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Volkswagen Passat B5 2002 VW V6 TDI - Cutting out when re started - Matt Newell

Hi Can anyone help. I have seen similar posts, but dont think they are exactly the same issue. About 3 months ago, my 2002 V6 Tdi just stoped when I went to go out again. The car had been driven fine all morning, but came home for some lunch. Started it after lunch, drove down the road about 100 yards and it just cut out. Left it for about 2 hours and it started and ran fine after that. A week later, it did exactly the same thing. Lent it to my VW mechanic, great mate of mine and he had it for a month, driving to and from work, no problem and he could not find any fault codes, when he came to pick it up.

He obviously didnt drive the car during the day, so it did not replicate the fault, because he wasnt getting back into it soon after stopping. IE he was driving to work and then driving home in the evening, which gave it time to cool down. Got it back, drove it for a few days. Parked in a car park, went off for about half an hour, came back, drove about 100 yards and it packed up. AA came, it started, but then stopped immediately, fault code for Engine speed crank shaft sensor. Took it to my VW mate, new sensor the next day, drove it for a week. Parked in a car park, came back about 45 minutes later. Started it up and then it cut out.

Part of me wants to just get rid of it, but it is in stunning condition and would like to keep it, if we can just solve what the problem is.

Any ideas?

Volkswagen Passat B5 2002 VW V6 TDI - Cutting out when re started - elekie&a/c doctor

With any diesel running fault,I always recommend starting with the basics.Is the fuel filter good?replace if unsure.Check all fuel lines for any leaks which could cause air ingress.Check operation of in tank lift pump.Worst case possible fault within the electronic diesel pump,which sadly make this a write-off as its around a £2k fix.

Volkswagen Passat B5 2002 VW V6 TDI - Cutting out when re started - Matt Newell

Hi Many thanks for your help, as I really need it. My VW mechanic mate has looked after this car with incredible detail, ever since I took ownership of it 4 years ago. Accordingly, he changes the fuel filter every 10,000 miles. Fair point on fuel and air lines, will get him to check. tank lift pump has merrit, but does not explain the pathology of this fault. IE the car drives fine for the school run, IE for about 45 minutes driving,, never an issue, then park up and sometimes, but not always,, the issue arrises, either within a few seconds of starting up, or about 100 yards, so always once the car is at running temp and has been left for a while. I would think that a lift pump issue would strike at any time and not be temperature related. I don't think it is the injector pump, I had one go on a previous V6 Tdi, at 80 MPH in the fast lane of the M40 only just made it to the hard shoulder. I have never heard of one functioning again, after it packe up. That one cost me £750 and my mate fitted it for £250, VW wanted £2.5k to do it. I almost wish it was this, because The car is in stunning condition, plus I know everytything that has beend done on it..

Volkswagen Passat B5 2002 VW V6 TDI - Cutting out when re started - Cyd

It does still sound very much like a ckp (crank) sensor issue. Check the continuity of the wiring to the sensor, there may be a break somewhere.

I’m not familiar with this engine so don’t know if it’s a 2 wire or 3 wire ckp. Either way have the signals checked.

If it’s a 3 wire, it’s possible the 12V signal to the ckp is intermittently dropping out. One way to check for this is to connect a w5w bulb (or 12V LED) to each end and see if they go out next time the fault occurs. Depending upon which one (or both) go out would indicate a possible ecu or wiring fault.

Volkswagen Passat B5 2002 VW V6 TDI - Cutting out when re started - Matt Newell

Many thanks Cyd and I tend to agree. My mechanic mate said he was going to check the wiring out, because we both believe it is down to the signal getting lost and causing it to cut out. He said he replaced it with a genuine VW part to be on the safe side and is going to get it exchanged, just in case it is also faulty, though I doubt it is. I am wondering if the wires can be replaced to be on the safe side, or do they dissapear into a massive loom, which would then be a major op?

Thanks for the info on the method of testing. That would be one for my mate to do, if it packed up on him, because all testing needs to be done at the time of break down. Once the cam has all closed down, there are never any faults registered in the log, the only reason we got the fault code the last time it broke down, was because the AA guy turned up so quickly and managed to get the code, which he gave to my mechanic mate.

One question. Why would this happen only once the engine has heated up and then cooled down a bit?

Volkswagen Passat B5 2002 VW V6 TDI - Cutting out when re started - elekie&a/c doctor

Very unlikely to be a faulty sensor,especially if it is a genuine part from VW.It is not possible to renew the wiring inside the main harness,but it is possible to make a new wiring harness and run it external to the main loom from the crank sensor to the ecu.This would need to be done with the correct wiring and plug connector.When the engine cuts out,it should be possible to read the actual engine speed in live data through the diagnostic system.This will confirm if the engine rpm signal is actually being lost.

Volkswagen Passat B5 2002 VW V6 TDI - Cutting out when re started - Matt Newell

I tend to agree, more desparation than anything and Mike was going to get it on warranty, but I think it would just be a waste of time, as it is highly unlikely. I will let Mike know about the external wiring option. Could it not be the ECU ? The problem is it cuts out so rarely and randomly that it is extremely difficult to have the diagnostic system to hand, which is partly why it has been such hard work to pin it down. Thank you again.

Volkswagen Passat B5 2002 VW V6 TDI - Cutting out when re started - elekie&a/c doctor

I think you are in the world of unknowns here.There are loads of possibilities,but without any hard evidence this is going to be difficult to pin down.I would guess this engine has the bosch vp44 diesel pump which has integrated edu built into the top of the unit.These can be erratic and cause cut outs.The main ecu sits under the plenum chamber cover,below the wiper linkage,along with the main injection relays.

Volkswagen Passat B5 2002 VW V6 TDI - Cutting out when re started - Railroad.

Find someone with VCDS to help you. Take the car for a drive with someone with VCDS in the passenger seat monitoring the engine measuring blocks. When the engine cuts out you may see the reason why. At the very least you should be able to eliminate what it isn't. Fuel temperature sensors have been known to fail on these. Although they're inside the pump it is possible to change them. Also using VCDS check the fuel pump base timing. This can be done with the TDi timing tool in basic settings. The timing reading information is gathered from the needle lift sensor and the fuel temperature sensor, the values of which will be displayed on the PC screen.

Edited by Railroad. on 16/11/2016 at 09:17

Volkswagen Passat B5 2002 VW V6 TDI - Cutting out when re started - Matt Newell

Thank you gents. Pleanty to work with then. My mechanic mate has VCDS, but as I say, if he is not able to connect it in time, IE before the CAM completely shuts down, no fault is registered in the log. The AA did diagnose cam shaft engine speed sensor code because they arrived while the car was still failing to start. My mate replaced it, but maybe it is the wiring connecting to the sensor. Will pass all the feedback to him and see where that goes....

Volkswagen Passat B5 2002 VW V6 TDI - Cutting out when re started - Railroad.

There's a lot more to VCDS than just checking fault codes. The reason why your engine is cutting out may not even generate a fault code. The ECM will only generate a code if something falls outside of its programmed parameters. VCDS is very comprehensive. You can do live data monitoring in both digit and graph form.

Volkswagen Passat B5 2002 VW V6 TDI - Cutting out when re started - Matt Newell

OK Thank you, I will discuss with Mike and see what he suggests.

I still cant help wondering, why this only happens after the car has run for about an hour and been left for half an hour or so. It never happens during a journey, only when re started and then within the first couple of minutes of re starting.