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Ford Focus 2 - diesel or petrol better for long term ownership - john96

Guys, looking at various motors, but fancy focus ghia. Budget up to 5k and 06-06 models are in that range , some with high miles. Hoping it will last me another 5-7 years so what should give me the least grief!! Only engine I dont fancy is either of the 1.8s.

Understand FSH is preferable, so opinions please!

Ford Focus 2 - diesel or petrol better for long term ownership - Armstrong Sid

You don't give any clue as to how you will use the thing.

If you are considering diesel, then persumably you do quite a high annual mileage and/or motorway driving. If you don't do that, then forget diesel.

If it will just be used to tackle Tesco car park and taking the kids to school, then petrol is your answer.

I'm on my second 1.6 Zetec petrol and they don't give any problems

Ford Focus 2 - diesel or petrol better for long term ownership - john96

Hi Sid, Ive got a 20 mile each way commute to work, mostly dual carriageway, but due to the way I work, its unlikely to be more than 10k per year. I imagine that its more likely to get big bills from a diesel, but I dont know how unreliable they are due to the sheer numbers of them sold, as we all know that most forums just tell you the negatives of a vehicle!!

Ford Focus 2 - diesel or petrol better for long term ownership - primeradriver
Make sure that you can get comfortable -- after my nightmare with this model (I'm still suffering from the after-effects of poor driving position) it turns out that a good half-dozen of the guys in our office dislike the works Focus due to its dodgy seat/pedal position/centre console intrusion.

You might be fine, but I'd be inclined to borrow one for a few days to make sure you don't get any nasty twinges.

It doesn't matter how good the car is, if it ain't comfortable it ain't worth having.
Ford Focus 2 - diesel or petrol better for long term ownership - john96

Primera driver, I agree, but surely its the same with any car to try and be comfy. Im 5´8 so reckon there shouldn´t be any problems there!

Just for info, other contenders I´m looking at are, old shape civic, ceed, octavia.

Ford Focus 2 - diesel or petrol better for long term ownership - Glenn 42

The TDCI is the business for high mileages, 120 mph and 57 mpg is very tempting, but for average mileage drivers or less, the 1.6 petrol is the one to go for( the 1.4 is too slow and the 1.8 is less economical) as it has the right balance between economy and performance. Since there are hundreds of thousands on the used car market, prices are cheap and being a Ford, any garage can service and repair them, although Ford dealers can be unhelpful and don't score highly in surveys. Generally the petrol ones are more reliable than the diesels, the main faults seemingly to be minor electrical problems, although the central locking can fail in older ones.

Ford Focus 2 - diesel or petrol better for long term ownership - SteveLee

If you're buying a car and running it for 5-7 years with your own money - I'd say petrol every time - much more likely to be reliable longterm. The 2 litre Focus lump is supposed to be pretty robust. It only takes one major component in the overly complex diesel injection system to go wrong and the car's scrap.

Another car worth looking for in this class is the Type S 5 door Civic, this is a UK-only Swindon built model, the engine is a gem, pocky and very fuel efficient, you can expect 40+ mpg driven gentry and plenty of go when you need it - the car lools a bit stade but it's a cracker. It has sensible profile tyres and sized wheels so ride comfort is good too.

Ford Focus 2 - diesel or petrol better for long term ownership - BigJohnD

Diesel, if longevity is the issue. The 1.6 DV6 engine is gem, but I'm not sure that's available as a Ghia. You'll easily get 50mpg on a 20 mile commute, and be lucky to get 40 from the petrol.

All Focuses are prone to minor elecrical, e.g. faulty rear wipers, electric windows and with petrols, interference on the radio.

Ford Focus 2 - diesel or petrol better for long term ownership - SteveLee

"Diesel, if longevity is the issue" I would have agreed with you 20 years ago, modern diesels are an expensive issue waiting to happen. with annual mileage of 10K per year the fuel saving is hardly relevant. Change the oil regularly and cambelt when required you can almost guarantee 150K+ miles out of most modern petrol engines with perhaps 1 clutch change. Yes a diesel will easily clock up 150K miles in high mileage situations but 10K per year over many years, something is bound to go wrong. All it takes is one misfuel or a bad batch of diesel and you're looking at a £2-3K repair bill. How likly is a "bad batch" of fuel? Resellers do not have to mention a biodiesel content of 5% or less - there's a very real chance of "normal" diesel (illegally) ending up with 15% biofuel by the time it makes it to the forecourt, the bio-diesel will have 10% added to the "stock" fuel regardless of what's already there. I know people will say I only use brand xyz - all petroleum companies buy base fuels off the open market when it's economically advantageous to do so - then they add their additive packages on top. To add to the problems, the diesel fuel supply chain is much more prone to problems such as water vapour and/or and bacterial/fungal infections. (yes your diesel car can catch an infection!) old fashioned diesels would suck this rubbish in and spit it out, modern common rail diesels have fuel pump and/or injector issues at the drop of a hat. As a company car, modern diesels are great, as personally-funded transport - I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole.

Edited by SteveLee on 19/09/2010 at 23:14

Ford Focus 2 - diesel or petrol better for long term ownership - Avant

I agree with Steve. A diesel is fine if you do a high annual mileage AND buy new or nearly-new - otherwise go for petrol.

SWMBO had a Civic Type S a few years ago - a very good car. Totally reliable with lively performance and good handling. There may not be very many around, so check out the more popular 1.6 and see if it's fast enough for you. There are of course lots of Focuses around to suit any budget, with the choice of 1.6, 1.8 and 2.0 petrol engines, all of which have their adherents.

Ford Focus 2 - diesel or petrol better for long term ownership - angryman
Word of warning: Avoid ESP on Foci of that age like the plague (it is fitted as an extra). The notorious Teves Mk60 ABS unit is installed. Mine gave up the ghost, it cost me £1500 to get it repaired (whole unit had to be replaced).
Ford Focus 2 - diesel or petrol better for long term ownership - john96
Some food for thought there guys, ref the ESP, is there a button or light to indicate if its fitted?
Must admit that my head says petrol anyway! Just see the MPG from derv and wish it was petrol!
Ref the civic, I have driven the executive model with 1.6, was quite nice, just lack of armrest and horrible looking, wierd shaped stereo put me off.
Ford Focus 2 - diesel or petrol better for long term ownership - Dutchie

With any car you drive be it petrol or diesel its the way you drive and the service you give the car.Driving any internal combustion engine short distances everyday does't do it any good.Battery live cold engine any car has to be driven ones in a while get that engine hot.Modern diesels Citroen Peugeot Audi BMW have come a long way to what the engines where twenty years ago.

Ford Focus 2 - diesel or petrol better for long term ownership - essex619

Well I can give you the answer, Im looking at our family business experience.. right We run a taxi business now we got all Diesel cars but only last year we had a mixture of both petrol and diesel cars a fleet upto 25 vehicles of our own.. we gathered...

Diesel - Lasts longer but parts are expensive

Petrol - Parts are usually cheaper but required alot of maintenance e.g. service etc.

If you look at them both, theres not much difference they both cost the same at the end but in different ways!

Like I have stated we have over 20 cars, all doing 8,000 miles amonth averagely.. they cost ok by maintance as they require a service every month or so...but diesels are more heavy duty can handle the power i guess, petrol cars are abit too weak like 1.2/1.3/1.6 etc. unless u have a super car! or a sporty quick one

My friend what I would strongly recommend for you is Diesel but it doesnt matter what one you get your in the same boat mate.. :)

Ford Focus 2 - diesel or petrol better for long term ownership - SteveLee
Parts are usually cheaper but required alot of maintenance e.g. service etc.






Absolute nonsense, Sparkplugs aside (which last years these days) - what parts do petrol cars need above diesels? Diesel glowplugs seem to go wrong more often than sparkplugs! I conclude that diesel cars have recently began to match petrol cars (service interval wise) due to cleaner fuels contaminating oil less and better (at suspending rubbish between services) oil. Petrol cars have traditionally required less servicing since we got rid of distributors, contact breaker points and lead in fuel (which shorted sparkplugs) modern ignition components are very reliable and if they do go wrong are relatively cheap.

Modern petrol engines just need oil changes, fuel/oil/air filters, spark plugs last 30-50k miles ignition packs 100K+. Diesels have ever more complex (high pressure) fuel injection and antipollution systems, expensive engine mounts, dual-mass flywheel failures (they don't seem to go pop on petrols), (ubiquitous) turbo failures, diesels are a liability and require dealer servicing. Add to the above the recent problems caused by DPF regeneration, which not only hurts fuel economy, it has been known on some models to blow engines, which when driven too gently cause the additional "regen" fuel to end up in the sump rather than being burned off. I was a diesel fan when they were rough, simple but reliable devices, I wouldn't mind betting that today's diesels will be worthless in 6 years time. cambelt changes aside, anyone can service a modern petrol without specialist tools. Today's diesels require specialist knowledge that even dealers lack who replace expensive parts one after another until they accidentally stumble across the problem.
Ford Focus 2 - diesel or petrol better for long term ownership - john96

Update, I test drove a ghia estate ( petrol ) today and I was really underwhelmed with what was, when new, the top of the range model. I thought it went well, but the inside still felt cheap. The search goes on..

Ford Focus 2 - diesel or petrol better for long term ownership - Avant

If you want a feeling of quality in the interior, go for a VW Golf. I've had two Golf estates and both were excellent. But my current Octavia is as well finished as they were.

Interior finish isn't the only priority in buying a car, but it's important to some and it certainly sells VWs (although I had other reasons for buying mine).

Ford Focus 2 - diesel or petrol better for long term ownership - SteveLee

The last two Golfs I drove, the ride was so hard my back ached within 20 minutes - the ride was shocking - how can people put up with this? I wasn't particularly impressed with the plastics either.