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Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - andy18n
Hi all
Not had aircon in a 2016 new generation Galaxy since March. One of the main pipes has fractured. Been to local Ford dealer twice, first for diagnosis, second a faulty new part delivered apparently. It's under warranty but action so far is woeful.
They are now saying mid July earliest as part is on back order! This is an absolute nightmare with 5 of us plus a dog. Think we're going to have to change holiday plans as it's just not comfortable on long runs.
Anyone got any ideas of how I could escalate this and try and get some action? I bet the factory production lines aren't shut down for this, so there must be some available somewhere!!
Is this a known problem on the new generation Galaxy/SMax? Guessing it must be if parts are that unavailable and on such a long lead time.
Thanks
Andy
Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - daveyK_UK

Worth trying a different Ford dealer who has a mechanic who can use some imagination and get a similar pipe from a different model to fit?

Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - Engineer Andy

This sort of thing seems to be a regular occurrance, especially when parts are sourced (even for Japanese manufacturers - I had a similar issue getting a new clutch for my Mazda3, though it is 12yo) from continental EU (mine came from their central depot in Belgium), where it seems production and/or work is often ramped down in the summer just because all the staff can go on holiday at that time, and they can't stagger them so they always have enough staff on duty to cover the work required. Most other business seem to manage ok.

Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - daveyjp
The downside of shared components and just in time delivery. There is so little slack having spare parts can be a problem.. We had the same in January. 8 weeks for a new part for a turbo.

You can kick off, try HQ, but they probably don't care.
Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - Steveieb

How about asking for a tempoary repair such as taking off the pipe ans welding the defective part.

My idie is doing just this for one of his customers ahead of a long trip to Europe.

Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - Engineer Andy

Indeed - I was lucky to get my clucth fitted in time for me to do 1000+ miles on holiday - the work was postponed so I only had about 3 weeks from fitting to my long holiday drive, rather than about 6 weeks originally.

I'm being cautious now that my power steering (likely the pump) is slowly on the way out - I'm off on holiday (same as before) very soon and won't risk them putting back the work to near the holiday date and then a problem develops with the newly fitted system just before or whilst I'm away. Its still ok to use, so I'd rather wait until I get back and don't have any problems if there's a delay as with the clutch and/or the 'fix' doesn't work.

I didn't bother with going to Mazda UK - I didn't find them particularly helpful with a query I had some years ago, but in fairness some reviewrs have said they've had better experiences with them of late. I'd rather err on the side of caution and make sure any fix is done when its most conevnient to me, rather than (up front, anyway) pee off the local dealer by complaining, especially to head office. When it comes to paying, however....

Funny though how the 'just in time' system works find for Honda and Toyota/Lexus...

Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - badbusdriver

"This is an absolute nightmare with 5 of us plus a dog. Think we're going to have to change holiday plans as it's just not comfortable on long runs."

Makes you wonder how on earth families ever managed to drive anywhere on holiday in the days before air-con became the norm?(!)

Get a couple of these in the mean time if you really think it is that much of a problem,

www.amazon.co.uk/Electric-Cooling-Rotation-Adjusta...n

Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - fredthefifth

Few years ago but my local garage was going to try hydraulic hose if i couldnt solve the constant AC leak problems on my Alhambra. Never happend because source was found but might be worth looking at.

Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - corax

Makes you wonder how on earth families ever managed to drive anywhere on holiday in the days before air-con became the norm?(!)

True, but when manufacturers keep loading cars up with extras, you'd expect something like the aircon system to work, especially on a 2016 Galaxy. How many years has aircon been fitted to cars? (and it's still unreliable).

Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - Avant

I do think that 'back order' is a loathsome expression, as well as being bad English. It means that someone - in fairness not usually the retailer - doesn't care enough about their customers.

If one is told that something is on 'back order', that should be a signal not to buy products from that source again. That's the only way they'll get the message.

Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - galileo

I do think that 'back order' is a loathsome expression, as well as being bad English. It means that someone - in fairness not usually the retailer - doesn't care enough about their customers.

If one is told that something is on 'back order', that should be a signal not to buy products from that source again. That's the only way they'll get the message.

When I worked for a few years in what was the called production scheduling (and is now glorified as 'logistics') we sometimes had orders for a spare turbocharger for an engine built 30 + years ago. Usually for a marine application. If we'd used up all of the specific castings required, it could well take weeks for the foundry to dig out patterns/coreboxes and fit in a small run. Then we had to squeeze a batch into a busy machine shop or into the toolroom, so with the the best will in the world, oddball parts, infrequently needed, may be 'on back-order' for a while even from efficient companies.

Edited by galileo on 24/06/2018 at 22:57

Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - Avant

Fair point, Galileo, which could apply to a car of similar age. But it's inexcusable for a 2016 Galaxy.

Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - galileo

Fair point, Galileo, which could apply to a car of similar age. But it's inexcusable for a 2016 Galaxy.

Quite agree, wouldn't be happy myself in that case.

I suspect that Ford is run according to bean-counters' theoretical methods for maximum profit:.

This means not only "just in time" manufacture and purchasing, but also "exactly as many as teh build plan requires. So parts which are not 'wear and tear' and not expected to fail early are not planned in for routine production, changing supply schedules at short notice can be difficult (as for the Takata airbag issue and other recall campaigns).

Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - Nezza
A lot of the new Galaxy models have dual air con systems. We had this in our last Galaxy and the newer model we now have also has it. Have you tried using the other system if yours has it? (I’m not meaning the dual zone- there is what appears to be a second system specific for the rear of the car which can be controlled completely independently.) I am led to believe there is a second compressor but I can not remember where I read it so not sure how true it is but definitely operates completely independent to the front system.
Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - elekie&a/c doctor

In motor trade lingo if a part goes "back order" this can be because the maker has identified a problem with the part and has to have the part re engineered to overcome the fault. Also the maker may have changed supplier. .This can take time. I would gusee that this is an aluminium pipe that has fractured .Unlikely any dealer would or could carry out ali welding. As for cars fitted with a rear a/c system,sadly there is only one compressor that drives both front and rear operation,so any fault with the front,will stop the rear working.

Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - corax

It seems a shame that Ford didn't design a better aircon system for the later Galaxies considering all the leakage problems with the old Galaxy/Alhambra/Sharan system.

Especially when you consider that an MPV can be like a greenhouse in summer and needs a powerful, reliable system to keep all the potential bodies cool.

Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - gordonbennet

The fix won't be cheap as aircon fixes seldom are, but if you find a proper aircon specialist, preferably one who maintans aircon in buildings as well as vehicles, they will soon patch in a replacement pipe and fittings, and more than likely a better quality repair which lasts longer than the original.

Edited by gordonbennet on 25/06/2018 at 13:05

Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - andy18n
Thanks all for the replies. Have emailed Ford HQ politely but pleading! The comment about MPV’s becoming greenhouses was certainly right today! Don’t fancy endless hours of autoroutes with windows open and buffeting.
As it’s warranty I need to wait and use them otherwise would use an indie to engineer something.
Agree with some comments that we should be able to cope! And we will, just irritating to have an issue in such a new car that cost £25k and has less than 20k mikes! Even more so that we’d bought this to replace an increasingly unreliable and expensive to maintain 75k mile 2010 Galaxy.
Let’s hope Ford do the right thing and help us out. But I’m learning that warranty doesn’t mean trouble free and sometimes might even be harder to navigate a fix!
Thanks again.
Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - tourantass
Re aircon settings.... I nearly always have the aircon on regardless of the weather... However should I always have the recirculated air button on or off... my wife does complain theres no fresh air on a long journey if recirc is left on... but I prefer to set it all to auto and just adjust the temp setting...

There is also a conflict with my son who says dont have the aircon set to auto, just have the temp on low and just use the fan on a low setting..as he doesnt like the fan going hell for leather when i have the aircon on auto and say a temp setting of 19 degrees..as the system works....any thoughts.... I do and can ignore my sons comments but my wife is a different story....
Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - gordonbennet

I only use recirculation when following something that stinks, other than that like your wife i like some fresh air, so tend to have the window open a touch too, this applies to my work lorry, on my half hour commutes to/from work i seldom use the car's aircon at all, ope all windows and sunroof instead.

Sympathise with your lad too, dislike the fans going hell for leather on auto, so i choose a manual setting with sensible fan speed where you can still hear yourself think, fortunately my car has dual aircon so rear passengers can set their own temp and fan speed.

Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - tourantass
My other thought of not using the recirc option was that if there is fresh warm air coming in from outside then the aircon may be constantly battling to regulate the inside....having also just looked through the car manual it does state dint use the recirc mode for extended periods as can cause drowsyness..... I reckon i will give it a go with the recirc off fir a few days and see how We get on...
Ford Galaxy - 2016 Galaxy - major air con issue, no parts avail! - tourantass
PS....I would have started this as a new post but dont know how on the iphone app?