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Audi A6 Avant - Suggest a car- estate/crossover/SUV - maybe A6? - Oliver Mayo

Hello everyone.

Currently researching to buy a 'new' car for the family, to run alongside my wifes Volvo XC60.

I am considering an Audi A6 Avant, will be medium mileage, maybe up to 80-90K miles.

We have a dog, very much live the rural life in Somerset and already have one child and will probably have additional in future.

We need a sizeable boot, 4 wheel drive is nearly essential, ground clearance....not so sure.

I am leaning toward an A6 because it seems to offer a high spec, a sizeable boot and a pokey engine.

Not too concerned about fuel economy really so petrol or diesel would be acceptable, without getting too insane (no V8s!).

My main concern is reliability. Obviously these cars were not cheap to buy when new, and in my experience if you aren't careful repair costs can be vastly different compared to the cost of running a Mondeo.

I will be the main driver but my wife might potentially need to take it to work one day. I intend to keep the car for a fair time and run it to high mileage- I see that there are legions of Audis with staggering miles on them on Autotrader so I can only assume they are capable of it.

Main question then - is the engine and gearbox/drive train on these Audis sound? I have heard about multitronic woes but I will opt for the real torque convertor auto if needs be?

Lastly, am I mad and should in fact be considering a different car? My wife suggested a VW Toureg, or maybe a Volvo V50/V70- all of which pose the same question, are they a sound second hand buy which will run on sensibly to high mileages as my daily driver without exploding or costing me £4000 for a replacement gearbox etc?

I have tried the Subaru Impreza wagon pitch but there is no way my wife will accept one I'm afraid.

Audi A6 Avant - Suggest a car- estate/crossover/SUV - maybe A6? - Steveieb
Look no further than the A6 Avant but only with the 3.0 TDI engine and preferably with Quattro spec and definitely the manual transmission.

My son in law recently bought an 07 Reg in this spec and is delighted with it. One word of caution ,avoid the auto as my work colleague had a bill of £8k to repair the gearbox .

The 3.0 engine suffers from inlet manifold servo motor failures and as it a V6 there are two.They cost £1k to fix.

There are plenty of 2litre TDI s available but these have inherent problems with the oil pump.

So the A 6 to go for is a 07 3litre Tdi with Quattro and the icing on the cake is the performance without any DPF problems.
Audi A6 Avant - Suggest a car- estate/crossover/SUV - maybe A6? - RobJP

A shame your wife doesn't like the Subaru - is it a specific Impreza thing, or the brand as a whole.

The Forester and Outback in particular are cracking pieces of kit, especially with petrol engines.

Audi A6 Avant - Suggest a car- estate/crossover/SUV - maybe A6? - sandy56

Suggest you look at Peugeot 508SW. They do a high spec Allure version and also a 200bhp GT version.

Audi A6 Avant - Suggest a car- estate/crossover/SUV - maybe A6? - Oliver Mayo

Thanks guys.

I was not aware that the torque converter box was an issue, I thought the multitronic one was the bad egg?

I am a firm fan of everything Subaru and had many trouble free miles out of my Legacy and would love the wagon Impreza but the wife will not allow it.

Forester etc is all ok but the interior is a bit low rent and they don't have the appeal they once did.

Everything I look at in the A6 seems to be the perfect fit. Spacious, comfortable, good at long distances if needs be, well equipped with virtually everything a driver could want, and a monster engine if you so choose as well. Throw in Quattro and it is nearly a done deal. I would opt for an Allroad but the horrors of the air suspension put me off a bit. I don't mind paying a tidy sum to have a car fixed or overhauled or whatever but recurring faults involving the same components would make me see red and end the love affair.

Audi A6 Avant - Suggest a car- estate/crossover/SUV - maybe A6? - Theophilus

"We ... live the rural life in Somerset. We need a sizeable boot, 4 wheel drive is nearly essential, ground clearance....not so sure."

Just interested ... why would you consider 4wd "nearly essential" but less concerned re ground clearance?

I lived for several years in a very remote district in north-western Kenya, 40-50 miles of mud (and I mean mud!) trail from the nearest tarmac road. For the first year I drove a battered Datsun estate, then a VW Variant (estate version of a Beetle) and finally a Volvo 145 estate. All were 2 wheel drive and even on thick mud through steep forest trails the only thing that stopped me was lack of clearance. With suitable tyres there isn't much that a 2wd can't get through, but if the ruts are really deep (heavy forestry trucks cut up our trails) then increased ground clearance is really the essential in my experience.

Audi A6 Avant - Suggest a car- estate/crossover/SUV - maybe A6? - RobJP

I assume it's not going properly 'off-road' at all, barely leaving tarmac.

However, gritting in rural areas is virtually non-existent. So 4WD (and winter tyres, realistically) are pretty essential, with narrow (and occasionally steep) lanes.

The only big issue to be aware of with the A6 Avant - especially if going for the larger engines - is that they often come with 'upgraded' brakes, which require big wheels (19 or even 20 inch) as standard, for which winter tyres can be scarce, or terrifyingly expensive.

Audi A6 Avant - Suggest a car- estate/crossover/SUV - maybe A6? - Steveieb
So pleased to hear you are impressed with the A6 Tdi 3.0 Quattro.
Another consideration is safety and the A 6 is a substantial car and arguably much stronger than its Japanese counterparts.
The auto box on the later models would I'm sure be multi tronic and my friends had to be returned to the main agents when other attempts to fix it failed. Audi paid the balance of 5k to exchange the box when the repair failed,so a manual is the one I would choose.
Do get the inlet manifold servos checked as this is a common fault and expensive to fix the two.
My son in law is hard to please and his 07 model at less than £10k has fitted the bill perfectly .
Audi A6 Avant - Suggest a car- estate/crossover/SUV - maybe A6? - John F

Thanks guys.

I was not aware that the torque converter box was an issue, I thought the multitronic one was the bad egg?

It was. But the ZF5HP19 tiptronic (in my 1998 A6 2.8) is virtually bombproof. And with only front wheel drive, it would claw itself up most snowy hills - I never felt the need for 4x4. I had it from 77,000m -133,000m, sold at 15yrs old, only cost me a front spring plus the usual brakes/tyres/plugs etc. Didn't even need to change the well designed strong cambelt!

Audi A6 Avant - Suggest a car- estate/crossover/SUV - maybe A6? - Oliver Mayo

The reason for the need for 4 wheel drive is two fold- firstly the rural lanes and roads in my area, which don't see grit anyway, are generally in less than perfect condition, throw in even wet winter weather and the inevitable mud from farm machinery and roads can get pretty hairy without warning.

I work as an agronomist presently and nearly do as much off-roading as on road work- certainly I go off tarmac and even off hard standings/tracks daily. Hence the use of a company Navara complete with the BFG Goodrich tyres, and because it runs in rear wheel drive by default, it becomes interesting trying to drive in the conditions I described above. I'm talking if you pull slightly on to the verge to let a car or something pass, and then try to pull away, you sit there and don't move until you put it into 4wd. During the wet weather in July I even managed to slide the thing off some pretty terrible tarmac and put it into a ditch at 20mph.

My wife is a farm vet and part of her work includs routine out of hours call outs. I don't relish the thought of her being called out at midnight on some dark and hideous night in just a Focus if I am honest. Whilst the XC60 is her day to day car there could be some reason that the Audi would be pressed into service instead. Of course it would go off tarmac but generally would not leave a hardened surface or be expected to traverse rutted tracks or anything- I wouldn't want to put the Volvo through that, nor any other SUV type vehicle actually, I don't believe any of them have sufficient ground clearance.

In my previous life I used to have amongst other things, a Subaru Legacy Spec B, which was one of the most capable cars I have ever owned. I had it for several years and drove it some of the most atrocious weathers- including full blown snow which saw most cars just sit there at the slightest incline. I remember once driving home after unsuccessfully trying to get to work one morning after a heavy snowfall (roads all blocked by cars or HGVs all over the place) and was less than 10 miles from home when the road became blocked by a half dozen cars none of which could climb a slight slope. I turned around and went home via an even more scenic route on mostly minor roads, I'm talking 3 or 4 inches of pristine snow, untouched. I was driving through villages and down the lanes steady and people were utterly amazed to find that mere saloon car appear and trundle on by. There were people in the streets building snowmen and riding sledges, all bewildered that I had even got that far much less was carrying on. I was amazed that a set of Toyo Proxes (admittedly with plenty of meat left on them) would work in that kind of situation, but work they did.

Hence I am very keen that our second car is a 4 wheel drive as well, like the XC60. The size and safety factor built into the A6 (numerous safety features all as standard) also swings me more in that direction. They are also very well equipped as I said earlier.

I would have another Legacy in a heartbeat, but the new ones look ugly, they are reliable but suffer from hideous parts prices, whereas anything German you can get from GSF etc.

My uncle owns an independant garage and his customer base is nearly entirely composed of people running cars of this kind who are fed up with main dealers bleeding them dry. Hence a lot of the cars he sees are middle or premium ends of the market brought in once the warranty has expired. Hence I sought his advice the moment I began thinking about the idea of going German.

Regarding the timing belt thing- he has said that you need to change it according to the manufacturer recommendations, along with the water pump and maybe the hydraulic damper that keeps the belt tight.

The intake manifold(s) issue is a recurring VAG thing- they suffer from the engine reguritating exhaust gases and getting a horrible tar like build up in them, but also the motors/vanes and little 'bearings' involved all get worn. Not a problem at all I am told- you can get reconditioned, cleaned and reworked parts from various companies or even Ebay for less than £300 the pair. The amount of labour involved is not ridiculous either- around 2 hours he thinks. Incidentally the motor flap thing is also not unheard of in the petrol engines as well.

The gearbox thing I am not sure about, but the multitronic thing is I am told similar to the DSG box from VWs- IE a robot manual with about 5 million moving and wearing parts. I am quite keen on an auto but it will definitely be a CVT (with frequent fluid changes) if I go that route.

The Allroad is also an option, it's even better equipped than the regular A6, has the same choice of enegines basically but the air suspension involves 4 air shocks, a compressor and a control unit. Replacing the lot in total will be £1000 in parts alone, that kind of bill I could do without for a few years unfortunately.

Audi A6 Avant - Suggest a car- estate/crossover/SUV - maybe A6? - Cluedo
Real shame your wife is anti Subaru because if reliability is your main priority then a Legacy or Outback will knok spots of the Audi for reliability and durability, especially if your buying an older used car. Also the 4 wheel drive system with the boxer layout and permanent AWD is superior to the Quattro system IMO.

Edited by Cluedo on 13/10/2016 at 21:34

Audi A6 Avant - Suggest a car- estate/crossover/SUV - maybe A6? - Avant

Sorry - I'm missing something here. Are you not allowed to use the company Navara privately? Or maybe you're about to leave them and go freelance?

Audi A6 Avant - Suggest a car- estate/crossover/SUV - maybe A6? - Steveieb
Our local Subaru dealers for over 10 years has dropped the marque with protests from several loyal customers who bought cars because they had formed a great relationship.
The new dealer is struggling to re establish the brand in the area , but the uncertainty this has bought together with the high prices and questionable styling has had an effect on the number you see around.
Audi A6 Avant - Suggest a car- estate/crossover/SUV - maybe A6? - bazza

There's enough information on this thread, a lot from yourself :-), to put anybody off an A6. Why buy a car from a manufacturer well known for, poor customer service and poor reliability, when you could go out and buy a reliable SUV, from Toyota or Honda or indeed the Subaru would be absolutely perfect. Clearly, your cars need to extremely capable, tough and reliable, hence just go for one of the above, rather than trying to justify a well-used A6, which is definitely a much bigger gamble.

Audi A6 Avant - Suggest a car- estate/crossover/SUV - maybe A6? - corax

You mention Subaru vehicles having expensive spare parts, but apart from consumables, which are priced reasonably, how often do they need them?

I notice that you're investigating a lower priced option for Audi parts that are known to fail. So in all truthfulness, the genuine Audi parts are expensive and prone to fail.

Navara's and all pick ups can be unforgiving in slippery conditions despite being four wheel drive, because they have a fairly crude leaf sprung rear axle and are designed to be loaded at the back, making them tail happy when unladen.

I'm glad to hear that Audi have at least one reliable autobox, because the 100's had transmission oil coolers that failed and mixed the coolant and oil, wrecking the gearbox.

Audi A6 Avant - Suggest a car- estate/crossover/SUV - maybe A6? - John F

I'm glad to hear that Audi have at least one reliable autobox, because the 100's had transmission oil coolers that failed and mixed the coolant and oil, wrecking the gearbox.

Really? I don't remember this (I had one) and my Haynes 100 & 200 workshop manual describes it as a sealed unit - no mention of coolant pipework. Are you sure you are not mis-remembering the well known Mercedes auto problem?

The Audi 'reliable autoboxes' are, of course, ZF; the toothed wheel manufacturer on the banks of beautiful Lake Constance.

Audi A6 Avant - Suggest a car- estate/crossover/SUV - maybe A6? - Steveieb
Id be interested to learn what Oliver's partner has to say about their new car. Women often have the final choice in the decision about a car and I'm sure that the Audi will win the day.
What other car blends the look of a saloon with the space of an estate as well as the Avant?
Combined with the brilliant performance of the 3.0 Tdi , it's a simple choice.
And when it comes to resale ask any trader which car he would want on his forecourt!
Audi A6 Avant - Suggest a car- estate/crossover/SUV - maybe A6? - Oliver Mayo

The wife appears more than happy with the examples I have been looking at on Autotrader. I have no qualm with a Subaru or a Volvo either, but I think the Audi has pipped it in the wife stakes, maybe because it is a touch classier and the level of equipment is so high. I still haven't made a decision yet however, because the lynch pin of it all revolves around us moving house in future and planning changes of employment.

I'm not worried about Audi dealer customer satisfaction as I won't be using one to look after the car- as I mentioned I have a relative whose company and techs are more than capable of looking after the car (same is true if I had another Scoob or a Volvo TBH). As we will be buying the thing second hand anyway and running it on until old age, I am not too concerned with having main dealer stamps in the book, nor am I worried about using genuine parts either- once it has reached old age, say 150,000 or so, depending on finances at the time I'll probably just p/x against something else.

The 3 litre TDI is a big draw for me, it's hardly going to be over-stressed and I see there are examples with stratospheric mileages about so they must be reasonably tough. I haven't heard anything terrible about the Quattro box, it's the Haldex job on the smaller Audis and VWs that can sometimes give grief I am told.

Regarding the intake motors and manifolds, I'm prepared to pay a bill of several hundred quid to have work like that done as part of planned maintenance. Like my Legacy, we are talking about a car that was 30K new if not more, and with some miles on the clock, I am not expectring to be able to run the thing another 100K miles for nothing more than tyres and oil filters. I've always had services done and insisted on aux belts and the like being changed in good time regardless of the car in question and to be honest I've never suffered a serious breakdown despite doing some serious annual mileages throughout my motoring 'career'.

In my view the cost of running used cars is normally far far more economical than either having a car on HP, OR buying something brand new and then being hit with the depreciation stick to the tune of 20K or something. I'm naturally tight with a shilling anyway but I am glad there are people out there buying brand new cars so they can provide a supply of used ones for us misers.