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buying unseen - Brad
Went to a BMW dealer but they didn't have exactly what I wanted but found one on their computer just 200 miles away. Would I like to buy it. 4 years old. Er...without seeing it? Yes they said. There's so much demand that it might go quickly. Would you buy unseen? They guarantee everything for 12 months and it comes with 12 months MOT but without seeing it? They said they'd have to buy it into their stock before I could see it and I couldn't refuse it if I didn't like it once they'd done this. Am I naive or is this a bit over the top...
buying unseen - Imagos
no no no no no no!!! never ever ever ever buy without seeing the car or testdrive especially as it's used.
buying unseen - Mapmaker
Except on eBay, where the terms of the contract allow you to test drive after bidding in order to ensure that you have not been misled, or there are other faults that the vendor has not identified. Wouldn't recommend this approach on a 45k 7 series...
buying unseen - No Do$h
Typical bullish BMW dealer. A warranty is one thing, but you may simply not like the way this particular one drives. Suggest they employ a taxidermist; they need to get stuffed.
buying unseen - Collos25
Simply say If you want have a chance of selling the car to me bring it here if not get stuffed .If he is a franchised dealer then he is obliged to have it delivered free.There are plenty of second hand pieces of tin out there to choose from.
buying unseen - Wales Forester
Walk away.

PP
buying unseen - Aprilia
If there is 'so much demand' why are they attempting to force you to buy it? Surly they should take it, and if you don't want it they could sell it easily to another punter.
buying unseen - El Hacko
Freudian slip? Missing out the "e" in surely makes it a delightfully appropriate word, Aprilia...
buying unseen - Clanger
A few years ago my then business partner bought a BMW 523i manual from a dealer in London; he was in Co Durham. The buying and "viewing" was done entirely over the phone, only meeting up with the salesman to hand over the cash. I spent some time in the car as a passenger; it was a good choice.
Hawkeye
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Stranger in a strange land
buying unseen - CJay{P}
I was in your shoes some time ago. This is quite a common scenario. Although the cars are on a single database, each dealer 'owns' their stock. Your dealer must negotiate and buy the vehicle from the other dealer, period. If the dealer 200 miles away gets to know a certain customer is interested, they will not sell the car to another dealer, they will want to deal with the customer directly - since they know that they can get more out of you.

Either you take the dealer's word for it, or take a 200 mile hike and see it in flesh yourself!
buying unseen - patently
We sort of did this with the X5.

Supply was ridiculously tight - a new one had a 12 month waiting list, no thanks. s/h ones were selling too quickly, typically before they arrived with the dealer in px. We lost two in the time it took our dealer to phone elsewhere in the group to tell them they had sold it.

We found one about 30 miles away that was due to arrive in px in a few weeks and met our criteria perfctly, so put a deposit on it. We did have the chance to look over it before taking it, though. I wouldn't have agreed to be bound to take it regardless.
buying unseen - patently
I should have added that we had test driven several identical demonstrators so we knew the car was for us, we just needed to find one that was actually on sale!
buying unseen - Vansboy
Not quite un-seen, but...........

Both BCA & Manheim Auctions now offer the chance for dealers to buy on line.

BCA have a 'Fixed Price' option on some cars, with a picture & VERY precise description. Seems to be working well, if you're able to pre-sell a car to a customer.

Manheim have gone one step further & have actual on-line auctions, for selected sales.The auction is real time bidding & appears quite lively, when you watch it on the giant screens, within the sales hall.

Much prefer the 'buzz' of being there, myself, though!!

&, no, I still wouldn't be inclined to buy without seeing it in the metal, first.

VB
buying unseen - Civic8
Shouldnt buy anything you havent seen.If they havent already bought it would think a prob.on that date warranty will not cover certain probs so if they wont buy it why should you.?
buying unseen - madf
As important: consider what haggling power you have over price.
Nil.

Sure way to pay top wack..imo..



madf


buying unseen - Stuartli
Typical arrogance from all too many BMW dealerships.

Don't buy unseen under any circumstances - there are plenty of others out there.
buying unseen - Blue {P}
If there's plenty of others out there then why is the nearest one 200 miles away? :-)

You've got to bear in mind that the transport costs on this car will be about £100, the dealer can't really afford to make that commitment if they aren't fairly sure of getting your business.

What we do at work in this situation is take a £100 deposit, if the car has some demonstrable faults when it arrives that we can't rectify to a satisfactory standard, then the customer gets their money back. If the car arrives as we have described it (i.e. very good condition) then we expect the customer to buy it. They can't use a tiny stone chip as a reason to back out. They can however use evidence of serious neglect or poorly repaired crash damage etc. as a reason for rejection.

The advantage that we have is that we know that none of our cars are in that condition, so when it arrives there really won't be anything that could be used as ammo to cancel the sale.

I would just go for it on the grounds that if the car has any problems with it that you aren't happy with then you can cancel and get a refund.

Blue
buying unseen - malteser
When I had a dealership I bought & sold over the phone - but only with & from other dealers whose descriptions could be relied on to be accurate!
Roger in Spain
buying unseen - smokie
Aren't dealers like estate agents - nothing they say can be taken as accurate? (with apologies and a big smiley to all car dealers and estate agents who read this!)
buying unseen - Aprilia
If there's plenty of others out there then why is the
nearest one 200 miles away? :-)
You've got to bear in mind that the transport costs on
this car will be about £100, the dealer can't really afford
to make that commitment if they aren't fairly sure of getting
your business.



If these cars are 'in demand' then the £100 would be well spent, I would have thought, even if the original customer backed out.
Once you've paid the deposit you are 'locked' into the deal at the original price.
Having been in the trade in the past I have sold cars 'unseen', but only to suckers!

When you see a car you think you like, check it over carefully yourself noting any obvious points for negotiation (tyres, trim, chips, etc.). Then, if still happy at that point put a small deposit on it (£100-200) and have it inspected by AA/RAC.

In my experience a major dealer will be no more trustworthy than a back-street outfit. Salesmen are on commission and know all the tricks to hook a punter. There *are* plenty of s/hand cars of all brands out there - the country is awash with them.
buying unseen - Stuartli
Are you trying to kid me that the nearest particular BMW model, presumably in the colour and spec that Brad requires, is at least 200 miles away?

It might be in the BMW dealership's own group database, but there are other sources.
buying unseen - Aprilia
It might be in the BMW dealership's own group database, but
there are other sources.


Spot on.
buying unseen - lezebre
>> It might be in the BMW dealership's own group database,
but
>> there are other sources.
>>
Spot on.


But isn't it still true that the best examples do tend to return to the fold, as it were?
buying unseen - Brad
To finish this off. They told me it was in a compound somewhere in England. By using the used car search on bmw website I located it exactly at a dealer in the west country. I told them i wasn't buying anything useen. Within a week I was told it was sold; it's still on bmw website. However my local dealer has suddenly acquired a very similar vehicle...