Not exactly "customer service from Hell" - quite the opposite in fact - but a couple of wonderful stories from years ago, of which I have, inevitably, long since mislaid the source. Story 1. A customer insists that her car (a VW Beetle) is "running lumpy." Several checks and test drives later, no obvious cause is found and the customer is still fuming (think Mrs Richards from Fawlty Towers). Junior customer service technician takes customer out for a test drive and asks her to drive. "Mrs. Richards" sits down, pulls the choke out to maximum and hangs her handbag on it and drives off in an enormous cloud of smoke. Story 2. Customer leaves car with garage on Monday morning with cryptic note about "knocking sound from engine area". Several checks and a long test drive later, the mechanic identifies the cause and leaves a note for the driver who collects the car that afternoon. "Knocking sound traced to hard boiled egg inside glovebox, believed to have escaped from customer's lunchbox. No charge."
Edited by Bilboman on 05/10/2017 at 00:37
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Not so much customer service, but more spares from hell.
Many years ago, as travelling from the south coast to London, bought a Rover 200TD from a well known south coast chain. Collected it on the saturday, got it home to find oil on the drive. Phoned them up and was told bring it back immediately.
Up on the ramp, looks of total perplexion, no oil leak visible. Only when they started the engine did the oil start leaking from around the filter area. Turned out the U*$£^rt filter hadn't had it's can welded correctly to the threaded section and it was only the paint job that was holding it together. Another one found, that leaked. Whole batch was faulty.
Ended up being given back my old car for the weekend until they could get fresh in.
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23 posts, but all from regulars so not a single name-and-shame. Thanks, everyone.
Interesting to see some fond memories of the Cavalier. That was the only Vauxhall that I ever found enjoyable to drive: I might have had one but it wasn't quite big enough for our growing family. The 1.6 felt much brisker than the equivalent Sierra and the 2-litre went like a bomb.
They were all quite lively for their size, (except the non-turbo 1.7 diesel) even the 1.4 would nip along ok and could outsprint a 1600 Sierra. The 1.6 was a sweet wee engine and due to the lower gearing was actually no slower on the road than the 1.8 which only had 8bhp more in carb form. One of the things that saved them was the fact they were (except the 16v models) all non-interference motors so when a timing belt failed you just slapped on a new one, reset the timing and off you went. If only more modern cars could be so robust and straightforward. The 2.0 130 in the SRi and 2.0i L 4x4 was the pick along with the excellent turbo diesel. I loved em.
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Not really customer service from hell as they dealt with it well enough, but...
Around 1990 I took my company Scirocco into the local VW dealer for a service. Picked it up at about 5.00 pm on a Friday and drove it back to the office - about 1 mile - during which I noticed that the back end was bouncing uncontrollably. I rang the dealer and spoke to the service receptionist who asked me to bring it straight back, When I got there he was waiting for me rather sheepishly and told me that he knew what was wrong - they were changing the rear shock absorbers and he had been to the bay where my car had been, and found both the old ones and the replacements lying at the side of the bay. All the mechanics had gone home, so he lent me a Golf for the weekend.
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<< They were all quite lively for their size, (except the non-turbo 1.7 diesel) even the 1.4 would nip along ok and could outsprint a 1600 Sierra. The 1.6 was a sweet wee engine and due to the lower gearing was actually no slower on the road than the 1.8 which only had 8bhp more in carb form. >>
I bought an 83-reg Cavalier estate with the 1.6 engine - at 9 months old it had done 23K as a rep's car with a company that went bust. Kept it for 4 years, almost 70K on the clock; it went on continental camping hols with teenage kids. No trouble that I can recall except leaky stem seals. Only minus was the colour - chocolate brown ...
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<< They were all quite lively for their size, (except the non-turbo 1.7 diesel) even the 1.4 would nip along ok and could outsprint a 1600 Sierra. The 1.6 was a sweet wee engine and due to the lower gearing was actually no slower on the road than the 1.8 which only had 8bhp more in carb form. >>
I bought an 83-reg Cavalier estate with the 1.6 engine - at 9 months old it had done 23K as a rep's car with a company that went bust. Kept it for 4 years, almost 70K on the clock; it went on continental camping hols with teenage kids. No trouble that I can recall except leaky stem seals. Only minus was the colour - chocolate brown ...
The Holden Camira was GM-Australia's version of GM's global J-body cars, as was the Ascona/Cavalier, but Opel/Vauxhall had no estate version so Vauxhall imported the Camira rear panels to create the Vauxhall Cavalier estate - but sadly no engines bigger than 1.6 in the estate so never got the 1.8/2.0 injected engines - surprising as those engines were built in Australia!
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We had an 09 plate Toyota yaris, lovely car bought from the main dealer one previous owner history, ect, after about 8months or so we noticed 1st and second gear was sometimes difficult to engage, it was booked in at the dealer to have a look at and we were told it was the car mats, ( remember the big issue with car mats in toyotas in the us) anyway, we knew it wasnt the mats as id tried the gears without the mats and the problem was still there, and after several trips back and forth to the garage it all ended by us ( well my wife, ) having a stand up argument in the showroom, with the service manager who insisted iit was our driving style, ( the final straw), we ended up taking our car to another toyota dealer 25 miles away, and they diagnosed that the nylon bushes under the lever were dry ( i think) it was much better after that and we ended up taking out a service plan with them, ( cheaper than the 1st garage,) the whole experience soured what was a lovely car, and put us off toyotas somewhat
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23 posts, but all from regulars so not a single name-and-shame. Thanks, everyone.
Interesting to see some fond memories of the Cavalier. That was the only Vauxhall that I ever found enjoyable to drive: I might have had one but it wasn't quite big enough for our growing family. The 1.6 felt much brisker than the equivalent Sierra and the 2-litre went like a bomb.
It certainly did, and it was probably the quickest and most gutsy car in terms of pure BHP (120, if I remember rightly) that I've ever had. Given the significantly more powerful cars available nowadays, that perhaps says something about the stately progress that I tend to look for in my cars.
Like many who were still in the first flushes of driving enthusiasm I occasionally fancied the idea of being seen in an SRi, but I doubt whether it would have been significantly quicker than the 2.0 GLi whilst certainly being much more attractive to thieves at a time when car security was fragile, to say the least.
As the OP I'd echo your thanks, Avant, about the absence of naming and shaming. Witty, interesting and entertaining posts, and not a single court case pending at the end of it all.
Edited by argybargy on 06/10/2017 at 10:59
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At one point, the Cavalier SRi had a 130PS engine and close-ratio box while the GLi/CDi had a 115PS engine with wide-ratio box so there would have been a difference but when the 140PS 16v engine was introduced the SRi simply became a trim level - identical mechanically.
Originally the SRi got genuine Recaro seats but soon replaced by cheaper versions - firm side bolsters too close together for my ample frame, it felt like I was perched on the two sides but they soon adapted to my shape and were exceedingly comfortable over long-distances.
I've always classed myself as a petrol-head who knows a lot about the few cars I've had - my '85 Cavalier SRi was a company car and offered to me at book price when I was made redundant - I bought it and eventually sold it at 4 years old having clocked the mileage down from 90,000 to 50,000 - I advertised it and three lads and their dad turned up, claiming to know everything about Cavaliers, gave it a thorough inspection a\nd test drive, gave me the asking price in cash and took it away.
Now, I'm prepared to question anyone regardless of how good their credentials!
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So it probably was significantly quicker. Still glad I didn't go for the SRi option, as they they must have featured in the top half of the "most stolen model" league table for much of their lifespan. Plus the fact that insurance costs in the relatively sedate part of Merseyside where I used to live were linked to the central Liverpool postcodes, which made insurance for such a car very dear indeed.
Not sure whether to view your admission of clocking as admirable honesty or unfortunate braggadocio, but best move on and avoid repetition of recent contributor friction.
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So it probably was significantly quicker. Still glad I didn't go for the SRi option, as they they must have featured in the top half of the "most stolen model" league table for much of their lifespan. Plus the fact that insurance costs in the relatively sedate part of Merseyside where I used to live were linked to the central Liverpool postcodes, which made insurance for such a car very dear indeed.
Not sure whether to view your admission of clocking as admirable honesty or unfortunate braggadocio, but best move on and avoid repetition of recent contributor friction.
That was 30 years ago - attitudes were different then - but it did demostrate to me that a clocked high mileage but well cared for car was virtually impossible to detect
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So it probably was significantly quicker. Still glad I didn't go for the SRi option, as they they must have featured in the top half of the "most stolen model" league table for much of their lifespan. Plus the fact that insurance costs in the relatively sedate part of Merseyside where I used to live were linked to the central Liverpool postcodes, which made insurance for such a car very dear indeed.
Not sure whether to view your admission of clocking as admirable honesty or unfortunate braggadocio, but best move on and avoid repetition of recent contributor friction.
That was 30 years ago - attitudes were different then - but it did demostrate to me that a clocked high mileage but well cared for car was virtually impossible to detect
Point taken.
I'd hate to see anyone unconditionally defending the practice of clocking, because by any other name it's theft.
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So it probably was significantly quicker. Still glad I didn't go for the SRi option, as they they must have featured in the top half of the "most stolen model" league table for much of their lifespan. Plus the fact that insurance costs in the relatively sedate part of Merseyside where I used to live were linked to the central Liverpool postcodes, which made insurance for such a car very dear indeed.
Not sure whether to view your admission of clocking as admirable honesty or unfortunate braggadocio, but best move on and avoid repetition of recent contributor friction.
That was 30 years ago - attitudes were different then - but it did demostrate to me that a clocked high mileage but well cared for car was virtually impossible to detect
Point taken.
I'd hate to see anyone unconditionally defending the practice of clocking, because by any other name it's theft.
I'm not going to defend it even conditionally, I was just being honest.
In a perverse way, it emphasised the quality of the mk2 Cavalier by not showing signs wear even over high mileages.
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The early SRis were terrific - mine was a 1984 model before the close-ratio box. The engine was extremely tight on delivery and I thrashed it (it was my first company car). At the first service they said it was the fastest SRI they'd seen :-) It had no cut out and would rev cleanly all the way through the red sector. Everyone who drove it said 'I just need to overtake this car, and this one and...'
Handling was exceptional - the car just didn't care what the weather did, even snow didn't trouble it. When it came off lease I had a 2.0 GLi, which was slower and didn't handle nearly so well. A neighbour bought it off the lease co. and continued to thrash it for years. It never, ever went wrong.
I was quite glad to see the back of it, and calm down a bit !
Later on, I got a 1988 Carlton as a co. car. That was also a great machine.
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The early SRis were terrific - mine was a 1984 model before the close-ratio box. The engine was extremely tight on delivery and I thrashed it (it was my first company car). At the first service they said it was the fastest SRI they'd seen :-) It had no cut out and would rev cleanly all the way through the red sector. Everyone who drove it said 'I just need to overtake this car, and this one and...'
Handling was exceptional - the car just didn't care what the weather did, even snow didn't trouble it. When it came off lease I had a 2.0 GLi, which was slower and didn't handle nearly so well. A neighbour bought it off the lease co. and continued to thrash it for years. It never, ever went wrong.
I was quite glad to see the back of it, and calm down a bit !
Later on, I got a 1988 Carlton as a co. car. That was also a great machine.
A friend of mine's dad had a Carlton, in auto form with a sport button. That was one swift (and comfortable) car - I was very impressed at the time.
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Early days yet, but a positive customer service story.
Took my B-Max to a Ford dealer on the Wirral, Tuesday just gone, to have the gearbox checked and, if the Powershift "judder" was replicated whilst in their tender care, fixed under warranty.
Got it back today with a new clutch pack, which is apparently the clutch assembly plus seals and things: must be a fair few bob's worth. Didn't cost me anything, no questions asked about the car's service history, only bad news story being a few pasty crumbs on the back seat, quickly hoovered away.
This is the second Ford dealer I'd approached with this issue; the first one would only do software updates and/or replace the transmission control module, and anything beyond that would incur a £50 diagnostic fee plus the cost of the job if I left the car with them.
Just shows the value of shopping around, even when under warranty.
Edited by argybargy on 07/10/2017 at 00:52
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My perception is that franchised dealers have got better over the years/decades - although going right back it would have been almost impossible to get worse.
My Ford loyalty lasted from '71 to '84 but the short warranty of those days meant a quick switch to DIY maintenance - my Vauxhall spell from '85 to '06 with each dealer in turn being found to be incompetent - my short experience of Subaru from '07 to '10 was tainted by their switch from their original dealers to the glass palaces who knew little about the cars.
My Hyundai experiences from '11 to '15 suggested that dealer attitudes were changing - my Santa Fe had a whole raft of issues, including a rebuilt engine, spending more time "off-road" being repaired under warranty than all my previous cars put together - but all done without any issues by the selling dealer, seemingly helped by the Service Manager getting involved and providing what looks like personal service but may be extended to many others.
It's been strange with VW - the selling dealer treating me like an ijiot once the money was in their bank, delivering the car with grime under the fitted mats and plenty of dirt externally - I vowed never to take the car back there - my local VW dealer have been more than happy to take on my servicing and warranty work and is party to an extended warranty arrangement on the sunroof which has proved particularly troublesome.
Ironically, when I was looking at premium SUVs before I bought my Touareg, both the BMW and Mercedes-Benz dealers instantly dismissed my serious intentions, probably due to my "casual disdain of fashion" - Lexus and Range Rover simply ignored me!
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I hesitate to add this to the mix, having banged on about it in my 'Fracked in France' thread, but I think it's worth mentioming.
Recovered from A10 autoroute near Orleans by 'approved contractor', 'diagnosed' (at my cost) of €67) as injector failure (new injector would cost €1500), 'Bosch' diagnosis report at €67 to confirm.
When I asked for second opinion, rescue firm found that 1. Ford garage would not touch, 2. Jaguar garage quoted 2-3 weeks before diagnosis could start.
Car recovered back to UK at who knows what cost. Found to be (as I had suggested to Pierre the Pirate Mechanic) a detached turbo pipe. Could have been fixed roadside at zero cost. My indie charged 1.5 hours labour for diagnosis, fix, and extensive road test. (£85).
I think I can claim the prize for the s***iest customer service - but also the best from a rescue service.
PS: I haven't told the rescue service the outcome - should I?
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I've had little experience of main dealers, having never bought a car from one of their forecourts. Nor till this July did I ever own a car with balance of manufacturer warranty still outstanding, Having visited the premises of two main dealers since buying this B Max, I've had a flavour of how different the experience can be from one company to another. Even the indy where I bought the car said that if they need main dealer work done on a customer's Ford, the attitude they get from the same dealer from one week to another can differ significantly, depending on who picks up the phone.
My son had a 59 plate Fiesta which was bought from a Ford main dealer in Cheshire, and, they managed to destroy the air filter box with their clumsy handling during a service. Fortunately an easy and cheap fix with parts from Teabay.
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Any business is onty as good as the human beings who run it and work for it, no matter how many customer services policies and guidelines they may have.
In my experience there is a far better chance of good service - not just in the case of garages/dealers - from a family-owned business than from a a large chain. As an example for all the 20 years that I had Renaults, they were looked after by Cross Roads Garage in Oxfordshire, run by the Cliff family who inspired loyalty to the extent at for all those years the same key managers were there.
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