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How will this affect the ordinary motorist ? - Euro 7 to be introduced 2025 - Steveieb

The motor industry seems to be in a state of shock to learn the announcement that Euro 7 will be introduced As early as 2025.

Even PHEV s will be affected and will be restricted in their use of EV power to extend the use of their batteries.

Looks like the UK are locked into the EU regulations even though we are no longer a member but taking a pragmatic view it looks like another nail in the coffin of the less affluent in society having access to personal transport.

How will this affect the ordinary motorist ? - Euro 7 to be introduced 2025 - RT

At present, diesel cars have to be Euro 6 to escape charges in LEZ and ULEZz - I can see some places requiring Euro 7 indecently quickly after it become mandatory.

How will this affect the ordinary motorist ? - Euro 7 to be introduced 2025 - skidpan

Even PHEV s will be affected and will be restricted in their use of EV power to extend the use of their batteries.

What is wrong with that? Our Superb PHEV has 219 PS which in truth is pretty pointless in the real world. In just over 2 years of ownership I have not needed to "floor" the loud pedal, if I did "floor it frequently the range would no doubt plummet.

The Power modern cars have is pretty pointless when compared to cars only a few years ago. Cars have become heavier and bigger but do they need the power they have, not IMHO. We had a 1989 Nissan Bluebird 1.8 from 92 to 96, about 80 PS from memory and it rarely left us struggling on our twice a year trip to Scotland. Our previous Superb (1.4 TSi 150 PS) performed in a way that totally surpassed the Bluebird (as it should have), its 150 PS was totally adequate.

Its probably all about bragging at the bar.

Looks like the UK are locked into the EU regulations even though we are no longer a member but taking a pragmatic view it looks like another nail in the coffin of the less affluent in society having access to personal transport.

The "less affluent" buy used car today and will continue to do so. They will always be available even when the only new cars sold are electric.

As for EU regulations there was never going to be national regs for UK cars was there. To expect that was just plain daft.

How will this affect the ordinary motorist ? - Euro 7 to be introduced 2025 - Brit_in_Germany

As for EU regulations there was never going to be national regs for UK cars was there. To expect that was just plain daft.

Indeed, because that is the last thing the auto industry would want.

How will this affect the ordinary motorist ? - Euro 7 to be introduced 2025 - Terry W

Having separate UK regulations would:

  • limit the choice of cars for UK buyers as many importers would be reluctant to produce UK compliant vehicles
  • make it more expensive for UK based manufacturers to compete in EU markets

It makes sense for all, not just manufacturers, to have aa common set of standards.

How will this affect the ordinary motorist ? - Euro 7 to be introduced 2025 - RT

Having separate UK regulations would:

  • limit the choice of cars for UK buyers as many importers would be reluctant to produce UK compliant vehicles
  • make it more expensive for UK based manufacturers to compete in EU markets

It makes sense for all, not just manufacturers, to have aa common set of standards.

Australia doesn't seem to have a problem running a level or two behind our Euro regulations, despite the closure of the Australian car industry - they currently operate to Euro 5 - European and Asian car makers have no problem building vehicles for Australia with the older level of emissions equipment.

Of course UK politicians want to be seen as the vanguard of climate protection, regardless of the penalty on UK drivers/owners - that's the real reason we'll adopt Euro 7 when the EU does.

Edited by RT on 22/11/2022 at 18:14

How will this affect the ordinary motorist ? - Euro 7 to be introduced 2025 - catsdad

Our friends (one an Aussie) are just back from Oz. They say that big pick ups and other guzzlers are very common and that the green agenda is much less prominent.

I am with Steve on the effect of tightening emission standards on the less well off and the young. Of course they can buy used older cars but the signs are that they will be restricted in where they can drive them without significant charges. Going green is a good thing in my view but it’s not cheap.

How will this affect the ordinary motorist ? - Euro 7 to be introduced 2025 - Brit_in_Germany

The real reason is that the UK agreed not to differ from the EU regulations in an international treaty.

How will this affect the ordinary motorist ? - Euro 7 to be introduced 2025 - Adampr

Most cars in Australia are built in Australia. It's essentially its own market. Pretty much all European cars as seen as very exotic and are priced accordingly. In the early 2000s, you could buy two Honda Accords; one for their market and a much more expensive 'Euro' - the boggo one we had.

How will this affect the ordinary motorist ? - Euro 7 to be introduced 2025 - alan1302

Most cars in Australia are built in Australia. It's essentially its own market. Pretty much all European cars as seen as very exotic and are priced accordingly. In the early 2000s, you could buy two Honda Accords; one for their market and a much more expensive 'Euro' - the boggo one we had.

No mass manufactured cars are produced in Australia any more - last of the makers Holden closed a year or two ago.

How will this affect the ordinary motorist ? - Euro 7 to be introduced 2025 - Adampr

Are they all shipped from the US now then? Shame, they had some massive mediocre cars that made things seem a bit more 'foreign'. I always used to get Mitsubishi Magna hire cars, apart from one occasion where I got a metallic orange Ford Falcon with a body kit...

How will this affect the ordinary motorist ? - Euro 7 to be introduced 2025 - RT

Are they all shipped from the US now then? Shame, they had some massive mediocre cars that made things seem a bit more 'foreign'. I always used to get Mitsubishi Magna hire cars, apart from one occasion where I got a metallic orange Ford Falcon with a body kit...

Mainly shipped from Asia, particularly Thailand. The US car industry has traditionally struggled to design cars for RHD.

How will this affect the ordinary motorist ? - Euro 7 to be introduced 2025 - RT

Most cars in Australia are built in Australia. It's essentially its own market. Pretty much all European cars as seen as very exotic and are priced accordingly. In the early 2000s, you could buy two Honda Accords; one for their market and a much more expensive 'Euro' - the boggo one we had.

Not any more - Ford shut their Australian factory in 2016, GM shut Holden in 2017 and Toyota also shut in 2017

How will this affect the ordinary motorist ? - Euro 7 to be introduced 2025 - Terry W

Until the pandemic the UK exported 1.0-1.3m vehicles pa. It is important for the economy and jobs.

Australia produces, and therefore exports, almost no vehicles. This means they can impose whatever standards they want with almost no consequences - in fact accepting lower standards probably reduces the costs of vehicles imported.

How will this affect the ordinary motorist ? - Euro 7 to be introduced 2025 - RT

Until the pandemic the UK exported 1.0-1.3m vehicles pa. It is important for the economy and jobs.

Australia produces, and therefore exports, almost no vehicles. This means they can impose whatever standards they want with almost no consequences - in fact accepting lower standards probably reduces the costs of vehicles imported.

The reality is the exact opposite - Australian design rules (ADR) are quite strict and just not the same as European or American rules, probably higher than either - this makes imported cars more expensive.

It simply would not be an issue for European/Asian car makers to build Euro 5 for the UK market and Euro 7 for the rest of the European market, nor would UK makers have an issue with the difference - it could actually reduce the cost of cars for the UK market - but that's hypothetical as UK Govt doesn't want pollution any more than European governments.

How will this affect the ordinary motorist ? - Euro 7 to be introduced 2025 - Andrew-T

<< The "less affluent" buy used car today and will continue to do so. They will always be available even when the only new cars sold are electric. >>

Probably, unless the govt tries another dreadful Scrappage scheme to interfere with the normal working of the used car trade ? The previous one certainly caused the unnecessary destruction of many perfectly decent cars.

How will this affect the ordinary motorist ? - Euro 7 to be introduced 2025 - Terry W

The stated goal of the 2009 scrappage scheme was to encourage owners of older and more polluting vehicles to upgrade to a new one.

Generally the scheme was a failure - assuming owners of 10-15 year old cars would trade up to a new one was naive, but it did encourage the better off to buy old cars with MOT to trade in. Hopefully the government (whoever it is) ill have learned.

However I do expect older ICE cars to become less attractive - zero emissions zones, increasing fuel duty etc. It won't all happen in one hit - progressive changes from around 2030-2040 are likely.

Governments rely upon car owners to get them elected. Irrespective of the environmental arguments, no party will deliberately alienate a large part of the electorate. In summary - by ~2040 expect to see ICE ownership become increasingly marginalised, by which time the newest ICE will be 10 years old.

How will this affect the ordinary motorist ? - Euro 7 to be introduced 2025 - focussed

"~2040 expect to see ICE ownership become increasingly marginalised, by which time the newest ICE will be 10 years old"

And will be a niche product priced accordingly.

If the supply of any product is artificially restricted the price will inevitably increase.