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Car tyre - how many to change - Rusties

A bit of advice please .

This morning got a puncture in my front right wheel due to a piece of wood with 4 screws left in the middle of the road. Took it to get repaired and was charged £10, but only after fixing said it was a temp fix as it is in the sidewall , he then offered to sell me a used tire for £25.

The rear tyres were recently changed, and the front ones had have around 4mm of tread left, which I was hoping would last until winter.

What's the best option to save money without costing me more in the long run :

buying the used tire for £25

replacing only one front tyre with a new one

Or changing both front tyres with new ones? Here is a photo of the plug

Car tyre - how many to change - Adampr

If your only aim is to save money, but the used one. Personally, I would bite the bullet and buy two new ones but that's not a luxury everyone can afford.

Car tyre - how many to change - Ian_SW

Repairing the tyre and then saying it's only a temporary fix seems a bit odd to me. I've had punctures repaired and also puncture repairs refused due to the position of the nail/screw. £10 would be very cheap for a proper puncture repair these days though - my last one at an "under the arches" type place about 4 years ago was £25.

In terms of whether to go for used or new tyres, it's a tricky question. Used tyres tend to have a bit of a "dodgy" reputation, but just because a tyre has previously been on another car doesn't necessarily mean its dangerous. On a very tight budget, a used premium brand tyre (Michelin, Continental etc.) with a decent amount of life left in it may well be a better option than a brand new no-name budget tyre. As a general rule, budget tyres seem to be one of two types - either tyres which grip OK but wear out really quickly, or are so hard that they never wear out but have dangerously low levels of grip in the wet.

Car tyre - how many to change - bathtub tom

IME, used tyres are either puncture repair jobs, or very little tread left. A 'temporary' repair to the side wall isn't permitted and I suspect he's throwing you a line so you purchase another tyre.

Car tyre - how many to change - Bolt

As its a plug/s, as far as I know they are temp and tyre/s should be replaced asap, I think there is a restriction on the amount of repairs or plugs in a certain area of tyre

imo I wouldn`t trust second hand tyres and never recommended any to any one, best buy new as they are the only contact with the road.

Car tyre - how many to change - Rusties

here is a photo of the plug

i.ibb.co/PrZCx06/tyre.jpg

All 4 wheels are Goodyear efficientgrip performance 2

which is around £85 on blackcirlces

can get a budget for £50

my local tyre shop said they have part worns in near new condition with 7mm big names at £30 .

When I phoned halfords they said to change both the front as the different tread depths can lead to issues -

If I had the cash I would get a new one but at the moment quite tight especially as I was not expecting to spend nearly £100 extra this month.

Edited by Rusties on 19/06/2023 at 18:39

Car tyre - how many to change - Adampr

Isn't that a Bridgestone tyre?

In any case, given your situation, I would ask the tyre shop if they can get you a tyre that matches the make, model and approximate tread depth of its counterpart. Just check the expiry date and that there's no cracking or bulging.

Edited by Adampr on 19/06/2023 at 19:13

Car tyre - how many to change - bathtub tom

here is a photo of the plug

i.ibb.co/PrZCx06/tyre.jpg

I don't think that should have ever been repaired, due to its proximity to the sidewall.

my local tyre shop said they have part worns in near new condition with 7mm big names at £30 .

Yeah, right. Take a tyre tread depth gauge with you. Anyone who would repair that tyre has got to be a cowboy.

Edited by bathtub tom on 19/06/2023 at 19:11

Car tyre - how many to change - Bolt

I don't think that should have ever been repaired, due to its proximity to the sidewall.

No,it shouldn`t have been repaired they should have advised a new tyre, trouble is with part worns you do not know the history and as you cannot see inside the rubber its hard to know if any damage has occurred until its too late

I would still advise new- never part worns....

Car tyre - how many to change - Rusties

thanks , he did the repair I think because he gave me two prices - one if he did not take the wheel off and the other if he did ( 7 or 10 ) . While talking he removed the wheel ran some water off the damage and then plugged it then said £10 said it should get me home ( around 2 miles away ) . I there was I think a language barrier Ias he said to come back the next day for the part worn .

So a new budget tyre for the front would be the better option than a named part worn ? Cant afford to change both at the moment .

Car tyre - how many to change - edlithgow

That appears to be one of the "sticky string" type plugs, which tends to be confirmed by him not removing the tyre.

I wouldn't pay anyone to do that, because the kits cost next to nothing (here in Taiwan) and its trivially easy to do.

I did loads of them on my previous car here (Sierra DOHC 2L which seemed to pick up a lot of nails) and didn't have any problem with the repairs.

That location does look a bit marginal though.

If you replace the tyres with new you have to put them on the back (and therefore swap the back ones to the front. Part worns (if they are as or more worn than your rear tyres) would avoid this. Halfords should have told you this but I'm only mildly surprised they didn't.

I'd get the part-worns in The Yook, where they are relatively cheap,

Here in Taiwan, if you do typical mileage, they don't make so much sense because they are pricier, but I still get them because my tyres are likely to age out before they wear out, and are likely to last longer than the car anyway.

Car tyre - how many to change - FoxyJukebox
Bite the bullet and get 2 new tyres-don’t muck about.
Car tyre - how many to change - Greendean

Yeah sometimes in trying to repair something for the shorter option it ends up costing you more, I do think it is unusual for this to be even repaired to begin with though. Judging by the photo i would probably change both front tyres with the new one then you don't have to worry about it for awhile.

Car tyre - how many to change - Bolt

Yeah sometimes in trying to repair something for the shorter option it ends up costing you more, I do think it is unusual for this to be even repaired to begin with though. Judging by the photo i would probably change both front tyres with the new one then you don't have to worry about it for awhile.

I`m not so sure its legal either as only the middle 70% of tread area is allowed to be patched iirc?.

Car tyre - how many to change - Rusties

Thanks for the comments - will get a pair of new ones ordered just to be on the safe side once I get paid -

Car tyre - how many to change - Big John

As well as the poor / illegal repair the tyre itself is badly cracked as well. Replace both tyres with new and don't use the worn tyre place you've already been to! Get some online tyre quotes Blackcircles, Tyreshopper, Kwick fit (yes sometimes some good online prices/offers).

I remember having to do a full on 70 to zero emergency stop on the A1, fortunately with a full set of newish Continental ts850s at the time - so other than the need for a change of underwear. the outcome was good. I think if I'd had mismatched / poor condition tyres the outcome would have been rather different.

Edited by Big John on 21/06/2023 at 08:58

Car tyre - how many to change - John F

What's the best option to save money without costing me more in the long run :

buying the used tire for £25

replacing only one front tyre with a new one

Or changing both front tyres with new ones?

Probably none of these three options. The fourth would be to do as I did after repairing a similar tiny puncture in the front tyre of my Audi A8 with a do-it-yourself plug kit. I continued to drive normally until the tyre was sufficiently worn to need replacement. I did however swap the front wheels for the rear wheels, because in the remote possibility of a repair failure the car would have been easier to control. Indeed, I once followed a car with a completely flat rear tyre whose driver was completely unaware of its detumescence.

There's a lot of nonsense talked about the danger of tyres suddenly and unexpectedly deflating. Not many people realise that the substantial wall of a car tyre, plugged or unplugged, contains a feeble low pressure (usually 30-40psi); a fraction of that of a more vulnerable thin bicycle tyre (usually 60 - 100psi). Truck tyres are usually well over 100psi.

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Edited by Xileno on 21/06/2023 at 18:50

Car tyre - how many to change - Bolt

There's a lot of nonsense talked about the danger of tyres suddenly and unexpectedly deflating.

Might I suggest if anyones talking nonsense its you, and it would be nice if you didn`t suggest that what has been said IS, maybe you have not seen what can happen to cracked tyres and badly repaired tyres, in which case please do not make out its nonsense when you have no idea what can happen to a tyre...

Car tyre - how many to change - skidpan

More dangerous advice from the usual source.

Avant warned him, you have warned, when will something be done?

Car tyre - how many to change - Xileno

John F's views and maintenance advice are based on what he believes and what he would do and not what others should necessarily think or do.

Since 2005 there's been a disclaimer in the top 'sticky' thread regarding advice from anyone. A year or so ago I copied it to all forums as it was originally only in Technical.

"The advice and opinions given here are freely-given by individual posters in their free time, and are just that - non-expert advice and opinions. The advice and opinions are NOT those of anyone else in the Heycar/HJ organisation including the Moderators.

Should you choose to follow any piece of advice, take or not take a particular course of action, then you do so at your own risk.

No-one should attempt a repair, particularly one involving a potential risk of injury (or even fire), unless they have the appropriate ability and experience.


If you have a doubt or the issue is significant, then you should get a professional opinion first.

The advice here is pretty good, but it's not guaranteed."

Car tyre - how many to change - skidpan

The advice here is pretty good, but it's not guaranteed.

So why not put a special disclaimer on JohnF's special brand of nonsense?

Surely its irresponsible to allow such dangerous advice to be on this (or any) forum.

Avant knew this, why don't the current moderators appreciate the same?

Car tyre - how many to change - badbusdriver

The advice here is pretty good, but it's not guaranteed.

So why not put a special disclaimer on JohnF's special brand of nonsense?

Surely its irresponsible to allow such dangerous advice to be on this (or any) forum.

Avant knew this, why don't the current moderators appreciate the same?

If you look on the internet, you will find "proof" of pretty much anything, including that the Earth is flat. We can't really account for who or what anyone else chooses to believe.

Most posts prior to John F's have been pretty clearly of the opinion that the tyre should not have been repaired. If you feel it is so dangerous, surely your ire should be directed at the tyre place who effected the repair?. Personally, I don't feel there is much danger unless the OP either drives flat out all the time, leaves the repaired tyre on the front, or both. If the repaired tyre (and the other front) are swapped to the back, and the OP drives sensibly, I don't see there being much risk*.

Also bear in mind the OP has hinted that money is very tight (as it is for many at the moment). but will be getting a pair of new tyres as soon as funds allow.

*Many years ago I took a Saab 9000 turbo for fuel and gave it a quick blast along the dual carriageway to the next roundabout and back to the garage (maybe two miles in total). Just before turning back into the garage, someone I knew on a motorbike was gesticulating at the back of the car. Turned out the rear tyre was flat, never noticed from behind the wheel..........!

Car tyre - how many to change - Xileno

I can't see that as moderators we can go any further otherwise we get accused of censorship. As mentioned, since 2005 there has been a disclaimer and a while ago it was copied to all forums by one of us, I think it was me. We are all personally liable for what we write, if there were any comeback against the website it would be the poster that gets their neck felt. This is not new, it's all in the T&C members signed up to.

Given that the OP has said they "will get a pair of new ones ordered just to be on the safe side once I get paid" it seems their decision is made and therefore there's nothing further to add. That being the case it's time to close this one.

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