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Any thoughts about the BMW 2.0i engine? - Avant

I've had my eye on the BMW 2.0 petrol engine in a 2-series Active Tourer, and this week at last have had a test drive. The dealers seem far keener to sell diesels, but after five noisy diesel cars in a row I love my current petrol Octavia vRS, and I really don't want another diesel.

The signs were very good in the automatic 220i I tried: the transmission didn't seem to sap the performance, and the strong torque that is such a feature of the Octavia seemed to be there too, although a 225i might be even better. And it was beautifully quiet and refined.

The 225i comes with 4WD (X-drive). I've had FWD cars for 45 years so not sure if I need 4WD. But it could be an advantage, especially as we live now in rural Dorset on the side of a steepish hill.

Anyone else tried a petrol BMW recently?

Any thoughts about the BMW 2.0i engine? - Steveieb

The 2.0 D had so many problems with the chain driven cam. best avoided

Did you once have an Audi A4 TDI Avant and hence your column name ?

Any thoughts about the BMW 2.0i engine? - skidpan

The 2.0 D had so many problems with the chain driven cam. best avoided

I had a BMW 2.0 litre chain cam diesel for 5 years and no problems.

The neighbour has one and had had no issues.

Work colleague has one and again no issues.

Its a great engine and BMW have sold millions thus a few issues would be expected occationally, lets not get carried away with the tiny minority.

Any thoughts about the BMW 2.0i engine? - bazza

Wouldn't have thought there were any issues to consider other than whether you like it or not, although I've only ever driven rear drive BMWs, they're fine drivers cars. Of course the one you're considering is front wheel drive, but I imagine they've got it well sorted. I doubt you need all wheel drive in rural Dorset! All that extra weight and friction for no real benefit. Interesting what you say about the dealers shifting diesels---- capitalising on VW's sales crash no doubt.

Any thoughts about the BMW 2.0i engine? - mengl

The problems was big enough for BMW to issue a European TSB requesting owners take their cars to dealers for engine inspection with resulting replacement of the cam-chain tensioner or replacement of the tensioner/chain and sprockets

Any thoughts about the BMW 2.0i engine? - Avant

Hi Steveieb - yes, that's right. When I first joined the forum I had a much-loved A4 2.5 TDI Avant, so the nom de clavier followed naturally!

That was a V6 diesel and was a lot quieter than four-cylinder diesels. I'd consider a BMW 330d but we're ideally looking (because of SWMBO's arthritic knee) for something a bit higher off the ground and without the heavily-bolstered sports seats in the current Octavia.

Any thoughts about the BMW 2.0i engine? - RobJP

There have been some issues with the BMW 20i (and 28i, which is a larger turbo, etc) engine that I've heard of on BMW forums, when fitted in the 3 series. Mostly from America, where they have a lot more petrol engines than over here, and (it seems) considerable variation in fuel quality. Also, a LOT of the problem ones seem to be chipped to hell, so it may not be really relevant.

Having said that, we bought a new 20i Z4 folding tintop this year, and I had no qualms about it. But I keep my cars over-maintained and on top-quality fuels.

EDIT : like you, I had an 2.5TDi Avant (A6), mine with a 6 speed manual box. Gorgeous, and I sold it with 147k on the clock.

Edited by RobJP on 12/12/2015 at 21:42

Any thoughts about the BMW 2.0i engine? - Avant

I don't want to hijack SalimShady's thread, but I'm sure Gordonbennet won't mind my quoting his very helpful response to my comments on that thread about BMW diesels. He wrote:

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"I'm wary of BMW Diesels Avant, especially in 4 cylinder guise, they have form for various wallet emptying problems as the miles pile on, not helped one bit by the fleet/lease sales led industry norm (not Toyota/Lexus you'll note) of 20k service intervals.

And if that's not enough they came up with the brilliant plan of fitting timing chains (prime Edam?) at the back end of North South engines, great bit of design that lads

To be fair i'm wary of nearly all modern Diesels now (PSA's 1.6 Diesel of Doom anyone as found in other makes)(VW's ideally situated never known to fail EGR perchance), anything fitted with a DPF won't be coming to stay with us unless its so cheap that its disposable if it cost more than fifty quid to fix.

On the subject of cheap repairs to modern Diesels, fortunately our lorries are leased and on full maintenance/repair package, just as well cos should the combined exhaust/cat/dpf thingy on mine fail its a cool £11,000.

We left Alice's wonderland behind a few years ago and have been transported to a surreal parallel world of lunacy, where we'll be in another 20 years i dread to think, if i'm still around and not gone completely gaga i'll still be driving an old Landcruiser."

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There are many of us who think that for reasons like this the days of diesels holding their value better than petrols are numbered. And for myself, having had five diesels in a row up to 2011, I've had enough of that noise. I know it's better suppressed than it used to be, but it's STILL THERE.

And that's the reason why a petrol BMW is a possibility for my next car. Part of me would have another Octavia VRS estate - the current one is one of the best cars I've had in over 45 years of owning cars - but (a) SWMBO would be comfier in something higher off the ground and (b) the next car will probably be one to keep long-term, and there are too many stories of VW Group cars giving trouble after the warranty has expired.

Any thoughts about the BMW 2.0i engine? - daveyjp

I looked at a Sportstourer to replace the B class, but the only option was the 1.5, so I didn't take it further. I also didn't like the interior - it was all black and felt cramped.

I also looked at the 3 series GT and the dealer happened to have a used 320i xdrive manual in stock so I took it for a drive.

Unfortunately the car had a number of features which annoyed me before I even drove it - mainly ergonomics - seat adjustment, indicator operation, warnings on a screen I couldn't read as the steering wheel was in the way. The heavy clutch and poor manual box were also downers for me.

As regards trouble - friends have two BMWs - both four years old and both have had very expensive out of warranty repairs in the last couple of months. An X5 V8 diesel with head gasket failure, a 330i with water pump failure, so they aren't bomb proof!

Any thoughts about the BMW 2.0i engine? - RobJP

I'll just say that there has never been an X5 with a V8 diesel. All 3.0 diesels, the various designations used (30d, 35d, 40d, 50d) all referring to varying turbo setups and states of tune, up until (I think) about a year ago, when they introduced a 2.0 twin-turbo one into the X5 as well (calling it the 25d, the same as in my 325d)

Any thoughts about the BMW 2.0i engine? - daveyjp

My error - regardless the engine still needed 4 figures spending on it to get it fixed!

Any thoughts about the BMW 2.0i engine? - KB.
Avant. You're not daft and think things through and always offer the voice of reason hence I shall watch your thought processes. You will have cast a glance at the Golf SV as well as it's not a million miles away in size and appearance and, I would imagine, appeals to similar(ish) buyers. If I replaced the Yeti it would be another one (bit pointless) or with something along the lines of the BMW you refer to, or the SV Golf, or something else with a higher stance and similar length. Anything longer is too long.

It would be the petrol BMW or Golf for all the reasons that you know. I'd fear a diesel with my low mileage.

BUT

The drawback of the BMW is the very fact that it's a BMW. Fine car, I'm sure. Great brand I would think (never had one to find out at first hand). But something in me doesn't want a BMW. Any of the more mainstream brands would sit OK with me. A Volvo? - just possibly, probably not a Mercedes, probably not Lexus, especially as they don't do one with the right dimensions or specs.... and I'm a bit dubious about driving an Audi too, but I'd feel very self conscious in a BMW. If your car says things about you it doesn't say the right things about me or the good lady of the house.

HOWEVER

It's about the right size and it's safe and efficient and not unattractive and presumably nicely put together.

So I shall follow your thinking and learn lessons.

Edited by KB. on 15/12/2015 at 17:29

Any thoughts about the BMW 2.0i engine? - FP

"The drawback of the BMW is the very fact that it's a BMW."

Yup. I agree. I could not live with the envy or hatred of other motorists.

And I prefer to avoid drawing attention to myself as far as possible when I'm out in public.

Edited by FP on 15/12/2015 at 18:31

Any thoughts about the BMW 2.0i engine? - RobJP

If buying a new car, you risk the envy / hatred / attention of all the 'oxygen thief' part of society anyway.

Maybe a private plate to hide that you've got a new car ?

Oh no, wait, that's more envy !

Or you do what I do. Buy a car, use it. In my case yes, it's a BMW 3 series estate.. Because I liked it when I drove one, and I don't actually care one way or another what strangers think.

Those that matter know me for me. Those that don't know me, and want to presume I'm this (or that) type of person based on the badge on my car ... well, I wonder what sort of person I become (according to them) when driving our Shogun ?

Any thoughts about the BMW 2.0i engine? - Avant

I see your point entitrely, FP, but on balance I'm with Rob on this one, not least because more 3-series BMWs are sold in the UK than Mondeos. I don't think BMWs any longer have the image of 'look at me, aren't I successful' that they undoubtedfly used to have.

KB, thank you, and the feelig is mutual: I value your opinion greatly as do many others, I'm sure. Indeed, the Golf SV is a possibility, although (a) I'd want the 150 bhp GT version and no-one can supply one for a test drive, and (b) although, as others have said upthread, BMWs aren't bomb-proof, I think that one bought new and looked after will last longer than a VW Group product.

I've always changed cars within 3 years up to now (which is why I've been very happy with VWs and Skodas), but in retirement the next one may have to last longer. I bought a seven-year-old Z3 in 2008 and sold it when it was 12 years old; it had clearly been looked after by its 2 previous owners and nothing went wromg. My impression was of a properly engineered quality product. I'm hoping that a new BMW would last as long.

But there are other possibilities, and I'll draw up a short list in the New Year and share it on here.

Any thoughts about the BMW 2.0i engine? - meldrew

We have two 2.0i BMWs in our household 90k and 30k miles. both engines are a joy to drive and would certainly not want the potential extra cost of a high tech diesel.