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Jaguar XF - Arteon or XF - Gem1989

Hi all

I currently have an MG ZS but will be looking to move away from this in 2024. I'm looking for a second hand car, relatively low mileage (under 30K), comfortable, fairly nippy, pretty big boot space and suitable for a small family. My budget is around £18k.

At the moment, my shortlist is the VW Arteon or the Jaguar XF but my knowledge of cars is limited. Any helpful thoughts or comments would be much appreciated in relation to which of these would be better or if there is another alternative.

Many thanks in advance.

Jaguar XF - Arteon or XF - Heidfirst

Petrol or diesel? Have you considered a Skoda Superb?

Jaguar XF - Arteon or XF - Gem1989

I've only ever had petrol before, but no particular preference either way (open to hearing about why one is better than the other!). No, not looked at one yet but certainly will do now.

Petrol or diesel? Have you considered a Skoda Superb?

Jaguar XF - Arteon or XF - pd

My choice would be an XF, very nice cars and criminally underrated.

Only thing you need to be really carefully about is the engines on the 2016-2019 Gen 2 models - particularly the 4 cylinder ones - are known for timing chain issues.

You can actually get a brand new XF still for about £35k which is absolutely bonkers, criminally cheap for such a car and not far off the list of a new electric Corsa. The equivalent 5 series is nearer £60k and not necessarily the better car.

Edited by pd on 03/01/2024 at 16:16

Jaguar XF - Arteon or XF - bathtub tom

I'd look VERY carefully into JLR reliability befor jumping.

Jaguar XF - Arteon or XF - elekie&a/c doctor
As much as I love jaguars, I wouldn’t entertain any JLR product if it’s fitted with the ingenium engine . That’s both petrol and diesel.
Jaguar XF - Arteon or XF - badbusdriver

At the moment, my shortlist is the VW Arteon or the Jaguar XF but my knowledge of cars is limited.

Between those two, I'd take the Aerton. More spacious, much bigger boot and likely to be more reliable.

I've only ever had petrol before, but no particular preference either way (open to hearing about why one is better than the other!).

Between petrol or diesel, if doing mainly short journeys and your total annual mileage is likely to be less than 12k miles, petrol is the way to go. If doing mainly longer journeys and a higher annual miles, diesel would be worth considering, but only if ULEZ is not going to be a factor.

Have you considered a Skoda Superb?

No, not looked at one yet but certainly will do now.

You may not be aware, but VW is part of the huge VAG empire. This encompasses Porsche, Audi, VW, Seat, Skoda and a handful of others. What this means is that under the skin most VAG cars share the same running gear, which is the case with the Aerton and Skoda Superb. But because the Skoda badge is considered less desirable you will get a younger, and more spacious car for the same money. So if you are happy with the badge and its looks, it is a win win!. If you have ff street parking (so could have a home charger installed), its is also worth bearing in mind that a PHEV (plug in hybrid) version of the Superb is also within budget.

Depending on just how much space you need, I'd also consider the Mazda 6. Like the Jag, it isn't especially spacious for its size, but does have a bigger boot. It is extremely reliable though (assuming you avoid the diesel) and generally considered a very handsome car.

I'd also consider a Lexus GS (self charge) hybrid. These are also extremely reliable and while boot capacity is not brilliant (the hybrid gubbins live under the boot), it is still more capacious than the Jag.

Jaguar XF - Arteon or XF - Metropolis.
BBD, I am not disputing that VAG share platforms, but often the Skoda version will have less sound proofing and a more basic suspension design particularly at the rear, than the VW version. Happy to be corrected…

Personally I would go for the Jag out of these two, but avoid the Ford/PSA v6 diesel, I would choose Ingenium over that.

Alternatively buy the best Lexus you can find (or a recent Toyota Camry if in budget) and contact us in 400,000 miles.
Jaguar XF - Arteon or XF - Brit_in_Germany

For some reason, the V6 Diesel in the XF is relatively trouble free compared with the same engine in a LR or RR.

Jaguar XF - Arteon or XF - skidpan

but often the Skoda version will have less sound proofing and a more basic suspension design particularly at the rear, than the VW version. Happy to be corrected…

No idea about soundproofing other than the fact we are on our 2nd Superb and no complaints about noise. When we bought the 2nd one we also considered a Passat estate (both the plug in version) but other than the Passat being considerably more expensive we could see no difference other than ride comfort. The Superb has standard adaptive dampers which make a huge difference (its way better than the first Superb) but on a Passat they were a £1000+ option.

Some Skoda's (and Seats) do have more basic suspension than equivalent Audis and VW's (I am comparing the Audi A3 and Golf against the Seat Leon and Skoda Octavia here). Leons and Octavias used to need above 150 PS to get the multi link rear end, A3's and Golfs got it with more than 125 PS. But our Leon with 140 PS with a beam rear end was absolutely fine, it was quiet and had a good ride, no complaints.

Should be noted that all Superb's have the Multi link rear end, it is the flagship model.

I don't get hung up on the badge, its the car I buy.

Jaguar XF - Arteon or XF - Andrew-T

For some reason, the V6 Diesel in the XF is relatively trouble free compared with the same engine in a LR or RR.

Are the statistical samples large enough to convince ?

Jaguar XF - Arteon or XF - Adampr
BBD, I am not disputing that VAG share platforms, but often the Skoda version will have less sound proofing and a more basic suspension design particularly at the rear, than the VW version. Happy to be corrected… Personally I would go for the Jag out of these two, but avoid the Ford/PSA v6 diesel, I would choose Ingenium over that. Alternatively buy the best Lexus you can find (or a recent Toyota Camry if in budget) and contact us in 400,000 miles.

I've heard the same about Skoda soundproofing in the past. Much like Skidpan, I can only report that my Karoq is very quiet, so doesn't appear to want for more.

The Seat Toledo I had (a rebadged Skoda Rapid) did have more basic suspension than other VAG cars, but that was platform, not brand, specific.

Jaguar XF - Arteon or XF - Big John

I've heard the same about Skoda soundproofing in the past. Much like Skidpan, I can only report that my Karoq is very quiet, so doesn't appear to want for more.

The Seat Toledo I had (a rebadged Skoda Rapid) did have more basic suspension than other VAG cars, but that was platform, not brand, specific.

My now getting on a bit 2014 Superb is amazingly refined. Silent at tickover and amazing at 70mph motorways speeds - engine/road/wind noise very quiet. I think some cars have lost some refinement these days with ridiculously low profile tyres for the tyre of car.

VW and Audi do install some additional soundproofing but I've generally found it's foam panels on inner wheelarches/wings etc which I recommend that people remove anyway as it traps moisture and ultimately create terrible rust traps - look at older Passats, lots of rusty front wings!

Jaguar XF - Arteon or XF - Andrew-T

<< But because the Skoda badge is considered less desirable you will get a younger, and more spacious car for the same money. So if you are happy with the badge and its looks, ... >>

This always amuses me. My daughter happily drove a Golf Plus for several years but would never consider a Skoda, despite my explanations. I did suggest she could rebadge one to suit her preferences ....

Jaguar XF - Arteon or XF - Engineer Andy

Hi all

I currently have an MG ZS but will be looking to move away from this in 2024. I'm looking for a second hand car, relatively low mileage (under 30K), comfortable, fairly nippy, pretty big boot space and suitable for a small family. My budget is around £18k.

At the moment, my shortlist is the VW Arteon or the Jaguar XF but my knowledge of cars is limited. Any helpful thoughts or comments would be much appreciated in relation to which of these would be better or if there is another alternative.

Many thanks in advance.

Bear in mind that a big luxury (and/or high performance) car comes with high maintenance costs, because they are essentially directly related to the new list price, not the second hand price at the time. Often high-end cars are not exactly reliable either (lots of gadgets and gizmos to go wrong - expensively), perhaps with the exception of Lexus.

You may wish to consider estate cars as well, as many Focus-sized ones will come with a boot as big as a saloon / fastback from the next car size up, and will likely be cheaper to buy, run and easier to park.

Note also that many 'luxury' cars these days are shod on large diameter alloys and low profile tyres, meaning the suspension takes far more of the strain, meaning all of those parts will be more susceptible to damage and wear faster. Replacement parts will be very expensive.

In my view, go for a mid-spec car shod on reasonably sensible tyres (few car are bad at handling these days) and you'll still get a very nice car, but which will have a better ride quality, cost less to buy/run and you'll won't notice much in the way of difference in driving experience.

How 'nippy' do you need it to be? Also - what type of driving / est. mileage will it be doing per year?

If you don't want or need an automatic (including dual-clutch semi-autos), that likely means a much larger list of cars to choose from.

Jaguar XF - Arteon or XF - Gem1989

Thank you everyone for the extremely helpful responses. The Mazda 6 is certainly now under consideration!

In response to the most recent reply, it doesn't have to be insanely quick, but substantially quicker than the ZS would be nice (a low bar!). An automatic would be preferable but not essential. I think reliability/costs probably rule out the XF now. An Astra estate is something I'd consider, as is an Insignia - though I'm not sure on boot space for the latter.

Estimated mileage is 12-14,000 miles per year. Combination of ten minute journeys to work/nursery/shops, with longer journeys to clients (50-150 miles) a couple of times a week.

Jaguar XF - Arteon or XF - Adampr

You might look at the Kia Optima PHEV.

For your budget, you should be able find one still in warranty. Big and comfy with lots of kit.

If you've got off-street parking you'd get all of your short journeys and a chunk of your longer ones for next to nothing.

Jaguar XF - Arteon or XF - Andrew-T

Estimated mileage is 12-14,000 miles per year. Combination of ten minute journeys to work/nursery/shops, with longer journeys to clients (50-150 miles) a couple of times a week.

Borderline choice between petrol and diesel then. Although a diesel should use less fuel, that fuel usually costs more, so the saving is not great. Probably the complexity of modern diesels might be enough to tip the balance towards petrol - especially if you go near a ULEZ ?

Jaguar XF - Arteon or XF - Engineer Andy

Estimated mileage is 12-14,000 miles per year. Combination of ten minute journeys to work/nursery/shops, with longer journeys to clients (50-150 miles) a couple of times a week.

Borderline choice between petrol and diesel then. Although a diesel should use less fuel, that fuel usually costs more, so the saving is not great. Probably the complexity of modern diesels might be enough to tip the balance towards petrol - especially if you go near a ULEZ ?

More so because when you buy a used diesel, unless you know every previous owner, you don't know the driving pattern of them, even if the mileage history is genuine.

Jaguar XF - Arteon or XF - Andrew-T

<< Note also that many 'luxury' cars these days are shod on large diameter alloys and low profile tyres, meaning the suspension takes far more of the strain, meaning all of those parts will be more susceptible to damage and wear faster. Replacement parts will be very expensive. >>

This being the case, some of the suspension strain will be transmitted to the bodyshell via the Macpherson struts etc. Is that strengthened in the models with larger wheels ?