The link below is an almost interesting review on CO2 emmissions from cars and what consumers apparently want - well yes I want a car limited to 155mph and runs on water but I ain't going to get it.
The interesting bit for me is the graph towards the bottom that shows increase in weight performance & capacity with a subsequent reduction in CO2.
You do have to ask what other ndustry can demonstrate improvements like this - but it is the motorist & manufacturers that continue to get hit.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6318099.stm
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Interesting! I've just bought a 155mph BMW 330 6pot, collecting it next Tues and can't wait. Frankly I couldn't give a toss about what it's putting out at the back as long as it's a nice 6pot rasp from the exhaust! I should care I know that but somehow I don't! I could have bought a 1 litre tiny car that would give out minimal CO2 and drive all week on a cup of petrol. But I didn't want to and fortunately my budget allowed me not to, so I didn't! May not be right & responsible but this is the real world!
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"Frankly I couldn't give a toss about what it's putting out at the back as long as it's a nice 6pot rasp from the exhaust"
Just be sure to close your vents when stuck behind our old Diesel in city traffic. :)
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Just be sure to close your vents when stuck behind our old Diesel in city traffic. :)
Forten! Take your point though oilrag. unately I don't drive in city traffic very oft
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Sorry re previous post - 1st word is Fortunately and last word is often.
Middle word shouldn't be there!!
Strewth, this Hardys chardonnay is stronger than I thought!
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BMW and AUssie Chardonay?
Peasant,
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
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BMW and AUssie Chardonay? Peasant, ------------------------------ TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
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Yep, I know ---- AND I love the Holden Monaro (even if it has got a Vauxhall badge) my mates got one and it really is a hoot!
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So I suppose that's 2 of us who don't want greener cars!
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Green or not, its nothing compared to all those coal powered power stations in China.
Enjoy the extra 2 cylinders :)
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I've long been disparaging about those I've often referred to as tree-huggers - but when I read the above posts in the light of today's alarming climate change report, I feel like repenting and looking for a sapling to cuddle.
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That BMW 6 pot noise is pure motoring heaven, it's the only reason that I bought my current motor (that and the nice wheels at least) :-)
What's a "Green Car"?
Blue
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"You do have to ask what other industry can demonstrate improvements like this - but it is the motorist & manufacturers that continue to get hit. "
It's the "easy target" syndrome.
There were a couple of other interesting graphs in Telegraph business section a couple of days ago
www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/20...l
One showed that transport as a whole is responsible for 14% of world CO2 emissions. Industry is also 14%, Power 24%, Agriculture 14%, changes in land use (deforestation etc) 18%, Buildings 8%.
An analyst is quoted as saying that
"the European car industry will be the first major business casualty of increased climate change concerns. This is more the result of populist EU politics than scientific fact," he says. "The European electorate is more green than counterparts elsewhere, but depressingly this appears not to be accompanied by any great hunger for the facts." "Aviation has moved into the sights of greenhouse gas regulators, despite contributing relatively little to global warming," "Emissions from the developed world are also dwarfed by those in developing countries when measured against economic output."
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Phil
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So I suppose that's 2 of us who don't want greener cars!
Well 3 actually.
And as for buying a 330 six pot - how ridiculous.....................................................ly fortunate are you - well done.
But shouldn't you be drinking blue nun with that.
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If i do only 5,000 miles a year in my 3 litre Jag..........how many miles a year would someone in a super mini have to do to catch up my CO output........ and then presumably when they do more mileage again, they'll be polluting more than me.
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I presume this posting is from the broohaha from the UN report on climate change.
Wasn't this handy timing for a certain Mr Blair who himself finds himself in the proverbial doo doos.
The BBC was headlining this report (with a 90odd % certainty) but Mr Blair wes relegated to "and other news" phew, the public have something else to chew on.
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I was down at Guidlford this afternoon and saw a modified London Black Cab 8500cc V8 it was superb.
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I've only had one green car and it was forever getting bumped in car parks. After that I always bought bright coloured and highly visible cars.
(I'm not going to apologise for refusing to pander to the current trend for giving words new meanings. The English language has enough words already to cover all situations.)
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L\'escargot.
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> If i do only 5,000 miles a year in my 3 litre Jag..........how many miles a year would someone in a super mini have to do to catch up my CO output?
Well, divide your CO2 output (guessing 250 g/km) by theirs (say, 125 g/km) and multiply by your 5,000 miles a year. Answer: 10,000 miles. But I agree that swapping your Jaguar for a Smart wouldn't, in itself, achieve everything - better overall to make it last and use it sensibly. The real problems that underlie all this are (1) that we all do Too Much Travelling and (2) that we all have, and want, Too Much Stuff.
But it goes much deeper than that. One of these days I'll find time to write a full-scale rant about how all these problems are connected to all the others - choice of school, choice of hospital, child care, house prices, family breakdown, urban sprawl and many more - and how no government is ever going to have the political guts to fix them because we the electorate won't stand for not being given what we want, and because no opposition is going to set aside political opportunism for the sake of the greater good. Harrumph!
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And another thing! There's a nice clue in the title of this thread. 'CONSUMERS want greener cars' - in other words, they (we) want to think that however serious the problem may be, we can fix it by Buying Some More Stuff, not by doing any hard thinking about whether we really need a heater on the patio, or that new sofa we saw on that TV makeover show (it's our demand for Stuff, after all, that's prompting the Chinese to build all those power stations), or whether it's really important to drive our children to the 'Academy' on the far side of town when there's a school down the road that they could walk to. And I know I do it too, and that's the hard part - it's not about changing what we buy, but about changing how we think.
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"we can fix it by Buying Some More Stuff"
90% of us (me included) are obsessed wtih buying stuff. I gave up buying stuff (other than food and other essentials) for January. It was VERY hard...
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The very same people that insist we have greener cars are the very same people who insist we make the cars more pedestrian friendly, occupant friendly, safer all-round etc., all of which make the cars quite a bit heavier.
I don't so much want a greener car, but a car that hopefully costs me least, given my requirements, over a given period of time. I didn't need a Mondeo TDCi, but I was not prepared to squash a family of four in a 1.3 litre Corsa Diesel to 'go greener'.
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