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Driving without Mot to test centre - Jack thomas
Hi there, i’ve just won an car at an auction and it hasnt got MOT or Tax.
The option of getting it delivered by a transportor is quite long and expensive and i was wondering if i was able to drive it myself to a test centre near my house.
Now i’ve been reading that its legal to drive a car withot mot/tax to a pre booked test but i was wondering if there are any restrictions behind. I was planning on pre-booking a test and drive it there from the auction house but the only problem is, i live roughly 3 hours away from the auction place so would that be a problem? Even though i’d be driving the car straight to the MOT test center?

Thanks
Driving without Mot to test centre - bathtub tom

Would you like to explain to plod why you're driving it to an appointment three hours away when there must be dozens closer?

You could take it to an MOT test centre closer to the auction site, but what happens if it fails on something serious, you're still stuck with the problem of transporting it?

Why's it not got a current MOT, have you checked its history?

What's that Clint Eastwood quote: "Do you feel lucky ....?"

Driving without Mot to test centre - RobJP

Yes, technically you can drive to a pre-booked MOT appointment, even if it's 3 hours away.

Do note that it is a legal requirement that your car MUST be roadworthy. Lights, tyres, brakes, etc. etc. must be in a condition where you will pass the MOT upon presentation - so it will be up to you to inspect it and ensure that it is all legal BEFORE you set off on your trip. Also note that any 'stop-off' en-route (apart from to refuel) will mean that you are not travelling directly. to the appointment, and will thus be using the car illegally

If you get 'pinged' by ANPR cameras expect to face a prosecution, and to have to defend your actions in a courtroom.

Do note that you must have insurance cover in place.

Edited by RobJP on 08/04/2018 at 00:59

Driving without Mot to test centre - badbusdriver

Maybe you should have looked into this before bidding on a car with no MOT?

Driving without Mot to test centre - SLO76
The authorities will take a dim view of you trying this. They’ll inspect the car and prosecute for anything that makes it effectively unroadworthy. This rule is designed to allow driving the car to a nearby test centre and not to deliver an unroadworthy vehicle half way across the country. You need to have it towed, hire a transporter or get it Mot’d nearby. Unwise to try driving it with so many ANPR cameras around the country including traffic patrols plus your insurer is unlikely to cover you if you’re involved in an incident so a switched on traffic cop will also do you for driving without insurance. Don’t attempt this!
Driving without Mot to test centre - Bromptonaut

Initially posted this in Legal as OP is double posted.

The answer to this is along the lines of do you feel lucky?

First of all you MUST be insured - no wriggle room there. The car also has to be roadworthy so you need to be sure things like tyres, brakes, steering etc are within limits.

So far as I can tell from the government website there's no restriction on the distance you need to travel for and MoT. The purpose of the legislation though must be to permit what most of us do; take it to a reasonably local testing station. There may be case law on that.

Here's what the 'Ask the Police' website says:

www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q600.htm

Note the caveat about stopping on the way.

If you're stopped you might expect to be grilled about why you didn't get it tested near to where you're collecting it from. While one Copper is doing that his mate might well go over your car with a fine tooth comb looking for faulty lights, tyres or other obvious defects.

Driving without Mot to test centre - Wackyracer

The auctions I bought my van from used a garage just outside their gates and they did MOT's and repairs for people having bought cars at the auctions. Might be worth asking the auction house if they have a nearby garage that does work for them or their customers.

I paid £50 to have the van delivered to me, ask the auction house if they deliver.

Driving without Mot to test centre - John F

Being curious, I often google the gov.uk MoT site to see the MoT history of various cars to see how they fare. Locally, it is fascinating to see how many lapsed weeks ago, yet are being driven around apparently with impunity, presumably until they need re-taxing.

Driving without Mot to test centre - skidpan

When I built my first Caterham it needed an MOT before it could be registered. The system was laid out in the DVLA documents and the MOT had be be carried out at the closest MOT station and be pre booked. Unfortunately my closest MOT station could not MOT the Caterham since the lift they used would not allow the Caterham onto the ramps. The next closest MOT station did their MOT's on a pit thus no issues. I simply informed the DVLA before hand and they agreed to me going to the alternative.

I cannot see the DVLA allowing anyone to drive past numerous MOT stations in a car with no current MOT sim[ply becxause they want to MOT a car they have bought with no MOT when they get home.. If the worst should happen and a failure cause a death there would quite rightly be uproar which would result in a prosecution of the driver and the officer who had given the approval.

Driving without Mot to test centre - Bromptonaut

I cannot see the DVLA allowing anyone to drive past numerous MOT stations in a car with no current MOT sim[ply becxause they want to MOT a car they have bought with no MOT when they get home.. If the worst should happen and a failure cause a death there would quite rightly be uproar which would result in a prosecution of the driver and the officer who had given the approval.

You say you built the Caterham. There are, or were, different rules for kit cars and some other categories where a new or transferred registration number DVLA local office was involved.

AIUI OP has bought a production car, albeit perhaps an unusual or desirable model. No DVLA officer needs to, or would, give approval. HE has to follow usual rules about pre-booked and driving for three hours to that end will raise eyebrows.

Driving without Mot to test centre - skidpan

You say you built the Caterham. There are, or were, different rules for kit cars and some other categories where a new or transferred registration number DVLA local office was involved.

I have actually built 2 Caterhams and the MOT situation applied to both, perfectly legal to drive to your loacl MOT station for a pre-booked MOT with no tax and no registration plates but it had to be insurred. The specialist brokers were aware of the rules and insured it on the VIN, the MOT garage wrote the VIN on the certificate and when it was registered the local DVLA office wrote the reg nunber allocated to the car at the side. All you needed to do then was buy a set of plates.

That simple system was replaced by the SVA test and that was replaced by the IVA test. Much more complicated and much more expensive. No idea of the rules, never needed to find out.

Driving without Mot to test centre - NARU

The penalty for driving without an MOT is a fine but no points.

The penalty for driving a car in dangerous condition is fine and points.

So ... I'd feel reasonably OK about driving a reasonable distance without an MOT as long as I'd checked the basics of the car over for roadworthiness. Especially tyres, brakes, steering, lights.

But driving without tax means you're likely to trigger an ANPR somewhere on the route.

If it were me, I'd MOT it locally. If it fails badly you can then hire a trailer or have it delivered.

Edited by Marlot on 09/04/2018 at 12:19

Driving without Mot to test centre - Middleman

I cannot see the DVLA allowing anyone to drive past numerous MOT stations in a car with no current MOT sim[ply becxause they want to MOT a car they have bought with no MOT when they get home..

As I explained in the other - now closed - thread (under "Legal Matters), there is no restriction on the distance between the beginning of the journey and the chosen MoT station. All that i required is that the appointment must be pre-booked and that the vehicle is driven directly there.

Driving without Mot to test centre - Engineer Andy

I cannot see the DVLA allowing anyone to drive past numerous MOT stations in a car with no current MOT sim[ply becxause they want to MOT a car they have bought with no MOT when they get home..

As I explained in the other - now closed - thread (under "Legal Matters), there is no restriction on the distance between the beginning of the journey and the chosen MoT station. All that i required is that the appointment must be pre-booked and that the vehicle is driven directly there.

...assuming the car is safe to drive (I'm not legal expert on this issue, so I'll leave it to others to argue that point), and that's down to the individual opinion of the Police officer that (may) pull the owner over for a 'chat'.

Personally speaking, I don't think they would also take kindly, even if it were safe at that point, to the owner saying they would be driving it half way across the UK before getting the MOT failure items fixed (as any one of those itmes could easily become 'dangerous' during the long trip), as that would demonstrate an unsafe (and selfish) attitude.

Driving without Mot to test centre - skidpan

Hi there, i’ve just won an car at an auction and it hasnt got MOT or Tax.

I presume you mean E-bay (or similar). The fact that it has no MOT means it has some serious faults, if it didn't the seller would MOT it and get way more than the MOT fee back.

Would you honestly want to drive a car halfway across the country that potentially has serious faults. I think we can accept now that its not technically illegal to drive an indeterminate number of miles to a pre-booked MOT but it is illegal to drive a car with serious faults oon a public highway. Is the OP qualified to ascertain if it has serious faults?

So lets assume for a moment that the car has serious faults and because of a failure is involved in an accident. The insurers will not be happy and the Police will not be happy (especially if someone is injured or worse).

Would anyone on here be willing to take a risk?

Driving without Mot to test centre - Andrew-T

<< I presume you mean E-bay (or similar). The fact that it has no MOT means it has some serious faults, if it didn't the seller would MOT it and get way more than the MOT fee back. >>

Not necessarily - the car may have been SORNed for a considerable time, and the seller decided to get rid, assuming the buyer would truck it away?

Driving without Mot to test centre - Engineer Andy

<< I presume you mean E-bay (or similar). The fact that it has no MOT means it has some serious faults, if it didn't the seller would MOT it and get way more than the MOT fee back. >>

Not necessarily - the car may have been SORNed for a considerable time, and the seller decided to get rid, assuming the buyer would truck it away?

I think that's the problem - the OP wants to DRIVE (as I see it) the car a long distance back to an MOT testing centre/garage near his home and not get it transported there on the back of a truck.

Driving without Mot to test centre - Middleman

Personally speaking, I don't think they would also take kindly, even if it were safe at that point, to the owner saying they would be driving it half way across the UK before getting the MOT failure items fixed (as any one of those itmes could easily become 'dangerous' during the long trip), as that would demonstrate an unsafe (and selfish) attitude.

As I explained in my answer to the other question, it isn't a matter of whether they "take too kindly" to it or not. The legislation does not specify that the vehicle must be taken to the nearest MoT station, or one "reasonably close" or any similar stipulation. It makes no condition at all other than the appointment having to be pre-booked and the vehicle being driven directly there. I cited an example of a driver taking his car from Birmingham to London for a test and he was acquitted in court.

Neither are we talking about a car in a dangerous or unroadworthy condition. That is an offence at any time, with or without a valid MoT. The question was simply about driving to a pre-booked MoT and there is no restriction on the distance the vehicle can be driven to a pre-booked appointment.

Edited by Middleman on 10/04/2018 at 21:28

Driving without Mot to test centre - Engineer Andy

Personally speaking, I don't think they would also take kindly, even if it were safe at that point, to the owner saying they would be driving it half way across the UK before getting the MOT failure items fixed (as any one of those itmes could easily become 'dangerous' during the long trip), as that would demonstrate an unsafe (and selfish) attitude.

As I explained in my answer to the other question, it isn't a matter of whether they "take too kindly" to it or not. The legislation does not specify that the vehicle must be taken to the nearest MoT station, or one "reasonably close" or any similar stipulation. It makes no condition at all other than the appointment having to be pre-booked and the vehicle being driven directly there. I cited an example of a driver taking his car from Birmingham to London for a test and he was acquitted in court.

Neither are we talking about a car in a dangerous or unroadworthy condition. That is an offence at any time, with or without a valid MoT. The question was simply about driving to a pre-booked MoT and there is no restriction on the distance the vehicle can be driven to a pre-booked appointment.

3hrs away is a bit more than London to Birmingham. personally, I think that's pushing their luck.

Driving without Mot to test centre - skidpan

Neither are we talking about a car in a dangerous or unroadworthy condition.

How do you know that?

The OP has only posted once and there is no mention of the age or condition of the vehicle in that post.

Driving without Mot to test centre - Andrew-T

<< How do you know that? The OP has only posted once and there is no mention of the age or condition of the vehicle in that post. >>

We don't know the opposite either, until the OP reveals the reg. of the vehicle. Each of us can assume what we like in the absence of info.

Driving without Mot to test centre - 520i

Presumably there is also the opposite angle, that it is illegal for the vendor to allow the vehicle to be sold and knowingly driven away in an unroadworthy condition? Having said that, I suppose that issue is circumvented if the sale has already taken place remotely? Or is it the point of V5 exchange that counts? Or does the "it's going straight for an MOT" get around it? Interesting.

Edited by 520i on 11/04/2018 at 16:14

Driving without Mot to test centre - badbusdriver

Presumably there is also the opposite angle, that it is illegal for the vendor to allow the vehicle to be sold and knowingly driven away in an unroadworthy condition? Having said that, I suppose that issue is circumvented if the sale has already taken place remotely? Or is it the point of V5 exchange that counts? Or does the "it's going straight for an MOT" get around it? Interesting.

I'm not sure what the letter of the law says, but i very much doubt it is the venders responsibilty to make sure the car is not driven away in an un-roadworthy condition. The car was advertised as not having an MOT, so it is entirely up to the buyer how the vehicle is removed. Assuming it was a garage or a trader (unlikely) then they may well try to prevent the car being driven away in such a condition, or even inform the Police if they feel the car is a danger, but ultimately, if the car is 'as described' and if money has changed hands, it is not their responsibility.

Driving without Mot to test centre - Middleman

3hrs away is a bit more than London to Birmingham. personally, I think that's pushing their luck.

It isn’t a matter of “luck”. It is a matter of the legislation. He can be lucky and not be detected at all or he can be unlucky and detected within two minutes of driving off, His defence is available regardless providing the two conditions I mentioned are met. The issue has been tested in court on more than one occasion (the Birmingham to London example being just one) and found to be sound.

Neither are we talking about a car in a dangerous or unroadworthy condition.

How do you know that?

I don’t. I was simply answering the question which centred around driving a vehicle a considerable distance for an MoT test. You cannot drive an unroadworthy vehicle 100 yards to an MoT station with or without a valid MoT which would have been my answer had that question been asked. In my earlier answer I voiced warnings about driving an unroadworthy vehicle.

Edited by Middleman on 11/04/2018 at 18:39

Driving without Mot to test centre - Jack thomas
Ive decided its probably cheaper and safer to have it transpeoted to my house where i can then MOT it down the local garage which is less than half a mile away!