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Large SUV - Best mpg Large SUV - Cheryl42

Looking for some advice here. We currently have a 2015 Audi A4 Avant which we love, but we are looking to trade in for a large SUV. My partner and I have both suffered back issues recently and think an SUV would benefit. My instinct was the Audi Q5 but I see that it is very heavy and therefore not very fuel efficient. Tax is also costly. We have 2x200 mile journeys each week and 3-4 times per year we make a near 600 mile round trip to visit my family. So the miles are high therefore mpg and running costs are important to us, as well as comfort. Does anyone have any suggestions?

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Kia Sportage. Hyundai Tucson and myself have a Ssangyong 2021 Korando. all will do close to 40MpG on a long trip as long as you are driving with a light right foot.

My wife and I both love the comfort in the seats in the previous Sportage and the seats in the Korando are great. Ved is reasonable on all three, but go for petrol..

Kia has a 7 year warranty from new, Hyundai and Ssangyong 5 years. (subject to on time serviing on all of them. For comfort buy on the 16" or 17" wheels on the kia and hyundai.

The Korando should be Ventura spec to get most f the toys.

Large SUV - Best mpg Large SUV - Adampr

It depends slightly on how big you need and want you think of as reasonable economy.

If you like VAG products, a Skoda Kodiaq is basically a more comfortable Q5. A SEAT Tarraco is pretty much the same thing too, but will have harder (sorry, sportier) suspension.

The same is true of the Skoda Karoq, Audi Q3 and Seat Areca. My Karoq has plenty of space for four and a decent sized boot. MPG is about 42 (it's a 1.5 TSI).

The Korean models mentioned are likely to be cheaper and more reliable than VAG but perhaps not as well finished inside.

Also consider Japanese models, like the Mazda CX5 (not diesel) and Honda CRV. If you can afford it, a Toyota RAV4 hybrid might tick all your boxes. Lexus SUVs (I can't remember which is which) are a bit posher if you like the aesthetic.

Large SUV - Best mpg Large SUV - Cheryl42

Thank you. Sorry but what is VAG? We don’t want an electric vehicle/hybrid.

Large SUV - Best mpg Large SUV - Adampr

Thank you. Sorry but what is VAG? We don’t want an electric vehicle/hybrid.

Volkswagen Audi Group.

If you want fuel efficiency over long journeys, you choices are either diesel or hybrid. Diesels are a bit of a dying breed, so Is suggest avoiding if you're planning to sell the car in future (as opposed to keeping it until it's done) or driving in any major cities (where it may not be allowed in future).

'Self-charging' hybrids are no different to 'normal vehicles' except they cost more to buy and use less fuel.

Large SUV - Best mpg Large SUV - Cheryl42

Thank you, space in the shortage looks ok but we were after a 2l diesel.

Large SUV - Best mpg Large SUV - badbusdriver

Thank you, space in the shortage looks ok but we were after a 2l diesel.

So get a 2.0 diesel Sportage then.

Why 2.0 though?. I can understand someone wanting a certain amount of power or performance, but saying you want a certain size of engine makes no sense because not all engines of the same size produce the same power.

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I would not go below 2.0 either, just dont trust high stress low capacity engines.
Large SUV - Best mpg Large SUV - badbusdriver
I would not go below 2.0 either, just dont trust high stress low capacity engines.

The amount of stress an engine is under has very little to do with its size and very much to do with its specific output. What that means is that a 1.5 litre 150bhp engine is no more highly stressed than a 3.0 300bhp engine. Even then, how much stress the engine is being put under is dependant on how it is being driven.

I'm not aware of what age of Sportage the OP is looking at, but assuming a late previous shape (up to 2021), the diesel options are 1.6 or 2.0. The 2.0 is making 91bhp per litre, the 1.6 is making just under 84bhp per litre. So the 2.0 is in a higher state of tune and therefore under higher stress than the 1.6.

Large SUV - Best mpg Large SUV - Cheryl42

Sorry, I thought they were only available in 1.5l

Large SUV - Best mpg Large SUV - mcb100
Toyota of Lexus hybrid for me, any day of the week.
As long as it’s not a plug-in hybrid you just put petrol in and drive them.
As close to cast iron reliability as you’ll find anywhere, petrol is much cheaper than diesel, lower noxious emissions and you’ll spend probably 50% of your time (certainly around town) running on electric.
You have to say though, that if you’re looking at large SUV’s, it’s probably better to say ‘least worst economy’, rather than ‘best economy’.
Large SUV - Best mpg Large SUV - Cheryl42

Yes, I know we will take a hit on running costs compared to the Audi A4.

Large SUV - Best mpg Large SUV - Andrew-T

Yes, I know we will take a hit on running costs compared to the Audi A4.

The basic question (apart from comfortable seats) depends on whether you are thinking Diesel to save money or to save carbon - plus the possible cost of repairing a modern diesel.

Unless you are strapped for cash (and I don't think so, in view of the original query) these days you should look to save carbon rather than money. My workday car is a Pug 1.6 HDi, which just completed a round trip of 540+ miles giving 67mpg (only about 50 M'way miles included). I have had it 15 years and it will probably do a few more.

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We have 2x200 mile journeys each week and 3-4 times per year we make a near 600 mile round trip

For this type of mileage, a diesel car still makes sense, in spite of all the bad press diesel gets.

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Thank you. I have found a Toyota RAV4 2.0l diesel that’s nearby, might go and test drive tomorrow.

Large SUV - Best mpg Large SUV - Cheryl42
Also, what about a Volvo XC60/90?
Large SUV - Best mpg Large SUV - badbusdriver
Also, what about a Volvo XC60/90?

You'd have to assume very comfortable seats, but it does seem that under Chinese ownership, Volvo reliability is not what it once was. Also, be aware that all controls are within the touchscreen, including heating/ventilation (though you can use voice control)

Re the 2.0 diesel RAV4, I believe these use a BMW engine which isn't that well regarded for reliability.

Though if buying pretty much any modern diesel 2nd hand, there is always the risk that you will end up paying big money to have the DPF sorted due to previous owners only using it for short urban runs.

Large SUV - Best mpg Large SUV - Cheryl42

Thank you. Yes I have heard they are the most adjustable seats!

Large SUV - Best mpg Large SUV - sammy1

So called eco warriors are still attacking large SUVs in many parts of the country. In Bristol they have targeted tyres and lately sprayed eco messages on the vehicles. Some regard the sheer size of SUVs as being just unsuitable for the roads in some parts of country. Vandalising peoples property and just obstructing others going about their daily lives is just not acceptable but only the two who climbed the Dartford Bridge seem to have suffered any real punishment

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The same people that think a medium sized SUV is too big for our roads will happily go and sit on a bus or coach in a city centre.
Large SUV - Best mpg Large SUV - badbusdriver

The same people that think a medium sized SUV is too big for our roads.......

In relation to the amount of occupants

........will happily go and sit..........

Along with many other passengers.

........on a bus or coach in a city centre.

Which is following a timetable, going where it is going anyway. So they are not adding to the congestion by taking a car of heir own.

- London calling

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Edited by London calling on 26/04/2023 at 08:14

Large SUV - Best mpg Large SUV - Engineer Andy

Looking for some advice here. We currently have a 2015 Audi A4 Avant which we love, but we are looking to trade in for a large SUV. My partner and I have both suffered back issues recently and think an SUV would benefit. My instinct was the Audi Q5 but I see that it is very heavy and therefore not very fuel efficient. Tax is also costly. We have 2x200 mile journeys each week and 3-4 times per year we make a near 600 mile round trip to visit my family. So the miles are high therefore mpg and running costs are important to us, as well as comfort. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Do SUVs actually have 'better' suspension that gives a smoother ride, or is it just more robust because the cars are heavier, higher sided higher centre of gavity and thus need a more robust suspension, i.e. the suspension components do not last any longer than a normal car shod on similar wheels and tyres.

I think that too many 'normies' regard SUVs as off roaders with road manners, when in reality most of them aren't and would not do well off road except 4x4 versions shod on proper off road tyres with a decent sidewall height, which very few SUVs are. Most ordinary cars have much better manners on-road than SUVs.

If I were the OP, I'd look for cars that gave all their spacial and driving requirements irrespective of whether its and SUV or 'normal' car (hatch, saloon / fastback or estate), including how it rides over poor surfaces, the seat comfort / driving ergonomics (a thorogh test drive on different types of roads / speeds is warranted) and looking for a car with decent reliability.

If buying new, then diesels are not anywhere near the problem buying second hand might be, given it won't have been driven by someone else with the possibility of the DPF getting clogged up / oil dilution via previous usage predominantly on short journeys from cold with unfinished active DPF regens.

Technically even the Mazda CX-5 2.2 diesel might be in play in that scenario, although there are more reliable diesel units for other makes ot there. Shame, as the CX-5 is otherwise a fine car in most respects.

If the OP is specifically looking for a decent ride - as well as reducing their running costs over the medium to longer term, then they should also look at what wheel and tyre combinations the cars they look at have - small-er (in relation to the 'bling' large diameter alloy wheels and higher profile (which gives a higher sidewall) tyres will give a much better ride quality than larger wheels and lower profile (lower sideall tyres) for the same overall rolling diameter of the tyre.

Advantages

  • Tyres and wheels less susceptible to damage form potholes, kerbing, etc;
  • Softer ride quality and it takes more pressure off the suspension parts, which then will last longer;
  • Most high-er (relatively speaking) tyres are normally a bitter narrower and thus will have a lower rolling resistance, which gives a bit better mpg, as well as better grip on snow and better aquaplaning resistance in the wet;
  • Both wheels and tyres (see above points) of this type (size profile) will thus last a good deal longer and require replacement much less often, plus they mostly are a lot cheaper than the larger diameter wheels ' low profile, wider tyres, thus you can save a LOT of money over the lifetime of the car on repairs and replacments of tyres, wheels and suspension parts.

Disadvantages

  • Grip and handling abilities in normal conditions (not snow) not as good as the lower profile tyres, though seemingly more noticeable on higher-sided / higher centre of gravity vehicles like SUVs and MPVs than 'ordinary' cars;
  • They don't look as good as larger wheels/low profil tyres, except perhaps on proper off-roaders.

In my view, some SUVs (and some makes of car) often rely too heavily these days on the 'safety' systems like traction and stability control, as well as being shod on big wheels and low profile tyres with a firm suspension to overcome inherrant below par handling charactiertics.

This, in turn, often leads to poor ride comfort and/or tyres, alloy wheels and suspension parts needing to be replaced far more often the should be (see above), which adds a significant amount to the running costs of the vehicles.

Note also that SUVs are less fuel efficient than a 'normal' car with similar load / passenger-carrying capabilities and similar engines, because they are mostly heavier and have a poorer aerodynnamic profile. They also cost more (normally averaging between 5-10%) to buy.

I would also advocate getting decent quality all-season tyres the first time they need changing, ones appropriate for the area you do most of your driving in. They are normally a softer compound than standard 'summer' tyres, which means they will give a quiter ride generally, at the cost of a bit worse mpg, but mostly better grip in the wet and especially when the weather is below around 7degC and very much on snow.

They do last a bit less than a summer tyre and are about 20-30% more expensive, but if combined with a higher sidewall type, that more than cancels that downside in those respects, plus the better grip in poor weather.

I changed my aged Mazda3's OEM 16in alloy wheels and 205/55 R16 summer tyres (sidewall 112.75mm high) to 15in alloys (still Mazda) and 195/65 R15 Michelin CC+ all season tyres (sidewall 126.75mm high) and never looked back - even just going down one wheel size and compensating with the extra sidewall made a big difference to the ride quality, and thus far has mean less suspension parts replacements since it was done in 2018 despite the car being then 12 years old.

When I buy a replacement car, I will make sure it comes shod on sensible wheels and tyres (my Mazda's original ones weren't that bad - many cars now are shod on 215/45 R18 tyres as standard, sidewall height only 96.75mm) like the latest Mazda3 on 205/60 R16 (123mm H). 50 profile an absolute minimum - better if the tyres are wide, preferably 55-65 profile. Most car makes give 'standard advise' wheel and tyre combinations each car can 'take' in the handbook or on a plate on the driver's door/frame.

Remember to get a nice long test drive on a variety of different road/surface types that you regularly use, and make sure you get the seat/steering wheel adjusted the best you can for all drivers when testing each car, as not doing either can give a false result and lead to buyer's regret (and a lot of ££ down the drain if you have to change the car).

Best of luck.

Large SUV - Best mpg Large SUV - madf

In N Staffs where I live large SUVs are a total waste of money unless used as a trade vehicle.

Why?

They are too big for the type of road on which they excel: road roads. Local rough roads are all single track round here. Big SUVs are too wide.

Tradespeople driving 4x4 pickups know this and use wider roads.. eg A roads. And use winter or Mud tyres: not summer tyres.

The i****s who do drive on single track roads in SUVs don't dare go into the soft verges (muddy or deep or both) so I have to (Cross Climate tyres so ok) And they cannot reverse 100 meters - or refuse to do so - to the prior passing space.

Large SUV - Best mpg Large SUV - Cheryl42

Thank you.