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Green shaming number plates? - Warning

I have seen a new electric cars with the green strip on the plate.

Is this to shame people they are not driving an electric car?

Green shaming number plates? - elekie&a/c doctor
I think it’s more of information to drivers behind that “this car could stop anytime without warning “ .
Green shaming number plates? - Sofa Spud
I think it’s more of information to drivers behind that “this car could stop anytime without warning “ .

In that case shouldn't all Land Rovers have green on their number plates?

Green shaming number plates? - Metropolis.
Lol, why Land Rover owners? I like to think I’m aware of most driving stereotypes but this is a new one
Green shaming number plates? - Adampr

In theory it's to make electric cars readily identifiable when parked in reserved spaces etc. I'd rather not have them...

Green shaming number plates? - movilogo

Is this to shame people they are not driving an electric car?

That's individual interpretation. I drive a petrol car and I'm proud of it. I won't be buying EV soon (though happy to buy hybrid).

Green shaming number plates? - alan1302

Is this to shame people they are not driving an electric car?

That's individual interpretation. I drive a petrol car and I'm proud of it. I won't be buying EV soon (though happy to buy hybrid).

What's the be proud of?

Green shaming number plates? - Ethan Edwards

You just get given them when you buy an EV. It honestly never occurred to me that it was seen as elitist by some. Its just is what it is. To be Frank it suggests to me more some prejudices and emotions on other people's behalf.

I do see some EVs whose dealer didn't supply them, specifically a black Polestar on the A12 yesterday. I was just mildly excited to see one myself as they're a bit rare imo. But I'd have felt the same about an Aston or Alfa. Sorry should I be being all snooty? Am I letting the side down in on some way?

Green shaming number plates? - movilogo

What's the be proud of?

That I don't believe in climate change propaganda.

That's my view. I have no issue with others having different views on this subject.

Green shaming number plates? - alan1302

What's the be proud of?

That I don't believe in climate change propaganda.

That's my view. I have no issue with others having different views on this subject.

I have no issue with people that don't belive in climate change propoganda. I do have issues with people that don't belive fcatual science - I just can't understand why.

Green shaming number plates? - movilogo

I do have issues with people that don't belive fcatual science- I just can't understand why.

Because it is not exactly factual science. It is politicians using science in a misleading way to suit their own agenda.

Green shaming number plates? - Manatee

politicians using science in a misleading way to suit their own agenda.

That's a given, but it doesn't mean climate change is a hoax.

At the moment, an EV with a 400 mile range (so comparable with petrol/diesel) will have a bigger CO2 impact that the non-EV when battery manufacturing and power station emissions are accounted for. EV's are pretty much a con, beyond the need to establish the technology, until there is enough renewable electricity around. I suppose there is some value in reducing tailpipe emissions in cities.

The easiest way to reduce car emissions is to drive less. But Johnson wants al the people happily WFH to start commuting again.

Green shaming number plates? - movilogo

The easiest way to reduce car emissions is to drive less. But Johnson wants al the people happily WFH to start commuting again.

That's another hypocrisy by the government. Pandemic has proven that many professions can deliver same/better service when WFH. This will also reduce pollution by cutting unnecessary traffic.

Yet, they want everyone back in office to save commercial landlords and coffee shops.

Green shaming number plates? - Zippy123

I do have issues with people that don't belive fcatual science- I just can't understand why.

Because it is not exactly factual science. It is politicians using science in a misleading way to suit their own agenda.

Just be aware that a user with a very similar username used to post controversial messages to another forum just to stir.

Green shaming number plates? - barney100

There has always been climate change, the ice age, huge dinosaurs in the rain forests of Scotland. The climates always changing, always has, there have been huge weather related disasters throughout history. The summer of darkness, the West Country losing thousands in floods. Science is a mixed blessing, they find cures for diseases and invent bombs to kill us all. Their data is distorted to try to influence us.

Green shaming number plates? - alan1302

There has always been climate change, the ice age, huge dinosaurs in the rain forests of Scotland. The climates always changing, always has, there have been huge weather related disasters throughout history. The summer of darkness, the West Country losing thousands in floods. Science is a mixed blessing, they find cures for diseases and invent bombs to kill us all. Their data is distorted to try to influence us.

There has always been climate change, just nothing like what is happening now due to human influence.

Green shaming number plates? - focussed

Is this to shame people they are not driving an electric car?

That's individual interpretation. I drive a petrol car and I'm proud of it. I won't be buying EV soon (though happy to buy hybrid).

What's the be proud of?

Perhaps that he can complete his journey without stopping to charge an EV battery every 150 miles?

Green shaming number plates? - alan1302

What's the be proud of?

Perhaps that he can complete his journey without stopping to charge an EV battery every 150 miles?

Suppose that depends on his bladder as well :-) It's the being proud that just seems a strange feeling to have - if you feel proud it's normally about someone...eg proud of his kid doing well at school.

Green shaming number plates? - Metropolis.
Replying to the OP - I think it is. They are creating a mass fleet of virtue signalling do-gooders.

We all know this government are in cahoots with the eco lobby. In fact they pretty much are the eco lobby, bunch of puritanical prohibitionists who seek to ban anything they deem unworthy of their green socialist nightmare where eventually we are all taking public transport as though we are North Koreans. As usual, they brand bans as “encouraging changes in behaviour”.

I note the green sticker has no provision for a Union Jack, either. Not surprising given the average Lib Dem voter is not usually of that inclination.

Government sanctioned virtue signalling at its worst.
Green shaming number plates? - Ethan Edwards

My Green flash has a UK mark and a Union flag. Secondly Lib Dem...clearly don't know me. Might want to revisit some of your opinions sport. Not an Ecomentalist just someone needing to get from A to B for an incredibly inexpensive amount. I checked out when it hit 1.40 enough already I said. Little realising how stupid prices would get. Doesn't seem to be a mistake though.

Edited by Ethan Edwards on 16/06/2022 at 23:46

Green shaming number plates? - Metropolis.
I stand corrected on the green mark/ Union Jack, and glad to hear of a Lib Dem who is not afraid to wave the flag. The need or desire to avoid high oil prices is relatable. How are you finding electric costs by comparison? That’s not a jibe, just curious.

Edited by Metropolis. on 16/06/2022 at 23:54

Green shaming number plates? - Adampr

My Corsa costs £2.50 to 'fill up' and is then good for about 180 miles. That's on a 'smart' tariff. On a standard tariff, you'd be looking at about a tenner.

Green shaming number plates? - Ethan Edwards

Well not too bad. When I swapped in Sept it was 19 quid to fo 200miles in my 1.4t Vitara or 7 quid to do the same in the EV. Both electric and petrol has gone up since then, but still cheaper to run.

I read that to get the petrol equivalent take your kw/h per Mile and multiply it by 40. Yesterday I was getting 4.1 so that's 164. You'd have to get a petrol car do excess of 164 mpg to be doing cheaper motoring. That's on a run of 35m that I got 4.1 my personal best is 4.6. Others in the forum have managed 4.7 that's equivalent to 188mpg. It's really inexpensive motoring. Tesla are probably better but that's my Mokka-e which us probably a bit 'thirstier' than Adampr's Corsa E above.

Oh and please stop assuming I'm a Lib Dem.....detest them.

Edited by Ethan Edwards on 17/06/2022 at 10:33

Green shaming number plates? - sammy1

I hope someone in the UK GOV is reading the above. The stupid GREEN flash on the number plate combined with those who can afford to buy EV boasting about their cheap motoring does wind up the rest of us who are subsidising those with cheap electric. Road fund licence and tax on fuel for the majority good luck to the protesters. At least the purchase subsidy on EVs has died a death When someone gets knocked down by an EV they can look up see the green flash and know what has hit them!

Green shaming number plates? - Adampr

I didn't buy it, it's leased through work on salary sacrifice...

I'm not sure why you'd think my electricity is any cheaper than yours.

Green shaming number plates? - Cris_on_the_gas

See quite a lot of postie vans around which are electric

Green shaming number plates? - sammy1

The posties in my area are driving Mercedes EVs. What does seem a bit daft is the DRLs are left on when they are on walkabout with their round. Seems to be a waste of the batterys charge.

Green shaming number plates? - alan1302

The stupid GREEN flash on the number plate combined with those who can afford to buy EV boasting about their cheap motoring does wind up the rest of us who are subsidising those with cheap electric.

You should not be so eaily affected by a green flash on a number plate.

Green shaming number plates? - sammy1

The stupid GREEN flash on the number plate combined with those who can afford to buy EV boasting about their cheap motoring does wind up the rest of us who are subsidising those with cheap electric.

You should not be so eaily affected by a green flash on a number plate.

I am not. I just posted this in the hope that it would liven up the debate. I cannot see the UK Gov running with their policy on EV much longer, the economy has ground to a halt apparently.

Green shaming number plates? - pd

They are hardly new, there are loads about and the motorways of Britain are awash with Tesla Model 3 and similar bearing them. The 3 Series of the 2020s.

It's just a number plate and optional, no different to the people who use to make a fuss whether their car had the euro plates.

EVs are just cars and just another fuel option to add to the mix.

Edited by pd on 17/06/2022 at 13:31

Green shaming number plates? - bathtub tom

there are significant CO2 emissions created during the manufacture of the battery pack, meaning that in order to offset the carbon created during the production process, a BEV must drive 40,000 - 100,000 miles before being environmentally comparable to a gasoline-powered vehicle.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1E8SQde5rk

OK, it's american and doesn't mention how many more miles would be necessary when the battery requires replacement.

Green shaming number plates? - Adampr

Volvo did some interesting research on this.

www.volvocars.com/images/v/-/media/Market-Assets/I...f

Green shaming number plates? - Steveieb

Latest research from Emissions Analitics have discovered that tailpipes are now so clean for pollutants that if you were starting out afresh you wouldnt even bother regulating them.

But tyre pollution especially from the heavier hybrid and electric cars is 1850 times more than the average emitted by exhausts.

Particles from tyres contain carcinogen s and 11 % are ultafine .

Green shaming number plates? - Sofa Spud

Latest research from Emissions Analitics have discovered that tailpipes are now so clean for pollutants that if you were starting out afresh you wouldnt even bother regulating them.

But tyre pollution especially from the heavier hybrid and electric cars is 1850 times more than the average emitted by exhausts.

Particles from tyres contain carcinogen s and 11 % are ultafine .

But EVs won't increase the problem of particulates from tyres. Even tyres that are optimised for EVs, are pretty similar to conventional tyres. And if EVs are slightly heavier than i.c. cars, then that's only by a small amount. For example the lightest version of the Tesla Model 3 is a bit heavier than the lightest BMW 3 Series - but the heaviest Model 3 is lighter than the heaviest 3 Series.

A huge proportion of motorists already drive petrol or diesel cars that are bigger and heavier than what they really need, so the I don't see the weight 'penalty'of EVs being much of an issue.

Edited by Sofa Spud on 17/06/2022 at 17:49

Green shaming number plates? - alan1302

Latest research from Emissions Analitics have discovered that tailpipes are now so clean for pollutants that if you were starting out afresh you wouldnt even bother regulating them.

You don't think they are clean because they are regulated?

Green shaming number plates? - Sofa Spud

there are significant CO2 emissions created during the manufacture of the battery pack, meaning that in order to offset the carbon created during the production process, a BEV must drive 40,000 - 100,000 miles before being environmentally comparable to a gasoline-powered vehicle.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1E8SQde5rk

OK, it's american and doesn't mention how many more miles would be necessary when the battery requires replacement.

What about all the CO2 emissions from manufacturing petrol or diesel engines, not to mention the emissions from extracting, transporting and refining oil before it's used in an i.c. engine?

Green shaming number plates? - barney100

Thing is the cheap EV running costs cost you ten grand more to buy the car in the first place.It will become evident how much EVs will depreciate and lose in range over time, “needs a new battery” will take on a different meaning.

Green shaming number plates? - Bilboman

In many EU countries there's a series of emissions stickers to go in the window to reveal a car's eco credentials, and of course each country has its own system, incompatible with the rest.
In Spain we have circular ECO, O, B and C stickers the size of the old UK tax disc Older cars don't qualify for any of the stickers, so my father in law's 1997 petrol Safrane wouldn't be allowed into central Madrid or Barcelona.
The only stickers permitted in car windows are the small rectangular "ITV" (MoT) (top right corner) and the ECO disc (bottom left). No one pays any attention except for the police, but most of the sticker spotting is by remote camera.
With so much ANPR surveillance, there really doesn't seem to be much point of any stickers at all, apart from the blue disabled badges which obviously aren't tied to one car.

Green shaming number plates? - pd

Time will tell on residuals but at the moment they are superb for EV cars. Vastly better than ICE.

As supply increases on the used market this will probably balance out a bit but at the moment depreciation is low.