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TCSS is a dual clutch automated manual transmission. And while some are better than others in terms of reliability, it certainly isn't a type of automatic I'd be too keen on getting. Too complex for their own good.
I'd imagine 80+ % of people who think they need 4wd could actually manage perfectly well in a 2wd car equipped with decent quality all season or winter tyres.
So can't say for certain if you do, but I suspect you probably could. And as you are thinking about it yourself, presumably you feel the same way.
As for what you should get, we'd need more info about what the car has to do in order to make useful suggestions.
Re LPG, as it isn't anything like as common or popular as it once was, I'd be looking closely at availability in your area before going any further down that particular road.
You also seem to be fixated on efficiency, but unless you do big miles (15k +), this is unlikely to be as big a factor as reliability.
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I'd imagine 80+ % of people who think they need 4wd could actually manage perfectly well in a 2wd car equipped with decent quality all season or winter tyres.
I wonder what percentage of car buyers think they need 4wd? Unless they are farmers or vets, I think 99% of UK car buyers could manage perfectly well with 2wd. Unless you are a petrolhead enthusiast, 4wd is a needless and expensive facility. Indeed, it often detracts from the functionality of the vehicle in that the body design has to incorporate the extra mechanical bits, even if they are not offered in 2wd versions, e.g. Audi Q2. This can result in a waste of space and a higher floor. One of the reasons we chose our Peugeot 2008 was its front 2wd design, enabling easy access to the low lip-free rear loading area.
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I'd imagine 80+ % of people who think they need 4wd could actually manage perfectly well in a 2wd car equipped with decent quality all season or winter tyres.
I wonder what percentage of car buyers think they need 4wd? Unless they are farmers or vets, I think 99% of UK car buyers could manage perfectly well with 2wd. Unless you are a petrolhead enthusiast, 4wd is a needless and expensive facility. Indeed, it often detracts from the functionality of the vehicle in that the body design has to incorporate the extra mechanical bits, even if they are not offered in 2wd versions, e.g. Audi Q2. This can result in a waste of space and a higher floor. One of the reasons we chose our Peugeot 2008 was its front 2wd design, enabling easy access to the low lip-free rear loading area.
To be fair, some people who live in very rural areas (especially if their home is down an unpaved road or one that is regularly used by farm vehicles) may need a 4WD vehicle, but often a better choice of car to suit the locale and wheel & (type and size of) tyre is often a far cheaper way of achieving the same or even a better outcome than just buying 'any' 4WD car.
Narrow cars or ones with a decent amount of ground clearance can also be useful.
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I'd imagine 80+ % of people who think they need 4wd could actually manage perfectly well in a 2wd car equipped with decent quality all season or winter tyres.
I wonder what percentage of car buyers think they need 4wd? Unless they are farmers or vets, I think 99% of UK car buyers could manage perfectly well with 2wd. Unless you are a petrolhead enthusiast, 4wd is a needless and expensive facility. Indeed, it often detracts from the functionality of the vehicle in that the body design has to incorporate the extra mechanical bits, even if they are not offered in 2wd versions, e.g. Audi Q2. This can result in a waste of space and a higher floor. One of the reasons we chose our Peugeot 2008 was its front 2wd design, enabling easy access to the low lip-free rear loading area.
There's a lot of car features that most of us don't actually need, - but freedom of choice allows us to pay for features we think are desirable.
Let's all buy a Toyota Aygo - no-one "needs" anything more!
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Here here. We arent communists, we can have what we want (if we work for it) as opposed to being focused purely on need.
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Here here. We arent communists, we can have what we want (if we work for it) as opposed to being focused purely on need.
Agree with you both, we already have enough with policians and other professional busybodies wanting to dictate everything about our lives, i for one just want to be left alone.
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Here here. We arent communists, we can have what we want (if we work for it) as opposed to being focused purely on need.
Well, some of us are. But we can't "have what we want" (even if we could afford it) anyway. We can have what they sell, and since I don't need it, I don't want it.
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I'd imagine 80+ % of people who think they need 4wd could actually manage perfectly well in a 2wd car equipped with decent quality all season or winter tyres.
I wonder what percentage of car buyers think they need 4wd? Unless they are farmers or vets, I think 99% of UK car buyers could manage perfectly well with 2wd. Unless you are a petrolhead enthusiast, 4wd is a needless and expensive facility. Indeed, it often detracts from the functionality of the vehicle in that the body design has to incorporate the extra mechanical bits, even if they are not offered in 2wd versions, e.g. Audi Q2. This can result in a waste of space and a higher floor. One of the reasons we chose our Peugeot 2008 was its front 2wd design, enabling easy access to the low lip-free rear loading area.
In the Imperial War Museum, there's an LRDG truck that was found abandoned deep in the Libyan(?) desert and recovered to the UK.
Its just as they found it, no paint, rotted tyres, but still some oil caking the sump. I think its the most effective exhibit they have.
2WD drive Chevrolet.
When I was in Morocco in the 80's you could buy very similar looking locally assembled trucks brand new, with paint and suchlike brand-newness, but I doubt you still can.
Edited by edlithgow on 01/01/2023 at 11:19
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I'd imagine 80+ % of people who think they need 4wd could actually manage perfectly well in a 2wd car equipped with decent quality all season or winter tyres.
I wonder what percentage of car buyers think they need 4wd? Unless they are farmers or vets, I think 99% of UK car buyers could manage perfectly well with 2wd. Unless you are a petrolhead enthusiast, 4wd is a needless and expensive facility. Indeed, it often detracts from the functionality of the vehicle in that the body design has to incorporate the extra mechanical bits, even if they are not offered in 2wd versions, e.g. Audi Q2. This can result in a waste of space and a higher floor. One of the reasons we chose our Peugeot 2008 was its front 2wd design, enabling easy access to the low lip-free rear loading area.
In the Imperial War Museum, there's an LRDG truck that was found abandoned deep in the Libyan(?) desert and recovered to the UK.
Its just as they found it, no paint, rotted tyres, but still some oil caking the sump. I think its the most effective exhibit they have.
2WD drive Chevrolet.
When I was in Morocco in the 80's you could buy very similar looking locally assembled trucks brand new, with paint and suchlike brand-newness, but I doubt you still can.
Both the LRDG and SAS used 2wd trucks because they were lighter than their 4wd alternatives and therefore easier to dig out of the sand when they did get stuck - the SAS then moved onto Willys jeeps, which were 4wd but lightweight.
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In the Imperial War Museum, there's an LRDG truck that was found abandoned deep in the Libyan(?) desert and recovered to the UK.......2WD drive Chevrolet. .
Both the LRDG and SAS used 2wd trucks because they were lighter than their 4wd alternatives and therefore easier to dig out of the sand when they did get stuck
When crossing the Sahara on my way home from Zambia I remember proceeding in our 2wd Toyota Crown on its widish tyres past 4wd Land Rovers which the on-board beardies had dug themselves in up to their axles. (That was the easy bit - but 2wd even got us through Zaire up to the Central African Republic) You really do not need 4wd in the UK.....although my W12 Audi would be a bit twitchy without it.
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I'd think range (The R in LRDG) and carrying capacity would be very important, since they went out a long way and were out there for a long time, and provided support for other units such as the SAS.
AFAIK, British military vehicles of the time (even tanks) were exclusively petrol rather than diesel, and a big petrol 4WD would have been rather thirsty
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Car would be used mainly for work (NHS) and just around town. Maybe one or two long trips a year.
Do around 10k miles I would estimate. Estimated monthly cost on swift all grip new shape £90.90 based on 154p a litre. Current car diesel I would say I pay double that and that's using Costco.
Need something reliable and want to lower the fuel cost and insurance cost. Other considerations parts prices and tyres. I can't even get all season or winter for my rear axle size. And cheapest I've seen are £180 each.
And need it to be able to be used in bad conditions.
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LpG wise. There is a supermarket garage near me currently 70 odd pence. Has crossed my mind though what if they stop selling it
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Also considering swift all grip. Previous and new version. Ignis all grip. Vitara all grip. Peugeot 2008, or ditching all grip/4wd for LPG Dacia
I had the previous generation swift 4x4, fine car, the 4x4 system on mine was automatic, handled like a go kart, nothing broke in the 3 years I had it, currently have a mild hybrid Vitara although 2wd it still grips well and we find it very comfortable and quiet, goes well as well!
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Read fiestas do ok in bad weather due to safety systems and 15 wheels. But bad reliability rating
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Bought swift all grip 2019 reg. Pick up Tuesday. Thanks for all input
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