noticed more and more - most manufactures are moving towards thin door window frames.
not only is this worse for security but alos increases potential wind noise in the cabin.
plus today being with a new golf, it didnt feel as well built or as strong as the old one. nor did it look as strong.
same with the new megane and scenic - looks very cheap and feels fragile.
anybody else got th same grip?
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It's what happens when the cost-cutters get their way over the engineers. Look at what has happened at Mercedes, once the pinnacle of automotive engineering and now just another car manufacturer, led by a so-called "financial expert". Didn't make a good job at taking over Mitsubishi either.
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>>noticed more and more - most manufactures are moving towards thin door window frames.
not only is this worse for security but alos increases potential wind noise in the cabin.
Think you will find its to do with making the car lighter.security wont be affected due to the fact its the glass that is broken to break into cars.wind noise I doubt an issue as the motor will be designed to reduce it.unless they want to lose customers.but suppose as I dont know it may be wrong on all counts?
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steve - I've seen (and I'm sure you have too) a car whose front door had been wrenched out at the top of the window-frame, which just wasn't strong enough to resist.
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Fair comment,I think what I should have said was it wont matter what size the frame.if they want to break in they will.window frame has nothing to do with it.am surprised you mentioned it.if the glass is hit in correct place it will smash.
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Yes,but bending the door frame down is noiseless
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>>but bending the door frame down is noiseless
I think you mean bending the frame away from car.
Only answer really is for them to get caught.as for frame to be so strong.post before said it all.and agree with what RF said.
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I find it does increase wind noise - and it doesnt have the same strong feel.
Im sure half the reason is to make the car lighter - but i would rather lose 1mpg and have my car look and feel strong and well built than the flimsy doors todays car makers are producing.
It does affect security.
I dont know about you, but most of the cars of mine that have ben broken into/nicked have been through thiefs bending back the doors to put there hand in to lift lock.
Good reason to have deadlocks!
the only reason i didnt buy a daihatsu charade - because the top of doors around windows was so flimsy i bent it back mself without trying in the show room.
renault are biggest culprits of this new trend with megane and scenic - shame golf has done the same.
tomm look at the old golf and the new one and ask yourself which one looks stronger.
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No window frames at all on my Subaru and no wind noise from there either. Neither do I hear of Subarus being stolen in large numbers because of this. As has been rightly stated, if someone wants to get in they'll bust the glass with a centre punch.
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Dont blame the engineers, or the bean counters, blame the designers and the public.
It costs a lot more to make and design fancy shaped, sometimes curved, strong glass sliding into fancy shaped, sculpted thin door pillars and maintain crash worthiness and structural rigidity.
Designers like the look of glass, and the public likes the extra feeling of light and space.
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I notice that there's a trend for new cars to not have quarterlights any more ~ where will it all end?!
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I notice that there's a trend for new cars to not have quarterlights any more ~ where will it all end?!
I'm a little worried by the number of coaches and camper vans I see with no rear window. What's next?
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Tell that to the driver of a coach that passed me the other day, it had no rear window, and because of that he didn't notice that his coach was actually on fire!
It drove past with a massive plume of smoke coming from the rear of the coach, presumably in some sort of engine bay, there was a strong smell of burning plastics and everyone in the street was stopped watching it go past.
I suppose there aren't many vehicles on the road that are so big that you can carry on driving them from the front, oblivious to the fact that the rear end of the vehicle is actually well ablaze.
I wonder how far he got before he realised...
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If they can get a shovel or crowbar between the door and the frame i don't think that the thickess of the door frame is going have any effect at on them being able to bend the frame down, i doubt having anything less than a scaffolding pole as a door frame will them getting in.
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