controls and cupholders..

I was amused today when passed by an Audi with sequential indicators. I remember them on Yankee tanks from the 1960s. What goes around ...

Edited by Andrew-T on 16/05/2021 at 14:59

any - Old vs new (I think old clearly wins) - Terry W

Comparing a Ford Focus, the spiritual successor to a 1990 Ford Escort:

- 150kg heavier

- 26cm longer

- 18cm wider

- 18cm longer wheelbase

But you are right - the gizmos and interior trim can make a modern car feel more snug - even if there is more space.