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Nissan Micra 1998 1.0L - Brake Pipes - westburry

Hi,

Be grateful of some advice....Car just failed MOT due to rusty brake pipe on nearside rear.

Use to be part of car clubs where we would do work on cars but it being a while now since I did anything and would like to give replacing brake pipe myself ( get my hands dirty !!)...but never done brake pipe before.

Question is :

Is there a certain type of pipe e.g. copper piping, steel piping, copper nickel piping etc ?

Grateful of any help.

Thanks

Patrick

Nissan Micra 1998 1.0L - Brake Pipes - skidpan

Go to a decent factors and they will sell you a set of ready made up brake pipes for a Micra that should fit with no issues. Normal materials are plastic coated steel or Kunifer (copper/nickel alloy). Kunifer is easier to bend, with steel you really need the correct tool to avoid kinking. Whilst you are at it replace any flexibles as well, they degrade and crack with time.

Problem you will most likely find is getting the old threaded fittings to come out. Wheel cylinders are alloy and over the years the alloy and the fitting will have welded themselves together. Its much easier to simply fit new wheel cylinders at the same time which will also give you nice new bleed nipples.

You will also need some brake fluid. Don't be tempted with the expensive silicone or synthetic stuff. DOT 4 is adequate for just about every car on the roads.

Nissan Micra 1998 1.0L - Brake Pipes - westburry

Hi Skidpan,

thanks very much for your advice it's been a great help....looking forward to gettig my hands dirty.

Can I just ask you on thing I noticed the brake piping ...

what is the swg value on the brake piping ?

Thanks

Patrick

Nissan Micra 1998 1.0L - Brake Pipes - gordonbennet

The stuff you want used to be called Kunifer pipe (it might still be so but its years since i needed to change a pipe because i grease them up), its a copper alloy of some sort and lasts forever, its also very pliable so you can buy a pre cut length of straight pipe with the correct ends and bend it into shape.

Hopefully there is a flexible rubber pipe just before the pipe(s) that need changing, if so grip it closed gently with mole grips preferably wrapped in rag of some other proetection so the grips don't cut the pipe, if you don't do this its likely the fluid will drain out of the mastere cylinder.

Then remove the offending pipe and take it to a factor who will make the right pipe up for you while you wait, i suggest you do it this way because you might find the pipe nuts won't come undone and you can end up replacing slave cylinders or the next pipe along the line till you reach a joint which does come undone.

You will probably need to buy a brake spanner of the right size, a claw type ring spanner with a suitable sized slot cut so it can slide over the pipe and onto the nut, 5 sided as it were, don't be tempted to cut a suitable groove in a normal ring spanner the chances of it being strong enough are minimal.

Don't forget to check the bleed screws come undone before toddling off to the factors, and that you have a jar of suitable brake fluid and an assistant to help with bleeing unless you happen to have a one man brake bleeding kit lurking about.

If you have access to a Ginsons or similar one man bleed kit, and the top fits the master cylinder, i would be inclined to use it, one such an old car its entirely possible two man old school bleeding will see a master cylinder seal fail because the seal is touching surfaces it hasn't been anywhere near for 20 years, if you have to do it the old way take great care.

Would be a good opportunity to bleed the whole system at the same time but be gentle with the bleed screws because if any sheer off its new caliper or slave cylinder time.

Edited by gordonbennet on 25/02/2018 at 13:20

Nissan Micra 1998 1.0L - Brake Pipes - elekie&a/c doctor

Replacing brake pipes on a car this age could be a nasty job,especially if all the fittings and unions are seized. I would leave it to a local garage who probably have all the reqd materials on the shelf.

Nissan Micra 1998 1.0L - Brake Pipes - westburry

Hi Elekie,

Thanks for your advice ...what you say makes sense but It being a while since i did anything and just fancy giving it a go. If it gets a bit too much I think I will take your advice.

Thanks

Patrick

Nissan Micra 1998 1.0L - Brake Pipes - westburry

Hi GordonBennett,

Thanks for your advice its been a great help.

Patrick

Nissan Micra 1998 1.0L - Brake Pipes - hardway

I wouldn't even start it until I'd put a blow torch on the bleed nipples.

You shear the ones off on the front callipers and they'll need renewed.

And the break a lot!!

If they free off what I do is cut the pipe as close t the fitting as you can get,

Both ends then remove the pipe and use this as a pattern for length and bends.

Buy a roll of 6 mm pipe from your factors and new ends too.

A brake pipe bend pliers is a good investment for neat as O/E bends.

Nissan Micra 1998 1.0L - Brake Pipes - westburry

Hi Hardway,

Thanks for your advice... I'll have a check of first.

Thanks

Patrick

Nissan Micra 1998 1.0L - Brake Pipes - edlithgow

Some points

1. Assuming you arent replacing all your brake pipes with copper now, you should take steps to preserve the remaining ones, otherwise you may have to fairly soon.

I.d rub them with a lump of crumpled aluminium foil dipped in sunflower oil.

The foil wraps around the pipe to give good coverage (the pipe cuts a groove in the lump of foil), its an abrasive so it'll take some rust off (you can do it first dry if there's a lot) and it generates an aluminium/oil paste which tends to fill in pitting.

The oil eventually sets to a very adherent coating (it contains epoxies) but it takes quite a long time, and in the UK at this time of the year might be vulnerable to wash-off. Might have to re-do it in the summer.

2. A 50 or 60ml enema syringe makes a very good cheap brake bleeding tool. It'll pull or push fluid, or cycle between the two, which is a useful function if there are stubborn bubbles. The simplest brake bleed, however, just uses gravity. Very zen. (I have no experience of using either with ABS though).

3. If I manage to get bleed nipples off without shearing them I clean up the threads with aluminium and then wrap PTFE tape around the upper portion of the threads, along with a trace of silicon grease if I have any, or ear wax if I don't. The tape tends to stop them sucking air during bleeding, and, more importantly, it tends to stop them seizing, You should avoid getting bits of PTFE actually in the pipe because it could interfere with brake operation by acting as a non-return valve flap.

4. Consider DOT3 as an alternative to DOT4, if its approved for your car. Here its about half the price, and its supposed to be less hygroscopic. IIRC it has a lower boiling point, but that's unlikely to be an issue in a non-motorsport context.

Edited by edlithgow on 03/03/2018 at 00:10

Nissan Micra 1998 1.0L - Brake Pipes - westburry

Hi Edithgow

Thanks very much for that...

Patrick