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Blameless diesels need better friends - Trilogy

Taken from Autocar website.

In their most dynamic move for years, the UK’s biggest sellers of diesel engines came together today - via their uniting body, the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) - in a bid to stop the recent demonisation of diesel engines.

They tried to explain that, far from being part of the problem, latest Euro 6 designs are part of the solution both to improving air quality and reducing CO2.

At a morning meeting in central London attended by the UK chiefs of Ford, BMW, VW Group, Vauxhall and Jaguar Land Rover, SMMT CEO Mike Hawes presented research showing that three-quarters of UK motorists were against penalties for the country’s cleanest diesels. He also said that a staggering 87% of them had never heard of Euro 6, the clean-air standard due to be implemented later this year (and embraced long ago by many of the majors).

Euro 6 has already all but eliminated particulates from diesel exhausts and put them close to petrol engines as low producers of smog-inducing oxides of nitrogen - while maintaining the diesel’s long-time attraction of producing around 20% less CO2 than equivalent petrol units.

Car manufacturers have become alarmed by what they see as inappropriate parking penalties about to be imposed on diesel cars by London boroughs, by suggestions that Paris may be the first of several European capitals to ban diesels from its centre, and by highly publicised academic research that has failed to acknowledge latest technological advances.

Car makers deserved credit for achieving a fleet target of 130g/km two years early, said Hawes, but legislators needed to acknowledge the role diesels would have in reaching the next, much tougher target, 95g/km by 2020.

Average CO2 output was down 29% since 2000, while NOx output from diesel cars had fallen by 84% in the same period. In any case, cars of all kinds accounted for only 14% of the UK’s NOx emissions - which meant it would take the annual output of a staggering 42 million Euro 6 diesel cars to dump as much NOx in the UK’s atmosphere as just one large coal-fired power station.

It was a bravura performance by a bunch of committed and high-powered people with very good facts to back them up. All agreed this wasn’t the end of the effort - especially since some of the impact in the news media was reduced by competing tales of Jeremy Clarkson allegedly lamping his producer - but it was a very good start. One had the feeling that this was an attractive argument than would only become more effective with time.

Blameless diesels need better friends - jamie745

The problem is every time they 'solve' one problem like this they generally start another one. Rewind 25 years and the big problem was leaded petrol. Nobody was bothered about diesel fumes because nobody had a diesel car. It was a problem engineered by high petrol prices. If petrol was 50p a litre, nobody would have a diesel - except buses, trucks etc

Blameless diesels need better friends - Vitesse6

People were bothered about diesel particulate pollution, it's just that it takes a long time to persuade manufacturers to do something about it, and it usually takes legislation to push it through.

Remember the days when everybody had open coal fires and the air was black with smoke?

Remember the days before catalytic converters? when busy roads stank of unburnt hydrocarbons?

I know it costs money, but surely we should all try to reduce using our atmosphere as a giant dustbin, after all it's the only air supply we have.

Blameless diesels need better friends - jamie745

I know it costs money, but surely we should all try to reduce using our atmosphere as a giant dustbin, after all it's the only air supply we have.

That's fine so long as the majority are willing to pay for it and you make a fair point, but in Europe (led by the European Union) we've gone to the other extreme now of taxing industry into simply shutting down and taking their carbon emissions to India instead. That's not a sensible idea either.

Blameless diesels need better friends - Smileyman

perhaps they could support their arguments with 5 year / 100,000 mile warranties ...

Blameless diesels need better friends - madf

You just need to breathe teh fumes in a garage where a diesle has started from cold to realise diesels are horrible foul stinking dirty beasts.

(I write as an owner)

Blameless diesels need better friends - coopshere
Of course the car manufacturers are up in arms against the current poor press they are receiving, they have spent millions of their respective currency (mainly the Euro) making Diesel engines to comply with a standard that European legislators keep changing the rules on. However it doesn't take a scientist to stand on any urban roadside to realise that the pollution from diesels is, to say the least, unpleasant and, at best, a danger to the health of people nearby. Add this to the fact that the modern versions are now over complicated and seem unreliable out of warranty so there is little likelihood the average private second hand buyer would buy one then they are on to a long term loser. They have to fight their corner but for how long?
Blameless diesels need better friends - Avant

The irony is that it's the extra components added to diesel engines to make them less polluting of the atmosphere that have led to their being less reliable after high mleages.

As one who can get 40 mpg out of a high-performance petrol car, I'm not sorry that my diesel days are done.

Blameless diesels need better friends - Snakey

Theres nothing wrong with diesels in my view, but their development has been a rush to comply with half-cocked Co2 regulations.

Everybody jumped towards diesels with the new tax bands, the manufacturers have been applying patches to their cars continually to meet the standards.

If we'd taken a calmer view 20 or so years ago, we'd probably all be driving highly efficient petrol engines and possibly hybrids would have come about sooner.

Blameless diesels need better friends - alan1302

Theres nothing wrong with diesels in my view, but their development has been a rush to comply with half-cocked Co2 regulations.

Everybody jumped towards diesels with the new tax bands, the manufacturers have been applying patches to their cars continually to meet the standards.

If we'd taken a calmer view 20 or so years ago, we'd probably all be driving highly efficient petrol engines and possibly hybrids would have come about sooner.

Agreed - took the short/easy route and now it's come back to bite us.

Blameless diesels need better friends - oldroverboy.

Agreed - took the short/easy route and now it's come back to bite us.

And indeed it bit me after my one and only experience of a diesel. (Epica) never again. Now just 2 of us, smaller non turbo 4 cyl chain cam manual... Petrol

Edited by oldroverboy. on 12/03/2015 at 13:19