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Finding a petrol car - needle in haystack - skidpan

With a Kia Seed it's just 5%. Just like looking for a needle in a haystack.

Thats because very few people who actually test drove a petrol Ceed of the vintage you were looking at actually bought one. The engine might have had quite a few BHP but there was very little torque which was at highish revs. On the Top gear test track it seemed to go well enough, on the road in the real world it was even slower and less gutsy that a Mazdo 3 with the 2 litre 122 PS petrol.

We loved our diesel Ceed but the petrol one was a definite no. But I would have thought some of the newer 1.0 GDi-T are in that price range now and those should be a bit better (I would hope).

Finding a petrol car - needle in haystack - Engineer Andy

I would make a different assessment to skidpan's - given the current situation surround diesels - dieselgate generally and proposed city bans and hikes in taxes, more people are flogging diesels and buying new/nearly new petrol engined cars, especially ones like skidpan's (TSi).

What also seems to have happened is that because of petrol engined cars, at least since DPFs & Co came on the scene for diesels, are more reliable and thus owners keep them longer, especially if they're a private buyer. Many diesel cars are company cars or hire cars, so there has been historically for at least 10 years more of them on the second hand market.

In addition, many makes, such as Volvo, have been really pushing sales of diesel cars, often to reduce their corporate CO2 average across their range to avoid EU fines, as this was much easier done (up until Dieselgate, that is) with diesel engines, especially with larger cars.

I remember when looking for a replacement for my 12yo Mazda3 1.6 petrol this time last year going to a Volvo dealership and looking on the manufacturer's website and finding practical no petrol engined V40s for sale, and in fact the sales staff weren't interested in selling me one, backed up by similar experiences by other backroomers. The same goes for other makes as well, especially those selling larger 'premium' cars.

This will start to change, but I doubt if we'll see anything near to 50:50 for a couple of years, if not more. The hire and company car market for diesel cars is, if I recall correctly, far larger than the private car buying market, and as such I doubt if things will change that quickly, given most of them will still be diesels, as they flog them before their first MOT is due, giving someone else the headache of keeping the DPF etc in good order, especially now that that test is changing and becoming more strict for diesels.

Finding a petrol car - needle in haystack - skidpan

this time last year going to a Volvo dealership and looking on the manufacturer's website and finding practical no petrol engined V40s for sale, and in fact the sales staff weren't interested in selling me one, backed up by similar experiences by other backroomers.

One of those would be me. In 2013 we went to look at the recently introduced V40 at the local Volvo emporium and were told point blank they did not sell petrols despite them being listed on the interweb. Did not persue it since once we had driven the Leon TSi I could see no point.

Same when in late 2016 we were interested in looking at and driving a V60 petrol. Thought things may be better since we were in the onset of dieselgate but no, dealer still did not do petrols. Since I was really interested (the 2.0 T4 with 190 PS and 230 torques really interested me especially after the huge discounts available) I contacted Volvo who said they had no idea who would have a petrol to drive but they did say all dealers should actually sell them.

Eventually located one but it was 160 miles away and when i spoke to them they could not gaurantee it being on site when I arrived after a 4 hour drive.

So I simply gave up and bought the Superb. No regrets.

Finding a petrol car - needle in haystack - movilogo

If you are looking for SUV, then petrol is difficult to find one.

However, I think for hatchbacks petrol models are easy to find.

Kia Ceed sold plenty of petrol models including few autos (I owned Ceed Mk1 and Mk2 petrol autos). Kia lately stopped offering petrol auto models for Ceed but next year they will re-introduce a trubo petrol auto Ceed.

The dieselgate scandal is forcing lots of manufacturers to up their game on petrols.

Next couple of years will be interesting.

Finding a petrol car - needle in haystack - IRC

Not sure if increased demand is pushing up prices as well. I was looking for a large petrol estate up to 2 years old.

I looked at a Skoda Octavia 1.4Tsi priced at 13K. The dealer wouldn't budge on sticker price and only offered the £4k WeBuyAnyCar valuation for my trade in (bought from and serviced by him) .

After seeing the same car quoted at just under £16k brand new (DrivetheDeal) I decided the 2 yr old was overpriced. An extra £3k for brand new with the benefits of 3yr warranty and the sure knowledge it hasn't beeen hired, smoked in, crashed etc was a no brainer.

Buying new gave me the chance to choose my own colour and specify things like all season tyres and a few odds and ends like fold flat front passenger seat.

I went for a Skoda Superb Tsi 150 estate at £18k rather than an Octavia.

The last time I changed my car 5 years ago there was the same issue buying second hand. Most large family cars are bought by companies and the govt tax advantages for diesel meant second hand petrols were few and far between.

Finding a petrol car - needle in haystack - skidpan

I'm reluctant to go back to a VAG car. Even though Octavia and superb are spacious they're not as space efficient as my MK1 Focus estate.

I remember looking at the Mk1 Focus estate to replace a Mk3 Golf hatch. Basically we need a bigger boot and extra rear seat space. The Focus met the 1st requirement easilly but fell way short on the 2nd. But to be fair so did the Mk1 Octavia estate, an even bigger boot than the Focus estate but totally hopeless rear accomodation, you felt like you were sitting on the floor. We bought a Mk3 Mondeo hatch, perfect for our needs.

Regarding your needs for a £7000 petrol if I still had my 13 plate Leon 1400 TSi SE 140 PS that is about the price I would be expecting for it as a private sale. Would have approx 35,000 miles on it. No better car for the money.

Finding a petrol car - needle in haystack - Bromptonaut

Now we're told not to buy diesel cars. So as a used car buyer with a budget of £5,000 - £7,000 I did a used car buyer website search for estate cars in that range. Now diesel/petrol sales are supposed to be about 50:50 yet only about 20% of cars in my price bracket are petrol. Where has the other 30% gone? And if you want a Mazda gloomy on the inside 6 it's even less than 20% that are petrol. With a Kia Seed it's just 5%. Just like looking for a needle in a haystack.

50/50 is across the whole UK market. At the compact/city car end of range Petrol is mich more common. In some ranges there's not even a diesel option. When you get to medium siize, and more so in a price bracket where cars were sold before dieselgate and NoX became news, the fact that most are diesel is not surprising.

We'd certainly never have looked at a petrol Berlingo in 2013, never mind 2005.

Finding a petrol car - needle in haystack - gordonbennet

Subaru Forester, you know it makes sense, we've just got back with SWMBO new wheels, 2008 2.5XT with the grand total of 27k on the clock.

Presumably you don't want the eye watering VED (nor did we but the car was too good to pass) and you may not want the eye watering acceleration either.:-), but a 2.0 litre or 2.5 NA if you were to consider a Legacy or Outback (some rare 2.0 litre engines in Legacys too), then i can only recommend Subarus.

The soon to be for sale H6 Outback whilst now 16 years old we've had for 4 years, bought for a whopping £1070 and we had LPG fitted, and in the last 4 years it has never missed a beat and nothing apart from the odd consumable has needed replacing.

The main thing about Subarus, that you would really appreciate, is the engineering, they are a joy to work on being designed to be maintained not just manufactured cheaply...ie the front drive shafts are all circlipped and after easy removal the whole shaft comes apart in minutes, so a split boot is a couple of hours satisfying job at the cost of a couple of boots and some fresh grease.

No matter how cheap do not even think of a Subaru Diesel though, they got it badly wrong.

Finding a petrol car - needle in haystack - corax

Subaru Forester, you know it makes sense, we've just got back with SWMBO new wheels, 2008 2.5XT with the grand total of 27k on the clock.

Excellent news, that's incredibly low mileage, who was the owner?

It should stand her in good stead, very tough and reliable and not many weak spots - of course it's in good hands servicing wise :-)

Where does it stand regarding cambelt change? Officially it's every 105k but I would imagine the belt is in good condition despite being ten years old.

Finding a petrol car - needle in haystack - gordonbennet

Excellent news, that's incredibly low mileage, who was the owner?

Where does it stand regarding cambelt change? Officially it's every 105k but I would imagine the belt is in good condition despite being ten years old.

Really nice chap who loves Subarus, this was bought for his wife and she's now got another but in red, he only runs them during the winter hence the low miles, he's owns a small classic car workshop and drives classics all summer, hence the low mileage, he bought the car off one of his customers a couple of years ago...he'd fit in here well, thinks similarly to most of us about this long life servicing cobblers.

Belts done last year.

Its in excellent condition underneath, can't wait for the warm weather so i can get cracking, all the oils, brakes full refurb, full wash down then mega rustrpoofing...oh and spark plugs...arrrgh.

Bromp

the early Diesels had crank problems, which led to distorted blocks and damaged heads, or was that the other way round, short injector life too, supposed to be sorted in later versions, time will tell...a search on the bay will find lots of them with dead engines (apparently not worth fixing and used good engines must be in short supply) the used values have nose dived.

Trilogy, sorry you found a not so good Subaru all those years ago, i really like the old school Japanese ethos, ''it wasn't broke so we didn't fix it'', the geezer responsible for the Diesel fiasco must be a pariah in Japan.

Edited by gordonbennet on 04/03/2018 at 21:14

Finding a petrol car - needle in haystack - Bromptonaut

No matter how cheap do not even think of a Subaru Diesel though, they got it badly wrong.

Just when I was thinking a diesel Forester or possibly an Outback was the dogs doo dahs for towing my next caravan.

What did they get wrong?

Edited by Bromptonaut on 04/03/2018 at 20:58

Finding a petrol car - needle in haystack - RT

No matter how cheap do not even think of a Subaru Diesel though, they got it badly wrong.

Just when I was thinking a diesel Forester or possibly an Outback was the dogs doo dahs for towing my next caravan.

What did they get wrong?

The engine and transmission !!!

I'd remind you of something someone in the Back Room pointed out to me back in '07 when i wasa looking for a 4wd estate with good ground clearance - the choice was a Volvo V70 5-cylinder diesel or a Subaru Outback 2.5 petrol, both automatics - the amount I saved buying the Subaru and ZERO repair costs more than covered the extra fuel cost - the best heads up I've ever been given.

Finding a petrol car - needle in haystack - daveyK_UK
Petrol 7 seaters less than 5 years old sell very fast indeed.

Dealers can get full retail price for them, no haggling.

Vauxhall Zafira tourer 1 year ago could be had 12 months old on a 16 plate in the 1.4 petrol or 1.8 petrol for £10999 from most vendors or £10499 if you shopped around.

Now you would struggle to get one today at 1 year old (17 plate) for under £12k

Is that £1k increase down to a reduction in supply, general inflation or increased demand for petrol engines?