Iam a bit surprised at the negative comments about the focus,I have been driving a new focus now for two months.We have the titanium model 1.6 tdci.Two previous cars honda jazz automatic and the mitsubishi space star 1.6.Inside the focus average plastics mark easily the honda jazz did not mark so easy.The seats in the focus are very comfortable good lower back support.The ride very good feels safe on the road .First ford i have ever owned previous cars german and japanese.The handbrake in the focus takes a bit getting used to but i have no problems with the pedals up to now.Time will tell we be keeping the car for three years.
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Right, here's a thing.
The more I drive the Focus, the more I realise that the problem isn't so much the lateral position of the pedals, it's more the height, and reach of the things, which is making the poor positioning more of an issue that it would otherwise be. They're set far too high for me to be able to feather the accelerator on long runs without getting vicious cramp.
It's my understanding that newer Focusses have electrically adjustable pedals, and older ones were adjustable by an allen bolt under the dashboard.
It occurred to me that it's possible that the previous owner was a shorty and had the pedals adjusted to suit his puny stature.
However the Ford dealer knew nothing of either option(!), said that the pedals were non-adjustable in any way, and was dismissive of my comments about the pedals being badly placed.
So, as this is pretty much the last chance for this car (it's going the journey as soon as I get the V5 if I can't get used to it), can anyone confirm if there are any options at all for the Mk2 Focus, without the electrically-adjustable pedals?
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I've had a focus for four years and it is definately uncomfortable!l
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Well I now have rather painful sciatica on myt right side caused by a slipped disc, very likely exacerbated by the twisted driving position. Thanks Ford!
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Come on primeradriver, you can't blame Ford for your sciatica, you've more than likely had bad posture for years or you've been lifting things awkwardly all the time. I know, I'm just recovering from a bout of it. Get yourself to the physio, do some corrective exercises and get yourself something with a supportive seat (I won't mention which car again, but read the HJ review about the seats) :-)
Sorry if this sounds like it's developing into a medical forum...
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I think the only car that I've ever driven that doesn't do my back in is ............. dah, dah............. my wife's Ford Focus. And I've got sciatica! Her Focus is a 52 reg Chic with leather seats. We've had this discussion before and I suspect a lot depends on the type of Focus you have.
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The only car I had that didn't give me back pain was an Austin Maxi.
I know, I can't believe it either!
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I've recently bought a 53 plate Suzuki Ignis Sport - a rare model in this country and made in Japan. Beautifuuly built, it runs sweet as a nut, is fiun to drive, has a comfy seat and pedals were they should be - straight ahead. Ditch the Focus and go Japanese.
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Well, I made a discovery today that might answer this particular conundrum.
I had a look at a couple of other Focuses, and one thing I noticed was the much better clutch movement. This, I think was indirectly causing my problems.
On my car, the clutch pedal goes all the way down to the floor, only stopped by the carpet. I probably should have flagged this as a fault, rather than a feature. It goes down a good inch or two further than it should.
As a result, in my comfortable driving position I was unable to comfortably push the pedal all the way down (as I saw it), so was pulling the seat forward to compensate.
This, together with a brake pedal that I still maintain is too far to the left, and a bit too high anyway, meant that I was simultaneously stretching my left leg most of the way, and angling my right leg right around to brake/stop. This coupled with the resulting twisting motion of my entire body as a result of the contorted position the clutch pedal was putting me into, was causing cumulative strain, and after many miles, pain.
I was then wondering if the pedals could be adjusted. As it happens, yes, but not in the way I was anticipating!
The clutch fault is down to a mechanical stopper built into the master cylinder, according to the technician at Ford. Replace the master cylinder (should be free as covered by 3 month warranty on car, but even if not it's not a completely unreasonable £115) and with any luck the clutch pedal should be set correctly.
I've seen, from Ford themselves a set of wider pedal rubbers from an ST that will fit, and a footrest that can be retro-fitted, for £75. I think the two together should be the answer to my problems, touch wood.
Still going to check out the Kia Cee'd though for reference if I still can't get on with the Ford after this. No-one could then say that I hadn't given the car a fair go.
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There are companies like mine that specialise in adaptaing cars for people with difficulties of all types, we can move your pedal up, back or side ways.
The cost depends on various things such as wether or not the accelerator arm metal or plastic, how far do you want to move it and where you live as I provide a mobile service, the cost should be around £60 - £120.
I'm based in london but if you want to find a company near you, just look on the motability web site for a list of accredited installers, this is a list of all Motability accredited installers (Adaptation companies like me) and there addresses.
A10 Adaptations. London.
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i have drive focus's for quite a few years mk 1 for 5 years and the new shape for 2 years and have never noticed offset pedals
perhaps my legs are offset to match
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Hi Primeradriver,
Were you able to get a left foot rest for your focus? Did the £75 pund cost include the fitting?How easy was it to fit it?
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I couldn't agree more about the offset postioning of the Focus pedals.
The seats in the wife'sFocus Zetec are also poor - you sit on them; not in them - and there's no thigh support either so with the displaced pedal position, discomfort becomes the name of the game. I find within a few minutes I have aching upper legs and I'm constantly shuffling in the seat to find the least worst position.
Then I get into my Citroën, sink into the armchair, find the pedals are exactly where they should be (despite the handbrake and wipers been still setup for LHD) and can drive for hours in comfort, arriving completely relaxed.
Edited by BigJohnD on 22/10/2010 at 01:44
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It must be me John but I have no problems with the Focus we have the Titanium model.Iam tall and I found the seats in the Focus more comfortable than the Honda Jazz.I haven't driven a citroen for years I know they where known for comfy seats,have to try one out.:)
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Titanium trim must have better seats than a Zetec then, but I assure you the Zetec seats are truly awful, and seriously let the car down. Even the wife complains, and after much trial and error, she has found a suitable shaped cushion to improve the seating position and back support.
It's a no-brainer when it comes to long journeys (i.e. more than about 10 miles) - the Citroën every time. She regularly falls asleeps in the passenger seat of the Citroën, but it's impossible to do the same in the Focus seats because they are small, uncomfortable and lack support back and leg support.
Fortunately for me, this has convinced her that moving up to a bigger C5 Tourer with oleo-pneumatic suspension is a very good move. (Bending bits of iron to keep a car on the road - who thought of that?!)
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Its nice when my wife falls asleep,on the trip to France she likes Marc Bolan T rex .Sound up :) I try to concentrate driving on the right with rock blasting out.:) Citroen have always had comfy seats John going way back .
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If you're driving don't you want a seat that keeps you awake?
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True I don't want to be to comfortable.:) And don't forget the pedals.
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Citroen have always had comfy seats John going way back .
I know, I started with a 1969 2CV!
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I cannot believe I just found this thread. I honestly thought I was going mad thinking my Ford Focus was the reason for my pain but I am sure of it now.
I have had my Focus for almost 3 years now and since then have developed terrible sciatica, back and knee pain. And I'm only 25! It happens every time I drive. If I go to the osteopath, he straightens out my pelvis and spine and if I catch the bus to work I feel fine but as soon as I jump into my Focus my back becomes twisted again - to the point where the pain gives me so much stress while driving I forget to breathe.
I've had to stop yoga because of the knee pain and have started reformer pilates (which is very boring) to strengthen the right muscles.
Unfortunately in large Sydney you really need a car because public transport is so bad and expensive. I wanted to trade my car in but if I could make some minor adjustments that would be preferable.
I realised after some time that the problem was the pedal positioning - exactly what you described before with the extended clutch and forward brake.
Did you find a solution? I'd love to see if I can fix this somewhere in Australia. Would certainly save my osteo and pilates bills!
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Funny you mentioning the Accord - one of the most comfortable cars I've had was my 04' Accord Type-S. The seats the ride comfort was superb, even on 17" wheels.
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Another thread I'd totally forgotten about :)
I (or rather Ford) traced the problem to a faulty clutch master cylinder. I don't recall the details now but there is a small piece of plastic(!!) on the cylinder that is designed to stop the pedal from travelling beyond a certain point, which had been defeated on my car. Apparently these are prone to sticking down (so the clutch remains disengaged, not helpful if you are joining a motorway or the like!!!) so my guess is that the previous owner experienced this problem and pushed the pedal back up with his foot, breaking the "stopper" and causing the clutch pedal to travel much more than it should.
Replacing the master cylinder (£85 I believe) fixed the problem.
I'm still not 100% happy with the driving position (the pedals are still offset but because I can now push the seat back it's a lot less uncomfortable) but it is now tolerable and as a result I kept the car.
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Just realised I'd already relayed the above information....
One thing I will say -- I'd never had sciatica before (I didn't even know what it was -- the first I knew about about the condition was agonising pain). It became a very painful problem almost immediately after I bought the car, and went away within a few weeks of fixing the fault. It has not returned. Make of that what you will....
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