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Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - veloceman
Bought my wife (now ex but we still get along) a brand new Seat Ibiza 1.4 TOCA in December ‘13. (63 plate) for £9,300. Not a pre reg, she is first owner. Always been dealer serviced and with their fixed price policy very reasonable. (More on that later).

Just been offered £4,775 through WBAC and after looking on Auto trader many are retraining for £6k+.
The car has been faultless baring a sticking handbrake which I believe is a polo/Ibiza issue.

Just over £900 a year depreciation is pretty good in my eyes.

However Service, Cambelt and two new tyres means the Ibiza will be around for a bit yet.
Took to my local indie (around £700 for all this).

Dealer servicing is a joke. It may be cheap but I think they spend more time cleaning and hoovering it than anything else.
My indie said the rear brakes unlikely to have been looked at since new, they were virtually seized.
Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - SLO76
I enjoy a cheap car challenge. The only one I kept for any length of time was the one that started me off when I got sick of losing money on newer motors. I bought an immaculate full history low mileage 99-V Toyota Avensis 1.8 SE from my parents neighbour for £1250, kept it 3yrs then sold it for £850 to a lady who’s went on to buy several cars off me along with other members of her family.

I lost £400 in three years so £133.33 a year depreciation and the only non-service item I replaced was an ignition switch for £50 which pulls the cost up to £150 a year. It managed 40mpg easy enough, had loads of space and never caused any grief. The next owner had it a further 4yrs before it was scrapped thanks to an incompetent wannabe mechanic incorrectly diagnosing a head gasket failure.

Next down was a 99-T Mazda MX-5 1.8 I paid £1475 for, kept 2yrs and spent around £350 on repairs (window regulators and two brake callipers) then sold for £1600 to a chap who still has it. So that’s £225 loss in two years or £112.50 a year including repairs.

Running a car can be done on a shoestring but anything under £1,000 a year in depreciation is good.

Edited by SLO76 on 18/12/2018 at 08:38

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - lucklesspedestrian
I enjoy a cheap car challenge. The only one I kept for any length of time was the one that started me off when I got sick of losing money on newer motors. I bought an immaculate full history low mileage 99-V Toyota Avensis 1.8 SE from my parents neighbour for £1250, kept it 3yrs then sold it for £850 to a lady who’s went on to buy several cars off me along with other members of her family. I lost £400 in three years so £133.33 a year depreciation and the only non-service item I replaced was an ignition switch for £50 which pulls the cost up to £150 a year. It managed 40mpg easy enough, had loads of space and never caused any grief. The next owner had it a further 4yrs before it was scrapped thanks to an incompetent wannabe mechanic incorrectly diagnosing a head gasket failure. Next down was a 99-T Mazda MX-5 1.8 I paid £1475 for, kept 2yrs and spent around £350 on repairs (window regulators and two brake callipers) then sold for £1600 to a chap who still has it. So that’s £225 loss in two years or £112.50 a year including repairs. Running a car can be done on a shoestring but anything under £1,000 a year in depreciation is good.

That's weirdly similar to my experience. Bought my In-Laws next door neighbour's '97 Camry 2.2 for £600, ran it for 2 years at an average of about 32mpg with nothing other than a CV joint gaiter needing done then sold it within 24h on eBay for £400. I used it in my work in the NHS and got a lump sum of approx £60pcm plus about 25p per mile for the privilege over the 2 years I had it. I will never have such cheap and hassle free motoring again...happy days!

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - John F

Bought my wife (not ex and we still get along) a just over 3yrs old Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec auto estate in March 2004, 29,000miles, for £7000. Never been 'serviced' except by myself and the MoT.

Apart from a rear wheel bearing, faultless during our first ten years and 70,000 miles of ownership (over 100,000m total). Needed new coil pack and fuel pump a couple of years ago.

Dealer servicing is indeed a licence to print money - and runs the risk of damage from cack-handed apprentices.

Depreciation - <£500 a year - and decreasing.

Thanks to the MoT, there are no such things as old 'bangers' these days.

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - carl233

1997 Mondeo purchased Aug 2003 for £950 with 73k on the clock still using today with 249k should reach 250k next week. Michelin Energy tyres lasting around 65k on the rears and front anywhere between 30 and 50k. Oil changes every 5k have helped keep it sweet with gearbox oil changes every 100k. Bulk buy 5w30 oil is so cheap it is worth changing often in my opinion. Largest failure was the fuel pump plus various electrical issues. The car in terms of parts value is still likely at least £500. Have also filled the sills and underbody with wax and there is next to zero corrosion.

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - madf

Our 2003 yaris D4D bought in 2005 for £7,000

Now worth £500 (say).

Depreciation :£500pa

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - corax

1997 Mondeo purchased Aug 2003 for £950 with 73k on the clock still using today with 249k should reach 250k next week.

My uncle had that model. Absolute pleasure to travel in. Quiet, smooth and comfortable.

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - SLO76

1997 Mondeo purchased Aug 2003 for £950 with 73k on the clock still using today with 249k should reach 250k next week.

My uncle had that model. Absolute pleasure to travel in. Quiet, smooth and comfortable.

A brilliant family car, I absolutely loved these. Though the pre facelift Mk I was better made than later examples. Rode well but handled the corners like a hot hatch and strong 1.8/2.0 16v petrols gave decent performance if not exactly great economy compared to a Cavalier or Carina E. I was amazed how good these were compared to rivals when I first drove one as a trainee salesman in the 90’s, only the facelift Pug 405 and the Nissan Primera came close. I took one on the Rex to Nice banger rally a few years back. A 65,000 mile 2000 V plate 1.8 LX with loads of history cost me £300, we tarted it up to look like the General Lee, fixed the aircon for nowt thanks to a kindly local garage and it took the Alpine passes and twisting cliff top roads around Nice in its stride. I flogged it to another team who were heading to Venice for £300 when we came back. I was offered an almost as new near perfect 00 V 1.8 TD LX last year with less than 25,000 miles that had been stored for a decade then properly serviced and returned to the road but I just couldn’t reach an agreement with the seller. Even after agreeing a price he changed his mind and wanted more so I had to walk. Last I heard it say still sat in his garage increasing in rarity.

Edited by SLO76 on 18/12/2018 at 12:03

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - Ian_SW

I can't match others for cheap driving yet, though my 61 plate Octavia just passed it's MOT with no advisories at 97k miles so hopefully I'll get plenty more value out of it yet.

What did surprise me though, when wasting time waiting for the MOT to be done was how expensive 5+ year old cars have become. Most up for sale in the used dealers near the garage where I was getting the MOT done were well above £5k for fairly ordinary cars. The gap between what they are advertised for and what you can pick up a 'nearly new' equivalent for seems to have closed dramatically.

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - Andrew-T

What did surprise me though, when wasting time waiting for the MOT to be done was how expensive 5+ year old cars have become. Most up for sale in the used dealers near the garage where I was getting the MOT done were well above £5k for fairly ordinary cars. The gap between what they are advertised for and what you can pick up a 'nearly new' equivalent for seems to have closed dramatically.

All that means is that demand matches supply or thereabouts. The price of a car approaches zero when everyone who still wants one has got one. After that, some get written off from time to time so demand never stops completely.

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - joegrundy

Bought mine coming up for 6 years ago at 9 years old, 132k miles, for £2700. Broke all the rules, inspected it in a blizzard miles from home (all I could check were that all 4 doors were present), no service history, etc.

Thanks, I think, to my trusted indy, it's still going well at 182k. Other than brake pads, tyres, etc., it's had a new water pump and steering pump (neither expensive) oh, and a new coil spring (damn speed bumps).

Now assessed by WBAC etc. as officially worthless, but it's a pleasure to drive, returns about 50 mpg, and is a nicer place to sit than most living-rooms I've been in. The radio sounds better, too, and the heating is efficient. When the time comes, I may put her up on blocks and use her as a lounge extension.

I know that I'm getting old and grumpy, but when I see a car that costs five figures described as 'cheap' I really do feel that I'm living in a different world. YMMV, of course.

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - carl233

What did surprise me though, when wasting time waiting for the MOT to be done was how expensive 5+ year old cars have become.

You are quite right and this fits in with my observations. Do not want to go off on a wild rant although I travel long haul quite often and in all other parts of the world I have been cars have been much cheaper than the UK certainly new and nearly new as well as used to some degree. In GCC tax free countries in some examples 50% cheaper new when doing currency conversations and those countries typically have higher average salaries than the UK.

I think it tells an interesting picture when people often do not consider the purchase price and only want to know how much it costs per month to have access to the latest and greatest vehicles.

Cars in the UK are way way overpriced in my opinion, new and nearly new and of late even mid life vehicles. When I finally replace the 21 year old Ford it will be for a vehicle of around 10 years old or perhaps even a little older and will be expecting it to last another 10 years and cover another 150k miles before expecting to replace.

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - craig-pd130

1997 Mondeo purchased Aug 2003 for £950 with 73k on the clock still using today with 249k should reach 250k next week. Michelin Energy tyres lasting around 65k on the rears and front anywhere between 30 and 50k. Oil changes every 5k have helped keep it sweet with gearbox oil changes every 100k. Bulk buy 5w30 oil is so cheap it is worth changing often in my opinion. Largest failure was the fuel pump plus various electrical issues. The car in terms of parts value is still likely at least £500. Have also filled the sills and underbody with wax and there is next to zero corrosion.

If I remember correctly, the Mark 1 Mondeos had the main body structures and main outer panels galvanised, so they're very corrosion-resistant. I believe most were killed by crashes rendering them insurance write-offs.

I had two, both 1.8 petrols, and they were great family cars.

The biggest Achilles heel (of the petrol versions anyway) was clutch replacement, which requires the entire front subframe to be dropped, adding the thick end of a day's labour to an otherwise routine job.

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - retgwte

Missus got a new panda diesel for 6,200 and got 4,000 for it part ex on its 3rd birthday.

Brilliant car and unbeatable depreciation.

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - expat

In 1980 I bought an 18 month old Holden Kingswood for A$2900. Kept it till 2005 and sold it for $2900. Zero depreciation on the car but high depreciation on the dollar. It was still going fine when I sold it but I wanted power steering, automatic and air conditioning. I am getting soft in my old age. I find it trying without air when it gets above 40'C. I got a phone call last year from the current owner saying it was still going strong.

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - John F

In 1972 I bought a wreck (but roadworthy) of a Jaguar XK120 DHC for £350 and sold it in 1981 for £2100 (sadly -I had intended to restore it - but got married and too busy with career, so part payment for TR7). High appreciation of car, high depreciation of pound. But clearly a career option - I might have ended up as rich as Tom Hartley who started out about that time!

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - bazza

I'm constantly amazed at how much people actually fork out on transport in the shape of shiny new cars . best for us has been daughters Panda, bought for £3000 as an 18 month old car and still going now, nearly 10 years later, worth a few hundred probably, so that's about £300 a year depreciation and no big bills. Also our Corolla bought at 8 years old in 2012 for £3000 and worth what? £1000? So again, £300 a year or so. Our 2010 Focus 1.6, paid, £7800 in 2012, now worth maybe £2000 at a guess, again £6000 loss over 7 years is good enough, though it just cost me £250 for service and cambelt. Had a heavier loss with the Octavia estate, lost £5.5 k over 4 years as sold it early due to problems and it seemed to plummet in value.

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - edlithgow

Renault Dodge ex-BT workshop truck, converted to a (rather huge) motorhome, bought for 1800 quid off a dodgy French geezer in Tower Hamletts who distracted me with tales of Dien Ben Phu so I forgot to check reverse.

It reversed fine, but if I'd realised how terrifying it was to do befrore I bought it (I used to hit things. Things like factories) I wouldn't have.

I lived in it (completely illegally, of course) for three years or so, so it saved me about 15 thousand in London rent, before it was broken into, vandalised, and subsequently stolen. Shouldn't really have parked up in Kings Cross, but discrete spots were hard to find.

Insurance, to my complete astonishment, paid out 1600 quid.

Now I don't necessarily fully recommend the urban-new-age-traveller (well, more urban-new-age-parker really) lifestyle, and it'd probably be impossible in these days of pervasive surveillance and blanket parking restrictions, but vehicle economics-wise, I'd think it'd be tough to beat.

Over to you.

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - edlithgow

Well, more urban-middle-age-parker really, TBH.

Edited by edlithgow on 24/12/2018 at 15:54

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - dan86

Best i ever did was a y reg 2001 Toyota avensis 1.8 vvti Vermont lift back.

It was given to me by my father in perfect mechanical order in 2013 and i owned it 18 months. In that time I had to put on a new midsection and back box (came as 1 unit) that cost £100. I sold it for £900 making a profit of £800.

I tend to own cars untill they die as I don't see the point in a new car every three years it's just throwing money down the drain. The suzuki we have owns since new for 8 years isnt showing any signs of diying yet so will keep soldering on untill it dies or legislation kills it same with the 3 year old Nissan we brought this year.

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - Avant

"The suzuki we have owns since new for 8 years isnt showing any signs of diying yet so will keep soldering on untill it dies or legislation kills it same with the 3 year old Nissan we brought this year."

I wouldn't normally draw attention to typos - I make enough of them myself - but the two in the above sentence are delightful !

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - dan86

"The suzuki we have owns since new for 8 years isnt showing any signs of diying yet so will keep soldering on untill it dies or legislation kills it same with the 3 year old Nissan we brought this year."

I wouldn't normally draw attention to typos - I make enough of them myself - but the two in the above sentence are delightful !

That would be auto correct and typing on a phone

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - Bolt

I lived in it (completely illegally, of course) for three years or so, so it saved me about 15 thousand in London rent, before it was broken into, vandalised, and subsequently stolen. Shouldn't really have parked up in Kings Cross, but discrete spots were hard to find.

More and more people are doing it, living in motors around London and Kent even if they are not supposed to be parked in certain areas they do it anyway, as some cannot get rented places to live. many reasons why not.

but they seem to survive ok in these motors with solar power and assistance from passers by and motors in surprisingly good nick as well for their age

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - edlithgow

That truck was in very good condition, though it suffered a seized wheel cylinder while I had it due to lack of use. I wasn't really competent to drive something that big (I believe I'd have needed an HGV license but for the motor-caravan conversion loophole).and so didn't much, though people did tend to get out of the way.

A co-worker who had worked for BT (probably pre-privatisation) said they didn't skimp on maintenance and would often put new engines in rather than fix them.

The bloke that MOT'd it said they often went to Africa, so maybe its still driving around down there. Hope so.

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - SLO76

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Edited by Avant on 29/12/2018 at 12:06

Bangernomics aside - about as cheap as it gets? - retgwte

Worked alongside a freelancer, who parked his camper van in the staff car park and lived in it for six months.