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Something interesting for £7k ? - Stackman II

I am looking to replace my current car and hope to receive some ideas and inspiration form the knowledgeable collective.

Currently I drive a 2005 Saab 9-3 convertible. It has the 2.0l petrol engine with 175 hp. It does around 26 mpg in my hands.

I am looking to spend around £7,000 on a replacement. I would prefer a coupe or convertible and I fancy an automatic gearbox. Annual mileage 10,000 with daily commute of 8 miles each way.

More power would be good, minimum 200hp. My man-maths "budget" is the fuel economy. In my head any car that gets 30mpg or better is a winning proposition. As engine technology has moved on since Saab created my engine it looks, on paper, like BMW can get well in excess of 250hp from their 3.0 litre six and still get 35mpg.

So most likely candidate is BMW E92 330i, post 2008 when the new gearbox was available. I quite like the Audi A5, the 2.0l TFSI engine would appear to be pretty good, but what about the gearbox ?

Any thoughts on the durability of the above and any other suggestions gratefully received.

Something interesting for £7k ? - Cris_on_the_gas

Porsche Boxster. If you can cope with only 2 seats. Should be able to get a good one with service history for this money

Something interesting for £7k ? - Stackman II

Boxster is very tempting but I think a £7k one would be a proposition for a braver man than I.

Also we like to travel in to Europe for our holidays so fear a 2-seater might not fit the bill. Otherwise I might have been interested in a Mercedes SLK.

I sat in the new C class convertible at the Geneva Motor Show last week and loved it. Unfortunately similar Mercs in my budget are a bit old or are horrendously expensive to tax.

Something interesting for £7k ? - barney100

You'd get a decent CLK convertible for that with a bit of cash left over for the road tax. I had a 3.2 petrol and there is plenty of room for four people.

Something interesting for £7k ? - SLO76
I wouldn’t buy any of the above on such a limited budget, you’re buying right at the point when things start to go expensively haywire on such complex prestige machines. But if you absolutely must and you need more than two seats the BMW E92 with the excellent 3.0 6cyl petrol in either 325 or 330 form is the least likely to go catastrophically wrong. The auto gearbox in the Audi is weak and they’re prone to slave and master cylinders failing on manuals too.

At £7k you’d be better served by a reliable mass market hatch. It’s a gamble buying a prestige cabrio at £7k. I’d beg, borrow or steal to up that budget and look for a full BMW dealer history or a genuine specialist history. Verify it’s genuine too as this is how dodgy folks add value these days with clocking largely eliminated they stamp up the service book with a made up garage. Google the name and call the servicing dealer to check they exist and they’ve actually seen it.
Something interesting for £7k ? - Stackman II

Sage advice indeed SLO76.

The problem for me with hot-hatches is that they all seem to be too stiffly sprung to be comfortable on the rutted country roads where I do most of my mileage.

I previously ran an E46 323i coupe. That arrived with 18" wheels and was virtually undriveable around here until I swapped down to 16" rims.

That said, a Golf GTi might fit the bill or a Scirroco. How reliable is the DSG box at 10 years old ?

Something interesting for £7k ? - SLO76
“That said, a Golf GTi might fit the bill or a Scirroco. How reliable is the DSG box at 10 years old ?”

Probably the worst thing you could buy. The DSG gearbox has an awful reputation for failure and the earlier the worse it gets. Many hot hatches will have been utterly abused too. I was actually meaning an ordinary family hatch like a Civic but I doubt that’ll be of interest.

I wouldn’t buy anything with one of these highly complex automated manual gearboxes like VAG’s DSG or Ford’s Powershift. The Japanese messed with them for a while but even Honda and Toyota couldn’t get it to work right. Stick with a manual or a conventional torque converter set up at this money. I can’t think of any automatic hot hatches at this price I’d buy.
Something interesting for £7k ? - concrete

SLO is correct. Potential money pits Porsche and BMW at this age. At least a common everyday make should be easier and cheaper to repair and maintain. Personally I would be inclined to run the Saab until it drops and becomes uneconomical to maintain, in the meantime save some more money and get a better, newer car later on. As for fuel consumption, well that is all in your own hands. I suspect that you enjoy driving and probably use the available performance, which will mean low consumption. Maybe a little less haste and braking and your consumption should improve if that is what you want. Same will apply to any car with notional 'good' consumption based on fairly staid driving. Good luck in your search.

Cheers Concrete

Something interesting for £7k ? - badbusdriver

Interesting conundrum, though, as SLO says, potentially risky!.

Couple of points, your Saab has 4 decent sized seats, does its replacement need rear seats?, if so, do they need to fit adults?. If so, your net of possibilities are pretty small!. An Autotrader search for convertibles >£7.5k (haggle room!), with at least 4 seats, auto gearbox and capable of sub 8 seconds 0-60 comes up with a total of 9 brands. One of those is Jaguar, an XK8 4.0, and while technically it does have rear seats, they are very small indeed!. The Lexus SC430 has similarly tiny rear seats, but it also has that Lexus reliability. On the minus side, its looks are somewhat 'challenging', and going by what i have read, they don't drive like a sports car at all. That leaves Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Mini, Saab, VW and Volvo. The VW (Eos 2.0TSI) uses the DSG gearbox, so i'd definately rule that out. There are lots of BMW's (123), but many, many of them will be rubbish, through neglect, modifications, accident damage, etc, so the biggest challenge would be sifting through the dross to find a nice example!. Merc's are less numerous (68), Audi's less so again (42), but i'm guessing similar problems would arise trying to find a nice example. Mini's are in their own little niche here compared to the rest of the search results, not my cup of tea at all but they have their fans. Not sure about specific reliability issues for the 170bhp 1.6, but it is the kind of car that will be likely to have been thrashed, so beware. That leaves Saab and Volvo. The Volvo in question being the Ford Focus based C70 and will have the 2.5 5 cyl turbo as found in the Focus ST of the same era. I believe the engines are good and reliable, if a little thirsty (doubt you'd see 30mpg very often), but i'm none to sure about the 'geartronic' gearbox, which is an automated manual. Normally i'd want to steer well clear, but maybe other forum members have positive experience of it(?), otherwise, not for me thanks. The Saab is the same as your car but with the bigger 2.8 turbo packing 250bhp. There are only two showing on Autotrader, but might be worth a look seeing as you are very familiar with everything apart from the extra grunt. This is the lower mileage of the two, a private seller, but looks pretty good?,

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20190310573...1

Something interesting for £7k ? - Happy Blue!

The problem is finding a large petrol engined car (small car, large engine...) that will do 30mpg on your short commute.

I drive a 3.0 V6 turbodiesel. My commute is also about 8 miles each way with at least four miles on the motorway in either direction. Average economy is 30mpg at best. A nice 2.5l six cylinder is going to do no more than 25mpg. In other words, economy for your type of driving and desires should be of little interest.

If the economy is irrelevant, buy a nice 3.0 flat 6 Subaru Outback and forget about unreliable cars.

If it isn't, buy a 3.0 diesel German coupe.

Something interesting for £7k ? - badbusdriver

If the economy is irrelevant, buy a nice 3.0 flat 6 Subaru Outback and forget about unreliable cars.

If it isn't, buy a 3.0 diesel German coupe.

As nice as the Outback is, the OP is looking for a coupe or convertible. As for the 3.0 diesel German coupe, you could also have that same German coupe as a convertible, certainly a 3 series or A4.

If you wanted to stand out from the usual German suspects, a couple of distinctive French coupe's spring to mind, if you can find one of course. I'm not going to mention anything about reliability(!), but i do have a soft spot for both these. The Peugeot 407 and Renault Laguna. Both were offered with 200bhp + petrol or diesel power. I think i have heard bad things about the 2.7 Peugeot diesel but the the lump in the Renault is (i think?) an Isuzu unit (packing a not inconsiderable 235bhp) so could be pretty sturdy?. Petrol options are a 3.0 in the Peugeot, 3.5 in the Renault, both with 240bhp.

Edited by badbusdriver on 19/03/2019 at 20:55

Something interesting for £7k ? - Oli rag
Don’t think anyone has mentioned a Lexus IS 250 yet. 205bhp and super smooth V6, I think they did a rare convertible too, but suspect they would be a bit pricey.
Something interesting for £7k ? - SLO76
Don’t think anyone has mentioned a Lexus IS 250 yet. 205bhp and super smooth V6, I think they did a rare convertible too, but suspect they would be a bit pricey.

I forgot about that. Good car, well made, it’ll outlast you if looked after but no great shakes to drive from what I’ve read. No reliability worries with a nice example with full dealer history... Auto Trader: www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20190224525...5
Something interesting for £7k ? - JohnX

Wow, a Lexus at this price point,I would stay clear.

I had an old Lexus and one fault was enough to cause a repair estimate which was about the same as the cost of the car itself!

Something interesting for £7k ? - Avant

Possible left-field suggestion:

Keep the Saab 'for best' and buy a cheapish little Toyota for your commute. If you don't spend all the £7k on the cheap car, you'll have some funds if the Saab needs repairs.

If you go this way, take the Saab out at weekends for at least 20 miles to keep it going well, and also for your own enjoyment.

If the Saab really is on its last legs, then I'd agree with the BMW 6-cylinder petrol suggestion, provided you can find one with a full service history and signs that it's been well looked after.

Edited by Avant on 19/03/2019 at 22:40

Something interesting for £7k ? - veloceman
Alfa Brera. Stylish Coupe that is well built and certainly a step up in quality from previous Alfa’s.
2.2 (185bhp) chain driven. No ball of fire but a comfortable GT cruiser.
There is also a GM based 3.2 which isn’t particularly characterful and quite thirsty but quick enough.
Oh and realistically only a two seater. If you want more seats try a 159.
Something interesting for £7k ? - 72 dudes

Another suggestion here for a Volvo C70 T5. Badbusdriver is mistaken in that the Geartronic is a conventional torque converter auto box on the 5 cylinder models. The automated manual was fitted to some of the diesel versions.

The non turbo 2.4 with 170 BHP was also a smooth motor, but with the extra weight of the metal roof, was no ball of fire.

Something interesting for £7k ? - Stackman II

Well, lots to think about there.

In summary it looks like most autobox options aren't viable at this price point. I shall have to carry on shifting my own gears.

Quite like the idea of the Brera, great looking car but probably not a wise thing to spend your own money on. I like the looks of the French coupes but the engine options don't appeal, if you can find any of them anywhere.

Might look at manual A5's and 3 series coupes.

Many thanks to everyone who took the time to help. Especially pleased to have received confirmation that the DSG should be avoided. I have driven a Golf R with this unit and liked the way it worked, but that was a new car and somebody else's problem!

Something interesting for £7k ? - veloceman
Re the Brera.
Alfa’s thrive on attention! If you get one with a good history
thats been cherished you’ll be no worse off than any other make.
If you get one that’s been neglected you’ll pay for it!
Seriously, the Brera was a massive step forward in build for Alfa.
Something interesting for £7k ? - lucklesspedestrian

Apologies for the sudden change in direction here but......

We're actually looking for a petrol Saab 9-3 convertible as a days out/weekends away car whilst keeping our Golf as the main family car.

Just wondering what the OP's experience of the Saab has been and whether or not he would recommend one?

Something interesting for £7k ? - Stackman II

I've had the Saab for 3 years now and have really enjoyed it. It's no sports car, more of a cruiser but the engine I have, the 175hp petrol, gives good mid-range pull.

Most cars have the 150hp engine which is a bit limp or the Aero with 220hp but they have sportier suspension which ruins the ride and is not great with a convertible body.

In terms of reliability it has been fine. Mine is a 2005 example with about 110,000 miles on the clock. I have done about 25k miles in it and the only failures have been new brake discs, and an oil seal which leaked on to the alternator belt causing it to fail.

Day-to-day I see about 26mpg but on a run to Germany it returned 38mpg.

The roof is sometimes reluctant to go down but usually comes to its senses if I drive it for a bit, stop and try again. Ironically it only really plays up on really hot days when you want it down! With the roof down and the deflector in place its very civilised inside. I have done 3 figure speeds roof down and it is fine.

Overall I am very happy with the experience, I had a previous generation 9-3 convertible some years ago and this one is miles better. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it for a classy weekend runabout. It's comfortable, reasonably quick and just that little bit different.

Something interesting for £7k ? - lucklesspedestrian

Thanks so much for that reply, always good to hear first hand reports of ownership before buying. Next step is to go and (literally) try one out for size. I'm a fairly 'big unit' and vaguely remember sitting in a 9-3 hardtop (saloon?) once and finding it a bit cramped. Thanks again!

Something interesting for £7k ? - Engineer Andy

If you want something' interesting' for only £7k, then save up another £7k or so to pay for the 'interesting' bits to be replaced when they fail. And they will. At the very least maintaining and insuring them won't come cheap - if you're lucky.

Edited by Engineer Andy on 21/03/2019 at 18:56

Something interesting for £7k ? - Metropolis.
I have first hand experience with the IS250C. It is a well-built car and a used example with full main dealer history is a very safe bet. Loaded with all the kit you need without the things you don’t, so it has cruise, sat nav, reversing cam, but no start stop! The 2.5 v6 is whisper quiet, in fact it’s so quiet i have pressed the engine on/off button and inadvertently turned the engine off as i didn’t realise it was running! More used to it now. It’s not really a drivers car despite being rear wheel drive, and the ride is a tad jiggly round town but it settles down very well on the motorway. On long trips expect 30mpg. The v6 has absolutely no low down torque and it’s a heavy car so it does get worked but it’s always pleasant in doing so. It’s a high spec toyota with toyotas reliability, although sadly it is a tad frumpy to look at when the roof is up. When it’s down it looks very sleek. It’s the safest bet for a reliable 2nd hand convertible 4 seater.