What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - FoxyJukebox

In my residential area and even at petrol stations I hardly EVER now see

1) Oil being checked with dipstick etc

2) Coolant/windscreen water being topped up

3) Tyre pressures being checked

4) Car being washed.

5) I was going to add that it is also very rare to see a car bonnet UP!

Most cars I see are fairly new, some luxury, many 4x4's all with, I suspect, long service intervals. Do people not bother any more with these basic essentials ?

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - RobJP

1. Most cars have electronic dipsticks, so not possible.

2. Screenwash virtually all cars have a reservoir sensor. If low, it tells you and you top it up. Coolant ditto.

3. TPMS mandatory on all cars for the last couple of years, and fitted on a lot of cars for the last decade

4. People don't want to wash their own cars. Far easier to sit in the car and let someone else or a machine do it.

5. See all the above.

Finally, most new cars aren't owned, they are leased. So hell, it isn't the person's property, so it isn't their problem.

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - catsdad
For last twenty years I have had a succession of well equipped midrange company cars, all new, until I retired three years ago when I bought a nearly new car. I have never had an electronic dipstick or reservoir sensor. I suspect folks are just lazy.

I wouldn't trust TPMS to monitor pressures per se. Mine works on the ABS sensors so if all the tyres lost pressure consistently via natural losses it would not trigger TPMS.

Rob you are spot on re leased cars.
What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - skidpan

Only had two car with electronic dipsticks but it was still possible to check the oil level in the old way.

Had 4 cars in the house with TPMS since 2005. 3 have had the ABS system, one the valve based system. With the ABS based system it compares the speed of each wheel rotation, if one looses pressure it rotates faser and the system light up a warning. But if all the tyres lost the exact same amount of pressure over a long period you could be running dangerously low pressures and get no warning since the rotational speeds would be identical. Thus IMHO its stupid not to bend down once (4 times in truth) at least every 4 weeks and check them manually. And while you are down there check for damage. 5 minutes spend could save hours by the road side, or even worse.

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - elekie&a/c doctor

I doubt if most people would know how to open the bonnet.They struggle with the fuel filler cap.

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - RickyBoy

...only retired folk are significantly 'time-rich' to do those checks these days...

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - daveyjp

Some people believe in preventative maintenance, others don't.

Those that don't keep the AA/RAC etc in business.

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - RobJP

...only retired folk are significantly 'time-rich' to do those checks these days...

I must be doing something wrong then.

Work 40 hours per week (though minimal commute), can do checks on the 3 cars we own, maintain our tractor and machinery, AND have 120 acres of farm, with 300 sheep (due to start lambing in January). That, and I run 20-30 miles a week, do pest control and game shooting, and a bit of target rifle and clay shooting to keep my eye in.

I'd be bored senseless if I was retired !

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - jc2

...only retired folk are significantly 'time-rich' to do those checks these days...

Never been so busy- I retired(15 years ago) and every retired person I talk to agrees.

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - Cluedo
I would love to know all these things that people do now that means they have no time for important stuff such as this. You hear it when people also say they don't have time to cook a proper family meal or spend time with people they love - a bit off message but you know what I mean.
What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - RT

In my residential area and even at petrol stations I hardly EVER now see

1) Oil being checked with dipstick etc

2) Coolant/windscreen water being topped up

3) Tyre pressures being checked

4) Car being washed.

5) I was going to add that it is also very rare to see a car bonnet UP!

Most cars I see are fairly new, some luxury, many 4x4's all with, I suspect, long service intervals. Do people not bother any more with these basic essentials ?

1) Increasing number of cars have no engine dipstick, relying totally on an electronic sensor

2) My windscreen washers are topped up weekly, as well as checking coolant and power steering fluid levels - brake fluid reservoir isn't accessible on my car.

3) TPMS tells me every time i start up what the cold pressures are

4) I have a man to do that - on the grounds of my ill health.

5) See 2)

I have an expensive SUV with service intervals of 20,000 miles / 2 years same as my son's worthless ageing Vectra - but both get interim oil changes at half that.

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - Falkirk Bairn

My Indie sees at least 2 newish cars with siezed engines per year - no oil in the sump!

Lots of bangers with knackered engines but they have oil in them.

He does not supply engines, only fits them when the customer sources it.

Nearby there is a company that does rebuild engines (inc the odd aero engine) but he is quite expensive for a re-worked engine.

Lorries, tractors, JCBs etc are his main jobs.

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - RickyBoy

...good for you RobJP. You sound like my kind of guy...

...anyway, I can only comment on what I see. Neighbour to the left is something big in Network Rail, neighbour to the right is something not quite so big @ PCW!

I've yet to see either of them with the bonnet up or a bucket & sponge in hand, and no, they don't run company motors!...

Best,
RB

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - SteVee

I do check fluids etc & tyres on both our cars - but the main reason I lift the bonnet is to vacuum (both cars only ever need washer fluid). if I don't then mice build a home (the ABS unit has a nice shelf). I've had them chew through the feed to the rear washer, fortunately nothing more severe than that.

I also check all the lights on the cars.

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - gordonbennet

Where we live there's more privately owned than company cars, we've been here around 14 years and apart from my own cars i've never seen anyone do a single thing to their own cars, apart from George next door who washes his own.

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - RickyBoy

...good for George. he sounds just like my...

...but, yes, stuff like that fits in much more easily when you're retired?! Throw a bucket of water over it @ 09:30; coffee and a couple of Swedish crispbreads @ 10:00; buff it up/polish it down @ 10:30; check/respond to emails @ 11:00; start putting cycling-kit on/get bike ready @ 11:30; out for a decent spin @ midday; make a light lunch on return @ 14:00; check/respond to emails @ 14:30; take a peek at HJs site to see if there've been any responses to the morning's slightly provocative post; put kettle on for an afternoon cuppa @...

:–)

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - Galaxy

I always used to carry out the above mentioned checks weekly. However, with my current car, there would never be anything to do!

I've gone to monthly checks, now, but there's still almost nothing to be done except to top-up the screen wash reservoir. I haven't put oil into an engine between services for as long as can remember, and certainly never with my current car.

I've pumped the tyres up about once in six months, just a few PSI down, that's all. But then I tend to run a couple of PSI above recommended, anyway, so that's clearly taken care of.

Back in the days when I used to run things like Mark 1 Cortinas, if you didn't check and replenish the oil at least once a week, in a few weeks there wouldn't have been any oil left in the sump. It leaked out absolutely everywhere!

Edited by Galaxy on 23/11/2016 at 16:56

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - barney100

i do a check weekly on mine. Fluids and tyres, takes nno time.

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - Falkirk Bairn

When my kids lived @ home / first left home 20+ yrs ago - we would get regular requests for the garage key (only 1 key on my carkey ring) - oil, washer fluid, foot pump.....it seemed that I was the only source of the items - garages would not sell it to them. They were not running bangers - new / newish motors that cost more than my car budgets.

1997 one of them said they had an issue- water temp. I switched it on & you could hear "plumbing noises" - needed top up. Why had they not heard the water issues? - stereo ALWAYS on so on start up the cassette drowned out the noise. Radweld & a kettle fixed the 2 yr old car.

It ran another 4 years faultlessly - Vx Astra - ex Hertz that I had bought for Uni commute - 20 mins by car - train/bus was over an hour each way.

This does not happen nowadays - if their car needed Oil I do not stock the specific 0-20 Full Synthetic with added clearance from a specific manufacturer standards. Even the washer bottle needs BMW fluid!....... the footpump still works but they only put air in when the computer says the runflats need topped up.

It used to be a weekly check when I worked - 500 miles a week, check/top up on Sunday, fill tank etc etc.

Now more like 500 month - oil/water /tyres - once a month - habit as car does use oil & the washer bottle top up is half a kettle @ most.

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - Ianmak

I still queue up for the free air thing at the petrol station, check oil etc prob once a month. Maintain where I can, changing oil etc twice a year. Tbh I didn't used to. Commuted by train to London for so long I didn't care about the car.

I have some lads a couple of doors down who are always tinkering with cars, but that's all. I wonder if it depends where you live too!

I have a friend who has hp or similar on a car and he doesn't touch anything under the bonnet, and a mechanic friend advised the same, leave that to the dealership, they don't want you messing round with all that. And another at work is the same, I don't think he even knows where the bonnet catch is. I guess it is down to the age of the car (I've always had 10 year old cars) and the current leasing culture.

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - sandy56

I must be very odd. I have checked under the bonnet of my and my wife's car approx every week, or at least every month, for the last 30 years. I check oil, water, washer fluid, brake levels, power steering fluid, and check on the belts.

Strange to say I have never had an engine failure of any kind and very few actual problems, I also check what car I am buying carefully. I now run a large Peugeot, after being burned by Audis and BMW. The Peugeot is now 7 seven years old and comfortable, fast enough and faultless. I was planning on selling it but only if it starts costing me money, but so far so good.

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - Gibbo_Wirral

Another weekly checker here. I'd rather find something during a cursory glance than when Sod's Law strikes - probably during rush hour in terrible weather.

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - Bolt

I know people who have never checked under the bonnet, and on one car the engine run out of oil 4 or 5 times in about a year, the only way this person knew, was engine would not start.

they still do not check, and get another person to do all the checks as and when they remember it needs it, when you question as to why they dont, answer is, as long as they can jump in car and it runs, thats all they are interested in

seems to be a lot of people about like that?

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - Ethan Edwards

Another weekly checker here. Fluids and air. I do mine at home though as I have a pump and several pencil type gauges. I also own a tread depth gauge.

I prefer to do my own checks then I know it's done right. Plus I hate paying someone else to do something I can easily do for myself.

Plus I'm not retired I do 40 hours a week and my commute is 75miles a day.

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - Steveieb
The Volvo owner in New York whose car has covered three million miles has carried out weekly checks and this is testament to the theory on a car with no electronic monitoring.
What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - Deft

Well it's worth considering how essential these basics really are nowadays. They seem totally reasonable and although I do most of them on a regular basis - are they really correlated with likelihood of breakdown / trouble? Note I am a relatively young motorist so haven't got experience of how bad cars used to be! In seven years of "modern" car ownership (two cars in the family) I've never needed to top up oil between annual services.

From the regular questions on the main HJ site, most seem to be fundamental engine or electrical issues - not something these things are going to help with?

Likewise the top 10 AA car breakdown call outs at www.theaa.com/breakdown-cover/advice/top-ten-break...s don't seem particularly related to essential maintenance.

I'm always conscious of my tyres more than anything, but ultimately that didn't really help when I hit a massive pothole in the dark / rain and knackered the rim on my wife's Golf!

I like the idea of being more practically involved with my cars, but is it actually needed nowadays? Is there much a casual user is going to do between services? You can call conspiracy of manufacturers / dealers to stop average Joe tinkering, or it's just the way the technology has evolved. Maybe people never really wanted to do car maintenance, but it was unavoidable in the good old days.

As an analogy, I'm relatively comfortable with building and repairing desktop PCs, but there isn't really much call for it anymore.

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - corax

Some engines, including modern units, are prone to using oil by design, and the manufacturers consider it normal. If you were to own one of these and forget the oil checking you could suffer terminal engine failure. Once the oil pressure light comes on it's too late usually.

I'm sure that mechanics are witness to these scenarios all the time, you just don't hear about it.

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - Deft

Agreed - does seem to be sensible to err on the side of caution. However, speaking as a fairly average end user, with a limited comprehension of the internal combustion engine - doesn't this issue speak to bad design? If you have an engine that might need topping up with oil, surely you want to alert the end user way before its too late and a dashboard light comes on / you are close to catastrophic failure?

I work in a field related to medical device design - and the ethos is usability, robustness and ideally "designing out the end-user", to reduce or ideally eliminate likely errors. It's like relying on people to understand the implications of short runs for diesel engines, DPF etc. Never trust people!

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - RT

Some engines, including modern units, are prone to using oil by design, and the manufacturers consider it normal. If you were to own one of these and forget the oil checking you could suffer terminal engine failure. Once the oil pressure light comes on it's too late usually.

I'm sure that mechanics are witness to these scenarios all the time, you just don't hear about it.

Oil pressure warning lights are set at such a low pressure on road cars to avoid false warnings on corners, braking and acceleration - they used to be called "the light telling you your engine has just blown up".

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - Bolt

Some engines, including modern units, are prone to using oil by design, and the manufacturers consider it normal. If you were to own one of these and forget the oil checking you could suffer terminal engine failure. Once the oil pressure light comes on it's too late usually.

I'm sure that mechanics are witness to these scenarios all the time, you just don't hear about it.

On all the cars I worked on with little oil in, not one had the oil light come on, I had a mk3 cortina 1.6 that would run low on oil and the light kept coming on, but never seen one since.

even my sil Fiesta 1.1 kept running out to the point it wouldnt start, but never showed the oil light ever..

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - corax
even my sil Fiesta 1.1 kept running out to the point it wouldnt start, but never showed the oil light ever..

I've only had the oil light come on once, but it was more of a flicker, on my old Montego turbo. There was plenty of oil, but when I took the sump off, there were bits of cotton lint stuck to the gauze filter on the oil pick up, presumably where a previous owner had cleaned the dipstick with an old rag and pushed bits of cotton back in over time.

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - Bromptonaut

I've never needed to top up oil between annual services.

If you're in habit of checking regularly then you'll spot the change when it does start to lose oil. Ran a Citroen Xantia from new in 2000 until 2013.

Never needed topping up until late 2012 when it needed 250ml+ every couple of months. Not burning and no drips on drive. Turned out it was leaking from cam shaft onto timing belt. What didn't congeal on cover was retained in under tray.

Would have cost hundreds to put right, new belt etc, which I'd have paid if it had been only issue. Knacked clutch, 4 or 5 suspension spheres needing replacement and persistent limp mode fault meant it departed my fleet on a scrappies truck in September 2013.

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - Cluedo
I still do my weekly monthly checks even though as people say I can do the checks by looking at the screen in the car. For me it pays to take a look under the bonnet once a week to do the checks so you can also look to make sure nothing is wrong or packed with leaves or minor leaks etc. I tend to do them while filling up.
What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - RT
I still do my weekly monthly checks even though as people say I can do the checks by looking at the screen in the car. For me it pays to take a look under the bonnet once a week to do the checks so you can also look to make sure nothing is wrong or packed with leaves or minor leaks etc. I tend to do them while filling up.

I'm obsessive about getting rid of the leaves regularly - opposite our house is a lovely old oak tree, until autumn that is, and back in the '70s we had an Escort that collected leaves in it's heater plenum chamber - which eventually rusted through as it was a welded-in integral part of the front bulkhead.

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - John F

Probably easier to remember to do them every 1000m rather than weekly/monthly and even then sudden problems can happen soon afterwards, just as you can have a heart attack or stroke soon after a medical check.

Much more important is to keep your eyes, ears and nose open for puddles, new noises and smells. I have prevented a cambelt from being fried by replacing a squealing tension pulley before it seized (Passat - the cambelt was still original at 240,000m when it was sold), and an engine cylinder head from warping by replacing a water pump (small puddles on garage floor from tiny seepage out of side of block from pump bearing that leaked only when cool).

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - corax
I'm obsessive about getting rid of the leaves regularly - opposite our house is a lovely old oak tree, until autumn that is, and back in the '70s we had an Escort that collected leaves in it's heater plenum chamber - which eventually rusted through as it was a welded-in integral part of the front bulkhead.

I used to get a ton of leaves in the scuttle where I parked at work. No way to avoid it as the car park was encircled by mature trees. I'd lift the bonnet and use the company leaf blower - works a treat!

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - focussed

"there were bits of cotton lint stuck to the gauze filter on the oil pick up, presumably where a previous owner had cleaned the dipstick with an old rag"

Yes - i've seen it no end of times on marine engines - including inlet gauze blocked with dog hairs - obviously had a pet sea dog on board!

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - Smileyman

Not weekly but frequently, 40 hour work, 10 hour + 400 miles commute. Refuse to pay to use air pressure check, some places still are free. Washer resevoir does have a warning light but try not to wait for it to illuminate, 172k miles on car, must be doing something right!

What's happened to weekly/monthly quick checks? - FoxyJukebox

Just checked in--these are wonderful replies to my original post---keep 'em coming....BRILLIANT..thank the good Lord there are still sensible people about!