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Modern diesels and DPFs - Leif

Someone told me that recent diesel cars - especially VAG ones - have no issues with the DPF, and you can happily do no longer journeys and the DPF will be fine. Is this true?

Modern diesels and DPFs - badbusdriver

I'm not sure anyone could say for certain without seeing the evidence. It is easy enough to say that there has been this modification or that, but until enough cars have done enough miles, you can't really say. If you were planning to buy new, and follow the manufacturers advice on the regen procedure, then, in theory, you should be safe under warranty.

But ultimately, given the mpg the petrol TSI engines can manage, unless you are doing mega miles, what would the benefit of going diesel?.

Modern diesels and DPFs - sandy56

If you consider the behaviour of the VAG Group ( VW- AUDI- SEAT- SKODA- ) of car companies, why would any person trust their products ever again.

Modern diesels and DPFs - Engineer Andy

Given VAG's 'form' on honesty in recent years, I'd reserve judgement until these engines have been around for a decent amount of time. Besides - modern, efficient petrol-engined cars (especially the best turbo-petrols) can easily match a diesel for fuel efficiency on short trips because they get warmed up quicker, are lighter, in addition to the fuel price being generally cheaper and the purchase cost of the car being lower.

Unless you're regularly lugging heavy loads around, owning a diesel for low annual mileage and/or mostly short trips is a waste of money, in my opinion.

Any diesel's DPF will clog up - it's just how well the car can deal with the forced regens that is the key to how they can cope with short journeys. Either way, they use extra fuel and/or adblue to help reduce the gunk or clear/burn it away, which in the end reduces mpg and costs more than if no DPF were present.

Modern diesels and DPFs - Miniman777

Given VAG's 'form' on honesty in recent years....

Some of us simply wouldn't touch one.....just saying....

Modern diesels and DPFs - Steveieb
Probably. The best way to find out is to ask the question in writing to find out what exactly is covered.
I know that Ford have restrictions on warranty work on DPF s on Transit vans.
Modern diesels and DPFs - Brit_in_Germany

Modern efficient petrol cars will also have a particulate filter though. Time will tell if these suffer from the same problems as dpfs.

Modern diesels and DPFs - Engineer Andy

Modern efficient petrol cars will also have a particulate filter though. Time will tell if these suffer from the same problems as dpfs.

We have discussed this before, and RobJP and Skidpan indicated to me why PPFs will be far more reliable/robust than DPFs:

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/126058/petrol-part...e

I think that's a fair assessment.

Modern diesels and DPFs - ifekas

Modern efficient petrol cars will also have a particulate filter though. Time will tell if these suffer from the same problems as dpfs.

A colleague of mine at work has had a message frequently coming on on his Focus Ecoboost (new model) like 'Petrol particulate filter full, continue driving', which he did until the message went away (and he intentionally went on a really long run specially), but the next day the message reappeared. His journey to work is about half an hour, so it's not as if it was just having really short journeys; perhaps in these really cold temperatures with the heaters on, the filter can't regenerate as efficiently. In any event, he has raised a ticket with Fords as it seems to be a fault.

The one good thing is that at least more meaningful messages are being shown, rather than cryptic icons!

Modern diesels and DPFs - CHarkin

Modern diesels are better at looking after their DPF than older ones, they will regenerate at much lower speeds and clear the filter in a few minutes. Once warmed up the soot can be burned off with less than 10 minutes driving at just about any speed. They work by injecting fuel into the exhaust that gets burned in the catalyst and the heat produced heats up the DPF to over 600C.

You will get issues if the car is denied the opportunity to regenerate when it needs to or if you regularly switch off in the middle of a regeneration.

There is a great little app called VAGDPF for Android that along with an inexpensive bluetooth OBD reader can tell you when your car wants to regenerate, when it starts and when it has finished along with other useful information. A must have for all VAG diesel owners in my opinion.

Modern diesels and DPFs - Engineer Andy
There is a great little app called VAGDPF for Android that along with an inexpensive bluetooth OBD reader can tell you when your car wants to regenerate, when it starts and when it has finished along with other useful information. A must have for all VAG diesel owners in my opinion.

If only they'd had the sense to include that on the MFD on the dashboard. It's not as though most modern cars (and especially VAGs) don't have flashy LED displays. If I as an engineer had allowed a product to go to market without such a feature, I'd be sacked.

Amazing how so many can get away with this, or that have said nothing (even anonymously) about it if the decision was by the top brass.