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Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Herrsandwich
I had to let go my old and faithful diesel engined car last year as it didn’t meet the emissions criteria for me to drive it in the middle of Bristol without paying the £9 daily charge. Ever since I have been looking for a replacement which is as economical on the motorway as my old motor. I can’t afford hybrid prices and taller petrol engine models seem to be very thirsty at higher speeds. Diesel Euro 6 cars are currently exempt from the clean air charge so would I be crazy to consider a car with this specification? I would be wanting to keep it for at least four years. Thanks in advance for your views!
Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Adampr

Depends what sort of journeys you do and what your annual mileage is (and, in your case, how often you drive into Bristol)

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Andrew-T

I have no personal experience of any car less than 15 years old, but you are faced with a decision which seems to be determined mainly by the ULEZ charge in Bristol. If you decide on a Euro-6 car it will be [a] fairly new and therefore expensive, [b] potentially expensive to repair electronically, which could well happen if not carefully maintained.or driven suitably for regens to occur correctly. Even tho petrol cars consume more fuel than diesels you have to calculate how much more that might cost you, allowing for the higher price of diesel - which is probably higher in winter when demand for heating fuel rises.

Might an EV or hybrid meet your needs, especially if you can charge at home ?

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Steveieb

According to the Smmt the sales of diesel cars increased by 17% in September compared with 3.7 % for EVs.

So even with the complex emissions gear the fantastic economy of the diesel engine and the ability to refuel in 9 minutes seems to be winning the argument !

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - gordonbennet

Euro 6 Diesels have potential for serious wallet emptying as they age, see how almost every taxi driver and his dog are running Toyota hybrids, they can't all be wrong.

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Adampr

According to the Smmt the sales of diesel cars increased by 17% in September compared with 3.7 % for EVs.

So even with the complex emissions gear the fantastic economy of the diesel engine and the ability to refuel in 9 minutes seems to be winning the argument !

I just increased the number of biscuits I ate in the last hour by 100% by eating a second.

The SMMT seems to think that almost nobody is buying new diesels. I quite like a diesel, as it happens, but also live near Bristol and don't drive far enough to justify one anymore (thank god)

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Andrew-T

<< I quite like a diesel, as it happens, but also live near Bristol and don't drive far enough to justify one anymore >>

According to received wisdom we don't drive anything like far enough to justify our 16-year-old diesel, but we still do because it never puts a foot wrong and costs a lot less to keep than to change it. When it starts to misbehave we shall rethink.

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - madf

According to the Smmt the sales of diesel cars increased by 17% in September compared with 3.7 % for EVs.

So even with the complex emissions gear the fantastic economy of the diesel engine and the ability to refuel in 9 minutes seems to be winning the argument !

Wrong! Year on Year diesel registrations fell, BEV rose..

see www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrations/

Are you quoting the Daily Faiil?

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Heidfirst

don't know about Bristol's but Glasgow's allows Euro 4 petrol cars.

You also did not give any idea as to the size of your old vehicle/that you require.

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Herrsandwich
Our old diesel was a Toyota Verso. Amazing car, loads of space and sipped fuel on the motorway.
Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Engineer Andy
Our old diesel was a Toyota Verso. Amazing car, loads of space and sipped fuel on the motorway.

Bear in mind that buying a new or nearly new car - of any type - will be vastly more expensive than a reliable, sympathetically-owned / driven, well-maintained 5-7yo petrol-engined car (including Toyota-style hybrids) petrol-engined car.

As such, the amount you'll save on fuel costs by buying either a modern (3yo and under) diesel, EV or to some extent, petrol / hybrid petrol will likely be significantly outweighed over its ownership by the extra capital cost of buying the car.

Additionally, many of the latest generations of cars employ greater and greater complexity for both emissions regulation and safety, which in my view are on the very high side of diminishing returns for money spent on them and also can often be the source of high future costs to the end user in the form of poor reliability, parts longevity and higher parts replacement cost.

This is why many of us do not recommend buying a modern (turbo) diesel engined car, especially second hand (at least with buying new, you know that no-one else has driven it beforehand in the wrong manner for its longevity, e.g. regular short trips from cold), because they are incredibly complex and prone to expensive reliability issues if not driven correctly / as intended by the designers (which is rarely communicated to buyers by those selling them).

One of the other boons for going the petrol engined route is that, at least for next (my guess) 5-7 years is that all the LEZ / ULEZ schemes will allow petrol cars in FOC from EU4 rated and above, which means cars roughly from the early 2000s onwards, whereas for diesels its from around 2015/16 for EU6.

Whilst I'm not advocating you go out and buy a near 20yo car (I own a 2005MY Mazda3 1.6 petrol and have done from new, with little issues until recently), there are still many reasonably priced (for the times) EU5 and EU6 petrol engined cars available that are still in their prime, highly reliable and quite fuel efficient, as long as you stay away from certain ones, such as the 'belt-in-oil turbocharged engines (IMHO Ford ecoBoost, PSA-derived PureTech), certain VAG TSIs (those which hard chain problems), though others (like the 1.0TSI and especially later, belt-driven 1.4TSI) are very good indeed.

Plus, if you want an auto, I'd personally stay away from most of the dual clutch ones (BMW and KIA/Hyundai are probably fine) and all automated single clutch varieties and Jatco gearboxes (including dual clutch and CVTs as well as manuals).

Fortunately, there are still a good number of cars with reliable engines and either CVT and traditional toque converter (TC) ones that are reliable, decent to drive and from not that bad to quite good on the fuel efficiency front.

Best of luck.

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - mcb100
‘ According to the Smmt the sales of diesel cars increased by 17% in September compared with 3.7 % for EVs.’

Only retail sales of diesels. The overall trend has been downwards for a while now - they’re down 12% YTD 2024 vs YTD 2023.
Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - SLO76
I’d leave well alone. Modern Euro 6 diesels are complex and costly to repair when that emissions control equipment goes wrong, and go wrong it will. Every penny you’d save on fuel will go out the door in additional repair costs in most cases. Ask one of our mechanics (I work for a local bus and coach firm) to answer this question and they’d tell you not to touch any Euro 6 diesel, we have no end of bother with emissions control issues on our newer vehicles.


If I was pushed to recommend one then I’d point to the Honda CRV 1.6 DTEC 2wd, which is tall, vast inside and will do over 50mpg easily enough. This is the only Euro 6 diesel I can think of that has a decent reliability record at sub £12k money. Many are neglected and abused workhorses though.


How many miles are you doing in a year?

Edited by SLO76 on 06/10/2024 at 19:09

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Miniman777

All depends of your area and style of driving.

Mainly short runs/towns, 10 mins below 40mph, then no, forget it. But if your daily run is 30+mins fast roads/dual carriageways where you can do 60-70 (or that or longer once a week), then an Euro 6 diesel may be OK.

I've had a Nissan Juke and a Qashqai as lease cars with the 1.5dci Renault engine. It's a very good engine, 50mpg and because my journeys were long and fast, never had any emissions problems. Just looked at the MoT history for the Juke and in 6 tests its had one advisory for tyres, so the new owner has not undertaken short trips.

Currently have a BMW 3.0d, straight six, but use it on long runs, wife's petrol Mini for local stuff. I am considering replacing it with another 3.0 diesel as the big petrol SUVs I really drink petrol. So diesel isn't dead yet.

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - De Sisti

All depends of your area and style of driving.

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Currently have a BMW 3.0d, straight six, but use it on long runs, wife's petrol Mini for local stuff. I am considering replacing it with another 3.0 diesel as the big petrol SUVs I really drink petrol. So diesel isn't dead yet.

I drive a 22 year-old BMW 320d Touring. Kept in the family with fsh (I've owned it for 12 years). Mainly used on short journeys, but capable of long-haul trips to France. Wouldn't dare driving it through London (or Bristol) though.

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Herrsandwich
Thanks everyone for your replies. At the heart of it is that I dislike newer cars, too complex, too expensive. Will probably get a petrol manual but will really miss the relaxed power that the diesel gave me in spades.
Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Big John
Thanks everyone for your replies. At the heart of it is that I dislike newer cars, too complex, too expensive. Will probably get a petrol manual but will really miss the relaxed power that the diesel gave me in spades.

I went from a 1.9pd diesel mk I Superb to a 1.4 tsi petrol mk II Superb a few years ago. Yes the diesel had a little bit more torque at low revs but you know what I was surprised with the small turbo direct injection engine in the the large Superb it started pulling a bit from 1500rpm then picking up a lot from 2000rpm tugging the bus along very well indeed. Then if you ventured north of 3000rpm (90 mph in 6th!) it really picked its skirts up - more so than the diesel.

It also amazed re fuel economy, overall average circa 46mpg (50mpg+ possible on a speed limit run on a motorway) not quite the 50mpg of the diesel Superb that did about 50mpg overall, but not so far off. The later EA211.4tsi is even better and fitted to many VAG cars eg mkIII Octavia - I'd recommend trying one out.

Edited by Big John on 06/10/2024 at 23:41

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Herrsandwich
Thanks, that is very useful to know.
Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Xileno

I was also going to recommend a small turbo petrol and the VW unit seems to be one of the best, if not the best. Several forum members rate them highly and reliability seems fine.

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - badbusdriver
Thanks, that is very useful to know.

What would be useful to know is what your budget is. Without that and various other bits of info (already asked) such as annual miles, typical journey type, what size/type of car you want/need, it is difficult to make informed suggestions.

Edited by badbusdriver on 07/10/2024 at 09:01

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Andrew-T

<< It also amazed re fuel economy, overall average circa 46mpg (50mpg+ possible on a speed limit run on a motorway) not quite the 50mpg of the diesel Superb that did about 50mpg overall, but not so far off. >>

Depends how fast you drive of course, but I don't find 50mpg very impressive for a diesel. My Pug 207 1.6 always shows 65-67 for a round trip of 150 miles or so on mixed M'way and A roads.

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - edlithgow

<< It also amazed re fuel economy, overall average circa 46mpg (50mpg+ possible on a speed limit run on a motorway) not quite the 50mpg of the diesel Superb that did about 50mpg overall, but not so far off. >>

Depends how fast you drive of course, but I don't find 50mpg very impressive for a diesel. My Pug 207 1.6 always shows 65-67 for a round trip of 150 miles or so on mixed M'way and A roads.

Above attempts to compare "overall" fuel consumption with that on a long M'way/A road run. Not really surprising that the latter is much better.

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Big John

Depends how fast you drive of course, but I don't find 50mpg very impressive for a diesel. My Pug 207 1.6 always shows 65-67 for a round trip of 150 miles or so on mixed M'way and A roads.

The Superb is a very large/heavy car and with the 1.9pd diesel it seemed to do 50mpg no matter how you drove it. The 50mpg was tank to tank measured as what was shown on the on board computer was an act of fiction. Must have been my lead footed driving though as a work colleague bought it off me and he achieved mid 50's mpg getting 800 miles out of a tank of diesel.

The 1,4tsi is more driving style / load sensitive although it's on board computer was surprisingly accurate. When driving from Yorkshire to Cheltenham whilst the long roadworks were on the M5 it sometimes got about 53mpg. High speed runs (130kph), fully laden and up and down steep hills in France seemed to drop mpg to low 40's. Overall when measured tank to tank using Spritmonitor it averaged 46.7mpg including all journey types inc long commute with A roads/ bad traffic - I got bored of inputting figures after a while though.

The important thing for the Original Poster is the low cc tsi drives well if only a little less low down torque(thanks to the turbo) but with the addition of that extra zap higher up the rev range if you need it. With a six speed box in top it's fairly low revving/relaxing on the motorway - about 2400rpm @ 70mph with plenty of pull at that speed if you needed it despite it being a tall overdrive. As mentioned above we're not sure of budget etc but the tsi appeared in lots of cars. The ones to avoid are the earlier 8 valve EA111 1.2tsi (pre circa 2015) and the twin charger (supercharger& turbo) 16v 1.4tsi as per Fabia vrs etc.

Edited by Big John on 07/10/2024 at 13:02

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - corax

I like driving other people's diesels, I don't like owning them.

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - skidpan

went from a 1.9pd diesel mk I Superb to a 1.4 tsi petrol mk II Superb a few years ago. Yes the diesel had a little bit more torque at low revs but you know what I was surprised with the small turbo direct injection engine in the the large Superb it started pulling a bit from 1500rpm then picking up a lot from 2000rpm tugging the bus along very well indeed. Then if you ventured north of 3000rpm (90 mph in 6th!) it really picked its skirts up - more so than the diesel.

It also amazed re fuel economy, overall average circa 46mpg (50mpg+ possible on a speed limit run on a motorway) not quite the 50mpg of the diesel Superb that did about 50mpg overall, but not so far off. The later EA211.4tsi is even better and fitted to many VAG cars eg mkIII Octavia - I'd recommend trying one out.

We had a Mk3 Superb 1.4TSi 150 PS for 3 1/2 years. Over that time in mixed use it averaged 45.08 mpg which was calculated and corrected for the small error in the odometer reading. As is normal the dash computer displays a higher mpg figure. On a 1200 mile road trip to Scotland (we do it twice a year) it would average closer to 52 mpg for the week. Compared to the last diesel car we had (a Kia ceed 1.6 CRDi - which had a lot less power, was smaller and weighed less) the Kia averaged 51.4 mpg (corrected for odometer error again) for the 5 years we owned it and on a Scottish trip would average about 54 mpg for the week. Take the extra cost of diesel into account and those differences get closer.

The 1.4 TSi engine is a much better drive than any diesel we have owned (and that includes a 2 litre BMW). No turbo lag and the ability to rev to 6000 when needed with no drop off in power are features any driver would spot after a diesel.

But its not just the Superb we have owned with a 1.4TSi engine, we also had a Mk3 Leon with the 140 PS version of the same belt drive engine. The overall average for the 3 1/2 years we had it was virtually identical to the bigger Superb but on a Scottish trip the Superb was actually better. We put this down to the more aerodynamic shape of the Superb but the ACT (cylinder cutoff) on the Superb engine may also have been a factor especially on motorways.

In our household we owned 6 turbo diesels over a 20 year period, most of that time we had 2 on the drive. Never had an issue with any. We will not be buying another, the TSI is so much better with none of the risks with modern diesels.

For the record we had a Golf TDi 90 PS which at the time we thought was a great car. No dash computer but pen and paper suggested about 48 mpg overall and high 50's on the Scottish trip. It was several years after selling it that I spotted the distance from home to the lodge was about 425 miles in a C-MAX, in the Golf it was about 450 miles. We had not moved, the lodge had not moved and the route we took was the same (with a bit more dual carriageway in places). Checked it on the Garmin and that also said about 425 miles thus the Golf odometer was over reading by about 6%. Factor that into the calculated mpg figures and the fabled mpg of the early TDi was not as good locally as the Ceed and only a little better on a long trip. If the diesel Superb had the same error it could be even closer.

For the record the current Superb records about 425 miles for the trip (with a bit more dual carriageway).

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - skidpan

The ones to avoid are the earlier 8 valve EA111 1.2tsi (pre circa 2015)

Having owned the 1.4 Leon for a couple of years we tested a Polo in early 2015 with the 1.2 TSi 90 PS thinking it would be the similar (less power but a lighter car). Total pile of r******, no go at all.

3 years later tried a Fabia with the 1.0 TSi in both 95 and 110 PS versions. Both were great, bought a 110 PS simply because the extra £600 got you not only an extra 15 PS but about 26 torques, a 6 speed gearbox and better brakes, well worth the extra.

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Big John

, in the Golf it was about 450 miles. We had not moved, the lodge had not moved and the route we took was the same (with a bit more dual carriageway in places). Checked it on the Garmin and that also said about 425 miles thus the Golf odometer was over reading by about 6%.

Interesting. I'll need to check the odometer on my new Swace, The speedo over reads by a few mph. Slightly more annoying as it has the latest speed "notification" gubbins.

Saying that I'm not moaning as that gubbins has saved my bacon once already when on holiday. It beeped at me and I thought "er what" so I slowed down quickly and just around the corner was a speed van - phew!! I drove back down the same road again another day and one speed limit sign was grown over and on the other side of the road it was partially covered. I think the system uses a combination of gps and camera technology. You get a quiet bip as a limit changes - then a few beeps if you are then over the limit although it quickly shuts up.

Edited by Big John on 08/10/2024 at 00:17

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Andrew-T

<< I'll need to check the odometer on my new Swace, The speedo over reads by a few mph. >>

I used to check my cars against the km. markers on M'ways - tho they could move about a bit if work had been done on the verges.

I had the impression, while driving my series of 205s, all with mechanical odometers, that they over-read by about 4%. When things became digital instead of analogue distances seemed to be much more accurate. But makers had to allow for varying sizes of tyres being fitted to the same models.

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Ian_SW

Possibly a silly question, but in the original post the OP said they got rid of their old car last year and are still looking for a replacement. What have you been doing in the meantime?

If you've managed without a car at all (or possibly a second car) for nearly a year, do you even need your own car at all? If you only need to drive a few times a month, getting a taxi or hire car for those occasions may be the cheapest option.

Similarly, there's little point in paying thousands of pounds buying a car to avoid paying a few pounds occasionslly to drive in Bristol city centre. The reason why the London ULEZ was so unpopular was because people would have to pay every time they left their house. Most of the other low emission zones only cover very small areas of a city centre, which can be fairly easily avoided most of the time if you have an older car by using the bus or park&ride and taking a different route when crossing town.

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Ethan Edwards

Everyone has focused on reliability, economy etc Has no one considered the political risks? Our leaders have an enormous thorn up their collective butt about Diesel.

Unless you live in a more sane country then yes, I think buying any diesel right now is a gutsy decision. Personally I wouldn't.

Then again I bought an EV three years ago, so maybe my future predictor isn't up to much either.

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - focussed

Compared to petrol and diesel passenger car percentages of vehicles on the road, EV's haven't made much of an impression in the UK.

2023 figures for UK show only 1.3 % of vehicles in use are BEV's.

58.5% are petrol & 36.1% are diesel

Compared to europe the highest %age of BEV's is 16.2% in Norway but there are still 41.4% of diesel cars in use there.

The lowest is Greece with 0.0% BEV 90.1% petrol and only 8.6% diesel.

The highest diesel usage figure is 67.8% for Lithuania and only 0.3% BEV

Here in France it's 40.1% petrol 55.2 % diesel and 1.0% BEV + a huge amount of charging stations but very few being used.

www.acea.auto/files/ACEA-report-vehicles-in-use-eu...f

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - badbusdriver

Compared to petrol and diesel passenger car percentages of vehicles on the road, EV's haven't made much of an impression in the UK.

2023 figures for UK show only 1.3 % of vehicles in use are BEV's.

58.5% are petrol & 36.1% are diesel

Compared to europe the highest %age of BEV's is 16.2% in Norway but there are still 41.4% of diesel cars in use there.

The lowest is Greece with 0.0% BEV 90.1% petrol and only 8.6% diesel.

The highest diesel usage figure is 67.8% for Lithuania and only 0.3% BEV

Here in France it's 40.1% petrol 55.2 % diesel and 1.0% BEV + a huge amount of charging stations but very few being used.

www.acea.auto/files/ACEA-report-vehicles-in-use-eu...f

If you look at all cars of all ages for sale on Autotrader, electric accounts for 4.43%, diesel accounts for 28.27%

But that is neither here nor there. The oldest production EV on Autotrader is a 2011 Nissan Leaf, whereas the oldest diesel car, a Land Rover is 52 years older (and probably more reliable than a new one!).

If comparing diesel and EV, looking at year on year percentages over the last (not quite) 5 years is much more telling.

2019, EV = 0.85%, diesel = 35.15%

2020, EV = 4.16%, diesel = 23.53%

2021, EV = 5.93%, diesel = 13.8%

2022, EV = 7.31%, diesel = 10.25%

2023, EV = 11.78%, diesel = 11.84%

2024, EV = 14.4%, diesel = 11%

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Ethan Edwards

2023 figures for UK show only 1.3 % of vehicles in use are BEV's.

Nope the document you link to, says 2021 on the top of the actual page where your 1.3% figure comes from. Google says 2023 BEV is 3% and PHEV/ BEV is a combined 7% of total. Which is a huge jump in a short time. That's percentage of total, percentage of new sales ( year on year) is far higher something like 14% from memory. If you drive an EV you cannot but help seeing them, they're everywhere !

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - focussed

I have the www.acea.auto/files/ACEA-report-vehicles-in-use-eu...f

document open on one tab with HJ open next to it and it plainly says 1.3% BEV but the table is titled 2023 in the URL but at the top right as you say in tiny letters it's 2021.

So they got their URL's mixed up - sorry about that, even page one the title page says 2023 in large letters.

But lets face it - even with BEV's at 3% they are still the 8 track stereo of the car market.

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - badbusdriver

But lets face it - even with BEV's at 3% they are still the 8 track stereo of the car market.

Well it depends on how your mind works I suppose. If that is the conclusion you draw from your link, fair enough.

Consider this though, on a rainy day i put a metal bucket outside at 8am and then a plastic one out at 4pm. At 6pm i compare them and declare that the metal bucket having collected more rain is "proof" of it being the better bucket, and the plastic bucket is the minidisc of the bucket market by comparison.

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Ethan Edwards

First, they will ignore you, then they will laugh at you, then they will fight you, then you will win.” - Mahatma Gandhi

You are at stage 2. 3% of an overall total is significant. Theres a trend and its growing. But thats just the UK , Norway is in 2023 89.86%.

So carry on laughing...for now.

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - gordonbennet

I don't think anyone's laughing, its just that battery power doesn't appeal to a hell of a lot of motorists in the first place, and many are not convinced of the financial benefits either especially those who buy their own cars from their net incomes with no access to tax breaks nor those who rely solely on public charging.

Personally i've no axe to grind either way, for those who can take advantage of present tax incentives i don't blame you one bit doing so, i did the same for years running LPG which has now come to a crashing halt following Morrisons suddenly raisng the price of lpg to a ludicrous £1.30 a litre, which is odd when the Shell garage 25 miles away is undoubtably still making a profit at 82p, maybe they wish to drop LPG and making it too expensive will provide the lack of sales excuses needed.

Sooner or later the costs of ownership and running any and all power trains will change and not for the better, all one can do is make the best of what suits you at the time.

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Big John

i did the same for years running LPG which has now come to a crashing halt following Morrisons suddenly raisng the price of lpg to a ludicrous £1.30 a litre, which is odd when the Shell garage 25 miles away is undoubtably still making a profit at 82p, maybe they wish to drop LPG and making it too expensive will provide the lack of sales excuses needed.

Morrisons fuel stations as of a few months ago are now owned and run by the Motor Fuel Group. Everything changed including the staff( a friend of mine was made redundant) , so I'm guessing they are probably not wanting to sell LPG anymore or they know there is limited availability so can charge what they want!

In our area (East Yorkshire) LPG filling stations are becoming rare as hens teeth.

Edited by Big John on 09/10/2024 at 21:20

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - expat

In our area (East Yorkshire) LPG filling stations are becoming rare as hens teeth.

The same thing is happening in Australia. There are far fewer LPG cars on the road now and hardly any garages selling it. It has got to the stage where the garage storage tanks are no longer made in Australia and have to be imported from Argentina!

I have a car with dual fuel so I can run it on petrol if need be. I have had 18 years running it on gas and done about 200,000km in that time so it doesn't owe me anything.

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - gordonbennet

Morrisons fuel stations as of a few months ago are now owned and run by the Motor Fuel Group. Everything changed including the staff( a friend of mine was made redundant) , so I'm guessing they are probably not wanting to sell LPG anymore or they know there is limited availability so can charge what they want!

In our area (East Yorkshire) LPG filling stations are becoming rare as hens teeth.

I knew something had gone on, all the old staff vanished a few months ago which was a shame as i'd got to know them well over the years and always had a pleasant exchange, i don't use the main Morrisons shop where the LPG site is as its near my work not my home so don't know if they've been redeployed...hope your friend finds a decent job.

The Shell garage still selling at 82ppl in M'Keynes does a busy trade in LPG, hope for those who can benefit they continue to sell it, we're meeting some family at MK hopefully at weekend so will grab a tankful all being well.

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Falkirk Bairn

Morrisons was bought out by a US backed Group - lots of borrowed money - Interest Rates rose, Market share of Morrisons fell and is still falling.

Sold off petrol stations, sold off property and rented it back to get cash in their bank - they are still losing market share.

Asda are in the same boat - buy-out from Walmart, Big Bucks borrowed, high interest payments, falling market share. Spent £800m on new computer systems to get away from Walmart IT which cost them a lot.

Not the best results from the new IT - Stock problems, Payroll mix ups, suppliers not paid on time.

Madness to buy diesel-engined car? - Big John

.hope your friend finds a decent job.

He effectively has early retired. Fortunately this job was just a fill in when he semi retired a few years ago.

Edited by Big John on 10/10/2024 at 19:53