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Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - groaver

As gordonbennet asked on another thread a few weeks back for thoughts as to living with a Swace, I asked my MIL for her thoughts.

Hers was bought at a year and a few months old having barely turned a wheel (~200 miles). It is the lower spec model of the two available at the time.

She appears to be averaging around the 60 mpg mark with most journeys being 15-20 miles in mainly rural roads with the occasional motorway trip.

She is no longer a quick driver and this mpg is possibly as a result of this as she tends to sit well below spped limits (40 out of town, 60 on motorways).

Having been in the car a couple fo times as it has been driven I noted the typical CVT drone which many do not consider to be an issue - I don't like it. Otherwise as quiet as any small modern estate.

The controls are near identical to Toyota as you would expect with SatNav being a notable omission (who needs it if you can use ACP/AA - but not wirelessly).

Trim inside is quite plain but seat fabric appears hard wearing.

The boot has had to carry two large dogs frequently and the plastic trim is showing some signs of wear due to scratches. The boot floor itself has two settings for depth and the carpet whilst hard-wearing is full of dog hair and mud. It took a good 3/4 of an hour recently to get most of it out. A load liner is a must, I would say if you carry animals.

She is on a service plan so i cannot advise on cost of the servicing.

Nothing has went wrong to date in the 12,000 miles it has covered. at 2.5 years old the front tyres (Bridgestones) are on 3-3.5 mm with the rears on 5mm from gentle driving.

The colour of the car is an unusual dark brown/purple metallic which is not standing up well to marks and scratches, especially at the rear hatch and bumper (dogs again!).

Noticable as I wash it now and again, is the fact that the alloys never seem to have any brake dust on them and the alloys are still in excellent condition. This has not always been my experience on Japanese cars.

I am not sure if I have missed anything or you want answers to other matters.

Let me know and I can only ask! :)

Also -

James Batchelor the journalist recently put out a six month review himself that may be useful if you haven't had a chance to see it:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkuSxJpOFjw

Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - Big John

Noticable as I wash it now and again, is the fact that the alloys never seem to have any brake dust on them and the alloys are still in excellent condition. This has not always been my experience on Japanese cars.

Interesting - that I think is more because of regenerative breaking being rather effective so the brake pads etc not required.

There is a lot to like about the Swace and it still has buttons/knobs to operate heating etc.The boot is also impressive. It's very refined especially the recent more powerful version and my friends who have recently acquired a new one are getting 60+mpg.. It's shod in 205 55 r16 tyres a size I currently have had on my current and previous Superbs and really like but found Brigestones didn't last long but I'm getting 35k+ miles out of a set of Michelin Crossclimates, they are quiet and the ride is sublime.

Unfortunately for me at 6ft 4" tall I just don't fit in the Swace, Or Corolla..

PS - Great review.

Edited by Big John on 29/02/2024 at 20:55

Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - gordonbennet

Thankyou so much for that excellent comprehensive write up Groaver, much appreciated, and please pass on our regards and thanks to your MiL for her thoughts and comments.

Swace or its Corolla twin was on the very likely this year plan, and we're hoping that's still the case, but there are changes now proposed at work which might see me retiring one way or another, so the plans pencilled in car wise may have to be postponed or shelved for the time being.

We would also go for the lower or mid spec, we both prefer switches for things like heating controls (Forester is excellent too, Japanese switchgear just works as it should) and that tyre size is probably one of the best available, very reasonable prices and enough sidewall for a compliant ride, which doesn't appear to be the case with the sportier higher spec models on low profiles.

Regarding the wheel condition, they're probably painted alloys and not those hopeless diamond cut and laquered things that look great for a week or two and awful after a couple of salty winters, indeed the original 17" alloys on our Forester are similarly plainted offerings and coming up to 16 years still as good as new, again sensible size tyres so no kerb damage.

Can't argue about your MiL's fuel figures, something that we'll be more concerned about possibly soon, for aformentioned reasons.

Do you, or she or anyone else, turn the regenerative braking off sometimes and give the brakes a bit of a work out, i understand rear discs in particular can suffer badly with corrosion because they seldom see any real use.

The only thing i don't like about them is the electric park brake (something we've never wanted and hoped to be able to avoid for the rest of our days), i'm trying to find more info about the system to see if sensible use of lubes and/or sealants or corrosion prevention could help prolong the life of the motors and linkages.

Edited by gordonbennet on 29/02/2024 at 21:17

Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - groaver

Yes, you are both correct about the Regen brakes "saving" the pads.

GB, as she is a mature lady, she won't have considered turning regen off as she won't be aware of it. I don't wish to complicate things for her either.

It had a service last month and they didn't pick up on corrosion on the rears.

Having washed it recently, I cannot say I noticed the discs to be in a poor condition either.

You are correct about the alloys. Both of my Mazdas are not diamond-cut. I really don't like them for the reasons you give plus I think they can sometimes look a bit flash (I suppose that is an alloy wheel's job these days).

Parking brakes are an invention for servicing agents but honestly, in three cars of differing makes, I haven't had any issues. VAG x2 and Mazda.

I envy you if your retirement isn't forced and you get to choose your time. :)

Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - Big John

I envy you if your retirement isn't forced and you get to choose your time. :)

Covid kind of "forced" my retirement in that when I stopped doing a stupid commute during lockdown I didn't want to go back to it!

Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - Ian_SW

GB, as she is a mature lady, she won't have considered turning regen off as she won't be aware of it. I don't wish to complicate things for her either.

Can regen braking even be turned off? I've been driving mine for 2 years now and haven't come across any way of doing that. The other reason why the brakes aren't used much is that when braking if regenerating can't slow the car enough, at high speed the transmission does its part as well - harsh braking at 40mph+ will cause the revs to go up significantly. It pretty much hit the red line when I had to slam the brakes on for a deer which came out of the hedge in front of me a few months back which was a bit disconcerting. The car stopped seriously quickly and fortunately before I hit the deer, which just stood there staring at me.....

To add my own review comments, I had one issue with mine in the last two years. This was a failed window regulator which seemed to flatten the battery too and necessitated an AA callout for a jump start (I could have done this myself from my wife's car but didn't want there to be any possibility of me being labelled as a possible cause for the battery issue). Everything was fixed under warranty without quibble by the very helpful dealer, including a replacement battery.

It drives exactly as I expected (like a Toyota Corolla!).

Good things;

1. It does 60mpg without much effort.

2. I find the seats really comfortable (though I'm smaller than the average adult male, so may not suit everyone else quite as well)

3. For a modern car, the "driver aids" (Lane assist, automatic emergency braking etc.) are fairly non-intrusive and work well.

4. The boot is surprisingly large for the external size of the car.

I have found a few minor annoyances though:

1. The auto hold has to be switched on every time you start the car, and after you put the seatbelt on.

2. The interior lights, if switched on don't automatically go off when the car is locked.

3. The warning noise (a strange whistling whine) when running in EV mode below 20mph is quite loud and horses really don't seem to like the sound of it coming up behind them (I don't own a horse - this is from my experience as a driver!)

4. It's really quite difficult to clean well, inside and out. This is mostly down to the large number of weird angles, nooks and crannies, creases etc. Getting all the flies off the front in the summer can take best part of half an hour if I want to do the job properly. The carpet in the boot is also difficult to hoover - bits of grass seem to get threaded through the carpet fibres and have to be picked out by hand.

5. When you use a USB stick to play music on the stereo, it plays album tracks in alphabetical order rather than in the order they are on the album - annoying with music, makes audio books impossible!!

6. The USB port only supports one device even if you use a splitter - so you can't have Android Auto and music off a USB stick at the same time.

Overall, for what was a bit of a distress purchase on my part (almost the only nearly new estate car I was able to get locally at short notice at a half decent price in the midst of the car supply crisis in early 2022) it's been pretty satisfactory.

You definitely have to learn to work with the transmission when driving to keep the revs down - a lot of the issue I found was that because the engine revs remain constant when accelerating it's easy to think the car isn't accelerating because the noise doesn't change and press the accelerator harder. When I first had the car, I found it easier to keep the revs down by turning the radio up so I stopped listening to what the engine was doing. "Normal" mode is also a not nicer to drive than "Eco" with no real difference in economy, "Eco" just deadens the throttle response to the point where you end up overcompensating and sending the revs sky high.

Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - gordonbennet

Many thanks too for your in depth additions there, Ian_SW.

The audio idiosyncracies wouldn't worry us, if it has no CD player the chances are i'll only use DAB commercial radio stations.

Odd about auto hold not being well auto on, though Toyota (which it is under the skin) have form for going against the grain with such things, 2008 on Avensis the dashboard electric park brake button worked opposite to every other electric park brake i've seen, ie push for on pull for release.

I'd quite forgotten about lane assist, its something i increasingly turn off in trucks (thankfully only lane departure warning and not lane assist, yet) because due to the width and length of the vehicles meaning regularly straying onto continuous white lines and the sensitivity of the system picking up seams and old markings in the road warning buzzers are forever going off, plus if the Swace/Corolla lane assist is one of those that tries to nudge the steering i'd want to be able to turn it off easily and possibly get it programmed out altogetther...hopefully an updated version of the software i use on my current Toyota would do the business.

Good point abut learning to get the best from the transmission and hybrid system, though anyone interested in their vehicles i would hope tries to become one with their vehicle.

I too, like SLO, would maybe have preferred the Corolla 1.2T petrol version for its simplicity, but neither SWMBO or i particular want to go back to manual transmission, we've had smooth as silk TC autos for the last 20 odd years in every car and i dislike how the manual VW group pool cars at work drive, i used one of daughter's Civics last year for a month and whilst a decent enough car considering its age and mileage that month confirmed i'd prefer not to go back to manual unless no other choice.

Much obliged for your input there Ian.

Edited by gordonbennet on 01/03/2024 at 06:32

Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - corax
I too, like SLO, would maybe have preferred the Corolla 1.2T petrol version for its simplicity, but neither SWMBO or i particular want to go back to manual transmission, we've had smooth as silk TC autos for the last 20 odd years in every car and i dislike how the manual VW group pool cars at work drive.

What don't you like? Are they mk3's*? I usually find that VAG are easy to drive. Is it just the manual box? Are they 2.0 diesels with a narrow power band?

*EDIT - Octavias

Edited by corax on 01/03/2024 at 13:12

Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - tim10597

A really helpful review, thank you! I am very tempted with one of these for my next car. My daughter has a Baleno which has been very good and whilst I know the Swace is very different, I think it would tick all the boxes I need in a car. Your review has pretty much confirmed that!

Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - SLO76
Very helpful review, thanks.

Left to my own devices I’d buy a used Corolla estate but I’d stick with the cheaper 1.2t instead as the hybrid adds a load of additional cost that only high mileage users will ever recoup and I prefer the 6 speed manual box over the hybrid transmission. They command a large premium over the manual petrol models due to demand from taxi fleets, which tells you all you need to know about how tough the things are. Taxi drivers truly test cars to destruction and they love these wee Toyota hybrids.

Sadly SWMBO dislikes the seats in Toyota’s (even though they’re nothing like those in my Avensis) and has also decreed that it’s too small so it’s off the shopping list.
Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - paul 1963

Thanks Groaver, nice review, Swace is on my list of 'what next'.

Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - groaver

Ian's review is far more helpful than mine as an actual user. :)

He's correct about the washing. I can say from personal experience that the bodywork has many unusual curves and creases that if you hurry, can quite easily be missed in parts.

As an aside, the Mazda CX-5 has the same flaw with the auto hold. Every time you start it, you need to press the button to switch it back on. The e-handbrake doesn't automatically come on when the engine switches off if auto hold isn't on either.

Finally, back to Suzuki, I looked on their UK website to see colours for the Swace and ended up swearing at the price of the Across (Rav 4). £50k!!

I note "used" ones on the website with £10k off them.

A car for a PCP/lease, not your own money.

Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - gordonbennet

Regarding washing cars, some years ago i invested a fair amount of money in a decent quality Kranzle pressure washer.

A good pressure washer is not headline max psi, you don't want to draw pencil thin lines of damaged paintwork and break rubber seals in light fittings, you want high water volume, preferably above 7 LPM, thus you can have a wide angle of steady spray, and the ability to feed through whatver chemicals and treatments you decide on.

I also use a long handled soft brush for agitation, the type where the bristles wrap almost all around the brush head (i could provide a link to show you the type of head that works wel if anyone wants), if you first blow whatever chemical detergents you prefer via the low pressure setting, literally 10 minutes later after a brief top down brushing you have got into every nook and cranny, i do use a soft specific wheels brush for the alloys, spray down with clean water job done.

After washing, probably every 4th wash i spray the bodywork (avoidng the windscreen) via a snow foam adaptor with Autoglym's Polar Seal, after rinsing that off the film its left on the car is as good as a wax polish and most road dirt doesn't stick, i used it on SWMBO visiting hairdressers car a black Audi SUV, they're old friends, she couldn't believe how long it delayed her car from needing washing again...you could apply this product via a garden sprayer if you prefer hand washing.

There are alternatives to Polar Seal from other makers, and i've bought Coat It via ebay which is Autoglyms 5 litre pack version of the similar product meant for pro valetters use.

Once set up two spotless cars in half an hour tops.

Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - groaver

I can thoroughly recommend Bilt Hamber's Touch-on for the after wash treatment. Amazing stuff.

Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - gordonbennet

I can thoroughly recommend Bilt Hamber's Touch-on for the after wash treatment. Amazing stuff.

Is that the same sort of product as www.autoglym.com/psl001-polar-seal.html

If you thought the price of Rav was high imagine the shock i had when i ventured into Toyota for some parts for my old Landcruiser lasy year, Hilux from £35k...we bought the top of range 3 litre auto Hilux in 2007 for £21/22k, to be fair they gave me a good discount because i delivered a lot of their new car stock to them and thankfully ordered the car literally days before Top Gear broadcast the North Pole trip, which changed everything re demand for new model Hilux.

Edited by gordonbennet on 01/03/2024 at 09:13

Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - groaver

I can thoroughly recommend Bilt Hamber's Touch-on for the after wash treatment. Amazing stuff.

Is that the same sort of product as www.autoglym.com/psl001-polar-seal.html

Yes. It does the same job.

BH's Double Speed wax is the best I have found for long-lasting beading.

Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - Heidfirst

As an aside, the Mazda CX-5 has the same flaw with the auto hold. Every time you start it, you need to press the button to switch it back on.

I suspect that it's mandated behaviour

Finally, back to Suzuki, I looked on their UK website to see colours for the Swace and ended up swearing at the price of the Across (Rav 4). £50k!!

Iirc Suzuki only offer the PHEV version of the RAV4 & in only 1 (high-end) trim?

Toyota offer 2 trims of RAV4 plug-in - 1 from ~£45k & 1 from ~£49k.

Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - Big John

I decided to test drive the Swace a while ago and really liked it despite me thinking I didn't fit - I think trying a friends car earlier I simply didn't adjust down the seat enough. Ok you wouldn't want to sit behind me! I found it really comfortable and for once the arm rests on centre console and door were in perfect position - being taller than average this is usually a problem for me especially re door as most B pillars are in the wrong position. Anyway I walked away as the price was tooooooo much for me - no budging re discount.

Anyway I knew that Suzuki are pulling many petrol cars and will only be selling petrol SUVs and electric cars from 2025 to avoid Gov fines - as many manufacturers are!

Fast forward a week or so and I had a call from the dealer I test drove the car at and was offered a stonking discount on the actual car I drove and they also told me Swace would be discontinued(at least they were honest). Mrs BJ and I were on holiday at the time and had to find a cafe to discuss over a coffee or two. I was originally going to keep my fabulous 2014 Superb(bought nearly new) for a few more years but I suspect it won't be possible to buy a new ICE car by then - decision made - deposit left over the phone.

The car was picked up a few days later and only had 26 miles on it.

OK my mini review after a few hundred miles trying various things:-

  • Some people hate the Toyota hybrid gubbins, some love it. I've decided I love it - I'm amazed how often it's in EV mode even on the open road.
  • Refinement is fab, even when not driven gently (silent!) if you engage sport mode and give it the beans it seems to pull really well with front wheels fighting for grip and the software seems to make the gear change more like a traditional TC box. Very unlike a Prius I drove years(decade?) ago. I find good progress can be made with gentle throttle settings.
  • I'd say wind and road noise is good - but my Superb was better re road noise, that may improve once I replace the Bridgestone tyres, in a few years. My Superb improved a lot when I fitted Michelin Crossclimates compared to the original Continentals.One other factor might be the Superb had a more substantial rear parcel shelf.
  • Comfort has exceeded expectations, had my first 3hr + journey - and wow.
  • Some hate the smaller 16" alloys - I like then as they look ok, aren't "cut" and are shod in 205/55 r16 tyres with amazing ride quality. My last two cars have had this size - I know they should last well.
  • Luggage space is excellent and you can configure the boot floor at two different heights. 1) On the upper position If you drop the rear seats (from the car or levers in boot) you get a flat load space all the way up to the front seats and there is useful space under the floor eg for folding camping chairs. 2) On the lower position there is more space with the seats up but there is a funny box thingy behind the back seats that initially gets in the way but I've found a way round it re packing.
  • As mentioned elsewhere the modern "gubbins" is not so in your face although mine is new enough to have a gentle beep if you go over the speed limit. The adaptive cruise is fabulous and works really well, even coming to a near halt if it has to. If you totally stop as a safety feature it does ask you to touch the throttle or a button. I liked it when coming down a steep hill as well on cruise where it ramped up regen to keep you down to the speed indicated and then engages engine braking if that's not enough. If you hold the +/- minus speed buttons you can change speed in bigger jumps eg 5mph. Handy when moving in / out of different speed limits.
  • Mine is a 2024 and Android Auto is wireless (earlier ones needed USB C cable. Initially I though I dropped Android Auto a couple of times but my phone had a big Android update and it's been perfect since. I'm a Tomtom fan and that works well over Android Auto but Google maps works well especially with the "satellite image" mode although it uses a fair bit of phone data (ok for me). It works well along side other apps such as Borrowbox (audio books) , Amazon Music, Scala etc eg Borrowbox briefly pauses if satnav needs to announce.
  • DAB/FM radio works ok but it's not intuitive and complex to get to once running Android Auto - I've found the best way is to set favorite presets which then can be accessed easily by the right hand steering wheel buttons.
  • Auto wipers / lights work well but as yet I've not driven at night so can't comment re LED headlight performance.
  • Nice big door mirrors!
  • Ooh the reversing camera - put it this way I'll never buy a new car without one going forward.
  • Economy - er fabulous theoretically , currently showing 69.8mpg over the last 363 miles. I'm not sure about range yet , when I first got it and filled up it showed only 414miles range but car from new had only been test drive a few miles by me!! That seems to be going up and up though - currently one bar under half full and have driven 363 miles, We shall see. I'll do a few full tank to full tank measurements for a while to see how it's doing - but I'll soon get bored of that!
  • Motion model doesn't have keyless entry which is perfect as far as I'm concerned - Ultra does. Obviously it's a push button to power up.

I don't change cars very often - usually every decade or so. I've usually bought end of range models for cash at a knockdown price - This has worked well for me. My decade old Superb owned for 9.5 years has only effectively cost £75/month capital over that period. I do less miles now so I might get more years out of it and of course economy looks considerably better - but time will tell.

Sorry about the war and peace but I hope some of this helps.

Edited by Big John on 23/07/2024 at 00:14

Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - paul 1963

What a great report John, thank you very much, totally agree about reverse cameras, a genuinely useful gadget, we did consider a swace but our local family run dealer never had a demonstration car available, apparently selling very well plus swmbo loved the new swift!

It'll be our third Suzuki, never given a moments trouble, trust yours will be the same.

Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - Big John

l plus swmbo loved the new swift!

Sadly the Swift is being phased out as well!

Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - mcb100
‘ Sadly the Swift is being phased out as well!’

Suzuki have just launched a new Swift, so it’ll be around for a few years yet.
Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - gordonbennet

Nice report there Big John, many thanks, congrats on the new car and well bought.

Following the MOT failure of the Forester earlier in the year (rear shockers), there was a very well priced super low mileage Swace at Bury St Edmunds which i offered SWMBO if she wanted, nope turned me down flat, doesn't want a nice car due to dogs and she'd be worried about parking it anywhere.

So basically we're still where we were.

Landcruiser and Forester, luckily LPG for the Foz is no longer difficult to get though it gone up in price somewhat, she wants to keep the LC as long as possible and to be truthful its likely to see me out despite being 19 years old now, we'll see what new taxes measures and penalties for failing to do their bidding the latest identi-regime in govt come up with to force us to get rid of it, still going to say no :-)

Work issues are all sorted, if anything better than ever, i know people have been condtioned to distrust them but a good well supported union is worth every penny of your dues, probably more important now than its ever been.

Suzuki Swace - Some views as requested by GB - Big John
Suzuki have just launched a new Swift, so it’ll be around for a few years yet.

Thanks for that. For the benefit of this thread it's the Swift Sport that's being discontinued.