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A century of car evolution, and yet... - Bilboman

... for most of us, the car's audio system is directed at our knees; cool air only reaches our faces - where we want it - after deflecting off the steering wheel and our hands; and for the conscientious driver who does actually check things over from time to time, every car has an (external) underbonnet catch in a unique position and up, down, left or right movement to open, and actually propping the bonnet open requires both hands. Could this be why so many drivers neglect basic maintenance?
So many of the modern goodies like "auto hold" "hill hold", reversing cameras and countless safety features are cracking good, but I despair at (most) car manufacturers' inability to get these little details right!

A century of car evolution, and yet... - Avant

You don't want the bonnet catch anywhere too accessible, in case you operated it by accident while on the move (I can just imagine Peugeot / Citroen thinking that would be something else to have on the touchscreen....)

On our recent Skodas and current Audis, you can't open the bonnet unless the door nearest the catch is open - presumably an intentional safety feature. Incidentally, one of the little economies that indicate that SKODA = Some Kind of Downmarket Audi is that the bonnet catch isn't transposed for RHD; you also have to prop the bonnet open with an old-fashioned stay.

A century of car evolution, and yet... - elekie&a/c doctor
Not convinced about the Bmw idea of bonnet release system. There is no external safety catch. Pull the bonnet release lever twice and the bonnet is open, ready to lift.
A century of car evolution, and yet... - Bilboman

(I was referring only to the external bonnet "safety" catch btw. Can't see how it provides any measure of safety other than during breakdowns on extremely windy motorways...)
I remember that my dad's Austin Maxi had a sliding bonnet stay a bit like an automatic umbrella: with one hand it was a breeze to push the bonnet up until it clicked and stayed open. Never seen this on a car since then, although a select few have hydraulic struts.

A century of car evolution, and yet... - Andrew-T

I remember that my dad's Austin Maxi had a sliding bonnet stay a bit like an automatic umbrella: with one hand it was a breeze to push the bonnet up until it clicked and stayed open. Never seen this on a car since then, although a select few have hydraulic struts.

Ah yes, I recall the Maxi bonnet prop system. Since those days, every Pug 205 has has a similar arrangement, but hinged instead of sliding.

And (in answer to the following post) I always assumed the bonnet safety catch was in case it was not fully latched and could lift while driving, covering the windscreen. Clios and some other cars had front-hinged bonnets to prevent that, but it made access more awkward.

A century of car evolution, and yet... - TheGentlemanThug

I can't say that I've ever had a problem lifting the bonnet with one hand. Granted, the bonnet on my Civic has to be held in place with a stand, therefore requiring two hands, but a Volvo C30 I once owned had its bonnet held in place once it was lifted to a certain height. It was slightly unnerving so perhaps that's why it hasn't caught on?

I always assumed that the bonnet catch was there in case someone accidentally popped the bonnet release from within the car? The bonnet release and fuel cap release in my Civic are right next to each other for some daft reason. I've not pulled the wrong one yet but it can be an easy mistake to make.

A century of car evolution, and yet... - badbusdriver

My Dad had a MK2 Granada estate, i remember the first time i lifted the enormous bonnet on that, man it was heavy!. Wouldn't want that to fall down on you while working on it!.

On the other end of the scale, working at a VW dealer while the (brilliant) Lupo GTI was current, i was amused that despite the bonnet being both very small, and made of aluminium, it had a gas strut to lift it up!.

I liked the way the bonnets of the Saab 99's and 900's opened, there was a bit of theatre about it. After releasing the catch, you lifted the front up and forward to a certain point, then it would pivot down so the front of the bonnet ended up below the front bumper (I seem to remember BMW's of that age having a similar arrangement). But you did have to be careful, when closing it, that you got the rearmost corners of the bonnet sitting in their runners otherwise the rear edge would be sticking out too far. This was not a problem by itself, but if you then opened the front door at that side there would be a coming together ending with a trip to the bodyshop!.

A century of car evolution, and yet... - John F

We have been on a plateau of automotive competence for decades. A lot happened between 1908 and 1958, but my uberwagen 2005 Audi A8 W12 (poor man's Bentley) offers relatively little more than my father's Rover 105S (poor man's Bentley) which was considerably more competent than a 1908 Austin 15hp. It would cruise at 90mph (sadly few UK roads available for this apart from the Northwich bypass) in leather armchair luxury listening to the BBC Light Programme. It even had adjustable armrests on the front doors. Admittedly there was no air conditioning, but quarterlights were useful for airflow - and extracting cigarette smoke! Another useful feature lacking on today's cars was a starting handle, which I would have liked on more than one occasion in the past ten years with our automatic cars. We now have bells and whistles aplenty, affording the garage trade with much work, but today I think a hundred mile journey can often be done no more quickly and comfortably as it could sixty years ago - when my ancestors would drive from Birmingham to Bradford and back to visit relatives on a Sunday.

A century of car evolution, and yet... - badbusdriver

We have been on a plateau of automotive competence for decades. A lot happened between 1908 and 1958, but my uberwagen 2005 Audi A8 W12 (poor man's Bentley) offers relatively little more than my father's Rover 105S (poor man's Bentley) which was considerably more competent than a 1908 Austin 15hp. It would cruise at 90mph (sadly few UK roads available for this apart from the Northwich bypass) in leather armchair luxury listening to the BBC Light Programme. It even had adjustable armrests on the front doors. Admittedly there was no air conditioning, but quarterlights were useful for airflow - and extracting cigarette smoke! Another useful feature lacking on today's cars was a starting handle, which I would have liked on more than one occasion in the past ten years with our automatic cars. We now have bells and whistles aplenty, affording the garage trade with much work, but today I think a hundred mile journey can often be done no more quickly and comfortably as it could sixty years ago - when my ancestors would drive from Birmingham to Bradford and back to visit relatives on a Sunday.

The Rover P4 is my favourite Rover and one of my favourite classic cars full stop, lovely old things.

Regarding the opening quarterlights though, surely they would have been removing pipe smoke in one of those, not cigarette smoke?!.

Talking of your Father's 90mph cruise also reminded me of an incident back in around 1997. At the time i was working in a hotel in the lake district and on my days off i had decided to go and visit relatives in Wigan. On the M6 in my 1.2 Nova, i was passed by a Riley RMB going considerably faster than the 65mph (or thereabouts) i was doing. Quite amusing watching a stately old bus like that going at such speed, which i'm guesing must have been at least 85mph!.

Edited by badbusdriver on 02/10/2018 at 14:15

A century of car evolution, and yet... - FoxyJukebox

Next time I buy a car-I just wonder if page one of the "handbook" could CLEARLY display

1) Front and rear tyre pressures

2) The correct oil to use for topping up-eg 5W30-fully synthetic

3) How to open the petrol filler cap and whether the car will run on regular unleaded

4) Coolant type for emergency topping up

A century of car evolution, and yet... - gordonbennet

Rover, right up to the horrid hatchback they were cars made for a more pleasant country, and embodied a gentler pace of life.

Interesting about covering ground though, you cannot match the journey times of even 20 years ago now, unless prepared to travel in the really small hours and then its pot luck whether you find a several mile tailback and several sections of our now regular night time road closures.

The roads hold almost no driving pleasure now, though i still strangely enjoy my work driving lorries (work that out if you can), the aggressive tailgating and must be in front but can't go anywhere when i get there mentality of the borg has made car driving an unpleasant experience, especially on heavily trafficked commuter routes at peak times.

Almost no one takes any pride in their driving now, they are likely to react in violent ways should anyone make the slightest error in their eyes, rude gestures for no reason whatsoever are common.

What follows is typical, this weekend mid morning i'm travelling up the M6 near Rugby, at my steady 53mph, following about 300 yds behind another lorry, when passing in the outside lane was a Discovery with a Civic approximately 12" (inches) from his back bumper as close to the armco as possible to force the Disco over, Civic swerves to left to undertake, Disco moves half into middle lane, Civic now really very close alongside disco, arm comes out of civic drivers window and grabs the disco door mirror presumably trying to rip it off, suddenly Civic swerves violently left now in front of lorry in front of me disappearing from view.

I fully expected to see the civic next on its roof or going through the nearside barrier, but next thing he's undertook fully and speeds off...never saw either car again as far as i'm aware but fully expected as all to come to a standstill in the perma unsmart roadworks at Coventry...i have no idea what caused this childish episode but this is where we are, one idiot is bad enough but two idiots and you have a real problem, pity the old bill hadn't been hiding travelling between the other lorry and me (they used to do this regularly) cos both these twerps needed looking at.

I see idiots like this regularly now, at one time they were very rare, so does it really matter if cars evolve when what loosely passes for upright walking homo sapiens are returning to a neanderthal stage rapidly.

A century of car evolution, and yet... - Avant

Quite agree, Dogfuzz. The trouble with manuals is that they cover all models in the range, so that if you've bought the bog-standard model half of it doesn't apply.

BBD - if that was a 2.5 litre Riley, 85 mph is quite possible. Pre-BMC Rileys were long, low cars with a sporty reputation. Rovers were stately buses even when new, beloved of old-fashioned bank managers.

I can imagine Captain Mainwaring of Dad's Army in a 1939 Rover P2 (' I worked damned hard to get this car'....Frazer - 'It's only a Rover 10 - wouldnae pull the skin off a rrrrice pudden.').

A century of car evolution, and yet... - barney100

Some car bonnets used to open under the windscreen so they couldn't spring up. I can't think why diesel cars aren't fitted with a misfuelling device as standard, AA man told me he towed several diesels a week to have the tank drained after I had made this silly mistake.

A century of car evolution, and yet... - Bilboman

As gordonbennet said, "you cannot match the journey times of even 20 years ago now, " In the 2014 reenactment of the 1987 Liver Run, a modern day police driver took twice as long to cover the 27 mile route and this seems to epitomise modern day driving in Britain - too many cars, ever slower journeys and no solution in sight. Driving used to be almost enjoyable back in the day. (At least that's what my grandfather told my father, and my dad told me!)
I hope that adaptive cruise control becomes a standard fitment in the not too distant future, and with it some kind of automatic remote application for stretches and moments of high traffic density. Until then we can only dream of a world without tailgaters, aggressive imbeciles at the wheel and countless rear end collisions.

A century of car evolution, and yet... - Ethan Edwards

Can't wait to buy an EV and take 3 days to drive to Yorkshire. A genuine return to 18th Century Stagecoach speeds. Ultra cheap travel at snail like speed. What's not to envy.

A century of car evolution, and yet... - badbusdriver

Can't wait to buy an EV and take 3 days to drive to Yorkshire. A genuine return to 18th Century Stagecoach speeds. Ultra cheap travel at snail like speed. What's not to envy.

I was just reading about a road trip from Edinburgh to Coventry in the new Jag i-pace. Despite the fact that their overnight charger had been faulty, meaning they had to make an extra (hour long) charging stop, it took them from 9.20am to 6pm. Googling 'Edinburgh to Coventry by car' gives an estimated time of 5 hours and 41 mins. If you knock that extra hour off the EV's time, it would have taken 2 hours longer. This may seem a long time, but bear in mind that you'd be stopping for breaks, lunch or whatever in the car anyway, so it would probably end up more like an hour longer, possibly less, to do 311 miles.

Doesn't seem so bad to me.

A century of car evolution, and yet... - drd63
Obviously depends on the time of day and travel conditions but that’s a pretty conservative time to cover 310 miles on mway much of which is pretty quiet. I think electric cars have their place and big improvements seem to be taking place quickly. Right now though that kind of journey time is pretty hopeless especially as it requires extended stops at mway services.
A century of car evolution, and yet... - John F

Can't wait to buy an EV and take 3 days to drive to Yorkshire. A genuine return to 18th Century Stagecoach speeds. Ultra cheap travel at snail like speed. What's not to envy.

They say the USA is ten years ahead.....here's my experience last month. A week-end in Palm Springs, round trip from near Los Angeles in son's rented Tesla S, just over 200 miles so needed a recharge. Saturday mid-day, pulled into a shopping mall with twelve high speed Tesla charging points. All occupied, two cars waiting. Takes over an hour to charge. Took the best part of two hours to be on our way again. Can't see it appealing to busy high milers, while for low mileage drivers the high capital cost per mile negates the fuel saving. And the rear seat passengers agreed that his 18yr old Passat estate was more comfortable!

A century of car evolution, and yet... - Ethan Edwards

If EVs are the future then its going to be godawful. Hybrids Ok I've even owned one for a couple of years but I won't spend serious money on such a flawed product as an EV.

A century of car evolution, and yet... - concrete

My last few cars have all had a reasonably accessible bonnet release catch, with the usual safety hook to mucky your fingers! Also they have had a hydrolic strut to hold up the bonnet panel. Volvo, Skoda and Toyota in that order. As for audio, ventilation etc I have no real complaints. They all seem to work pretty well IMHO. One thing I would like is the ability to choose exactly what I want. For instance, several company cars I had came with the dreaded sun roof. I would never specify one let alone pay good money. Things like that are not vital to the car so should be down to choice. Same with other so called goodies that I hardly used, even when doing big mileages. Sun roof, cruise control, tyre pressure monitors, air cond glove box, satnav, special paints, large wheels with skinny tyres, etc etc are all quite superfluous to me. Give me good seating with infinite adjustment and a memory setting, good climate control heat/cool and leather upholstery and I am good to go.

Cheers Concrete

A century of car evolution, and yet... - Avant

Very good point. The German marques are much maligned for putting a lot of things on the options list, but this is why they do it. For example, we don't have climate control on either of our Audis, as manual aircon works fine for us.

The higher trim levels (e.g. Sport and S-Line on Audis) are mainly cosmetic - so it makes sense to start with the lowest trim level and add what you want, not what you don't. But beware - not all makes are the same and with some, that method is more expensive.

A century of car evolution, and yet... - Bolt

If EVs are the future then its going to be godawful. Hybrids Ok I've even owned one for a couple of years but I won't spend serious money on such a flawed product as an EV.

I agree but I`ve noticed in the last few months a lot more EVs around my way, Tesla seem to be doing well around Bromley as there have been more than a few parked on drives, several BMW i3 and I think i5, also the Toyota C-HR seems very popular, like the look of that but no one else in family does so that's out for me lol

A century of car evolution, and yet... - skidpan

Incidentally, one of the little economies that indicate that SKODA = Some Kind of Downmarket Audi is that the bonnet catch isn't transposed for RHD; you also have to prop the bonnet open with an old-fashioned stay

Not always. That does apply to the Seat Leon we had and the Fabia we have now but the Superb has the bonnet release on the drivers side and 2 hydraulic struts to hold the bonnet

A century of car evolution, and yet... - Avant

Thanks for the info.

A century of car evolution, and yet... - skidpan

For example, we don't have climate control on either of our Audis, as manual aircon works fine for us

We had air con for years and then bought a couple of cars with climate standard. At the time it seemed unnessary but quickly we realised it was way better, simply set temp and drive.

Then we bought the Leon, A/C was standard but to get climate would have mean't a factory order and no special deal on a stock car, would probably have resulted in a wait of several months and a price hike of well over a thousand. So we decided that since A/C had been fine in the past we would be OK.

Wrong, what a pain. Compared to climate the temp needed adjusting to keep the temp pleasant and on days where the sun was in and out it was a full time job.

So the next time we bought a car with A/C as standard, the Fabia we went for a factory order and specified climate.

To us its just as important as cruise control to ensure a pleasant stress free trip.