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EU and ICE - sammy1

It seems as though the EU has delayed rubber stamping its death nell on ICE. Italy, Poland and now Germany have expressed their reservations on a number of reasons. Honda also have some questions. No new date has yet been announced by the EU to finalise into law. May be some common sense will prevail and the transition is slowed down?

Edited by Xileno on 03/03/2023 at 17:10

EU and ICE - badbusdriver

Is there a specific connection to the A4 Allroad?

Edited by Xileno on 03/03/2023 at 17:11

EU and ICE - Adampr

Is there a specific connection to the A4 Allroad?

Allroads lead to Rome?

Edited by Xileno on 03/03/2023 at 17:11

EU and ICE - badbusdriver

Is there a specific connection to the A4 Allroad?

Allroads lead to Rome?

I thought they led to Wigan Pier?

;-)

Edited by Xileno on 03/03/2023 at 17:11

EU and ICE - gordonbennet

Whatever the EU decides is up to them, until we rejoin (as the losers wish and plot for) then the decision for our country is for our parliament to make.

I suspect much depends on what happens in the run up to the next GE and the repercussions from the results when they are known.

Currently there's only one view held by those likely to be elected, ie the uniparty, and that is agenda 2030 here we come, if (unlikely) a viable alternative political movement establishes itself which clearly states serious opposition to the wide ranging self destruction of the country including such things as the banning of pure ICE cars, and, if that movement receives widespread support, more importantly still a decent voter base where its stands for election, then a change of minds for politial reasons could be on the cards.

It will only be the political survival of the regime that will force a change i think, common sense and duty of care for the people of the country having long since deserted the minds of our political classes, the electorate have had decades to remove said class but have consistently shied away from doing so and, like the lunatic, insist on repeating the same electoral experiment whilst continuing to expect a different result.

The bigger worry is whether it will be our govts decision at all to make by the time 2030 rolls around, increasingly the pointers are that health matters are to be turned over fully to the unelected WHO, absolute climate authority may well be handed over to them too.

Edited by Xileno on 03/03/2023 at 17:11

EU and ICE - sammy1

Is there a specific connection to the A4 Allroad?

NO. when the site asks for the car I thought I typed ALL. May be the Mods will tidy it up?

Edited by Xileno on 03/03/2023 at 17:12

EU and ICE - skidpan

Is there a specific connection to the A4 Allroad?

NO. when the site asks for the car I thought I typed ALL. May be the Mods will tidy it up?

When I have started threads I have never entered a car name. When you look at the forums it seems that is the normal thing to do.

Edited by Xileno on 03/03/2023 at 17:12

EU and ICE - Xileno

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EU and ICE - mcb100
I wonder if it’s a coincidence that the three countries named all fall below the EU average for percentage of energy produced via renewables?
EU and ICE - Steveieb

And a high number of engineers employed in designing ICE engines, who will no longer be needed if those countries move to EVs

EU and ICE - sammy1

"""And a high number of engineers employed in designing ICE engines, who will no longer be needed if those countries move to EVs"""

All credit to them, at least they are looking after the interests of their own. What is going to happen to the all the ancillary companies in this country when ICE disappears

The future of manufacturing in this country is in grave danger not everyone wants to work 8 hours a day in front of a computer screen

EU and ICE - alan1302

"""And a high number of engineers employed in designing ICE engines, who will no longer be needed if those countries move to EVs"""

All credit to them, at least they are looking after the interests of their own. What is going to happen to the all the ancillary companies in this country when ICE disappears

The future of manufacturing in this country is in grave danger not everyone wants to work 8 hours a day in front of a computer screen

The ancillary companies will have to move with the times - like all companies have to or else they get left behind and go out of business. If you want more manufacturing in this country you have to be prepared to pay more for it, most people don't want to though which is why so much is imported from overseas.

EU and ICE - Terry W

Most car companies will by now have started to slim down their ICE capability. Engines and gearboxes are just a part of the engineering that goes into car production anyway - suspension, steering, bodyshell, most electrics are common to all cars.

I do not expect the government to relax the 2030 deadline unless a major impediment emerges - most can be overcome by other means (eg: subsidies or tax breaks for charger installation).

That some folk find they need to retrain or move on to something else will not motivate them to change course.

2030 is the deadline for new sales of ICE - they are not being banned!. Assuming EV sales continue to increase to (say) 80% of total sales by 2029, less than 25% of cars registered will then be EV. There will still be significant numbers of ICE on the roads until 2040-45.

EU and ICE - Engineer Andy

Most car companies will by now have started to slim down their ICE capability. Engines and gearboxes are just a part of the engineering that goes into car production anyway - suspension, steering, bodyshell, most electrics are common to all cars.

I do not expect the government to relax the 2030 deadline unless a major impediment emerges - most can be overcome by other means (eg: subsidies or tax breaks for charger installation).

That some folk find they need to retrain or move on to something else will not motivate them to change course.

2030 is the deadline for new sales of ICE - they are not being banned!. Assuming EV sales continue to increase to (say) 80% of total sales by 2029, less than 25% of cars registered will then be EV. There will still be significant numbers of ICE on the roads until 2040-45.

Seems like the Germans and Italians are not having any of this. Funny how ehen supposedly 'green' measures result in penury, the Plebs don't like it and fight back. Who knew.

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/03/02/german-car.../

EU and ICE - pd

What they are asking for is an exception for synthetic fuels, not a blanket change to keeping things as they are.

In reality the absolute 2035 deadline is a bit of a red herring. Far more immediately relevant are rules coming in over the next 2 years over the ever increasing percentage of vehicles made by a manufacturer which have to be zero emissions and of course Euro 7.

It is not a case that the manufacturers can carry on making what they like up until 2030 or 2035. There is a sliding scale every year of 30, 40, 60% or whatever have to be zero emission - 2030 or 2035 is simply when it reaches 100% as things stand.

In practice ICE is already getting very difficult.

Edited by pd on 04/03/2023 at 11:54

EU and ICE - Bolt

In practice ICE is already getting very difficult.

In what way, some companies already have fuels to replace petrol so people can carry on using their cars, and are 0% emissions as the fuel burns fully, only problem they have is making enough to cope with demand, classic cars are already using it and its cheaper with no loss of power, or at least noticeable loss

IMO the date will be moved later anyway due to affordability problems as the tech is going to take a long time to come down in price, unless the rich pay for the less well off to buy an EV, and even battery tech is taking longer to get right than expected.

as much as some want EVs to take over, imo it isn`t going to happen as fast as some want and it shows as not many are buying them, ok there are a few more about, but they are not as often used as you would think and some look like they have been standing for a while....

EU and ICE - Crickleymal

In practice ICE is already getting very difficult.

In what way, some companies already have fuels to replace petrol so people can carry on using their cars, and are 0% emissions as the fuel burns fully, only problem they have is making enough to cope with demand, classic cars are already using it and its cheaper with no loss of power, or at least noticeable loss

....

What fuel is this?

EU and ICE - Adampr

In practice ICE is already getting very difficult.

In what way, some companies already have fuels to replace petrol so people can carry on using their cars, and are 0% emissions as the fuel burns fully, only problem they have is making enough to cope with demand, classic cars are already using it and its cheaper with no loss of power, or at least noticeable loss

....

What fuel is this?

It sounds great. Presumably we're talking about synthetic fuels manufactured with captured carbon?

EU and ICE - pd

In practice ICE is already getting very difficult.

In what way, some companies already have fuels to replace petrol so people can carry on using their cars, and are 0% emissions as the fuel burns fully, only problem they have is making enough to cope with demand, classic cars are already using it and its cheaper with no loss of power, or at least noticeable loss

IMO the date will be moved later anyway due to affordability problems as the tech is going to take a long time to come down in price, unless the rich pay for the less well off to buy an EV, and even battery tech is taking longer to get right than expected.

as much as some want EVs to take over, imo it isn`t going to happen as fast as some want and it shows as not many are buying them, ok there are a few more about, but they are not as often used as you would think and some look like they have been standing for a while....

Hmm. Euro 7 next year which is difficult to meet, expensive to develop and will see several ranges axed and several manufacturers just stopping ICE production all together because its not worth the hassle.

From 2024 (8 months away) 22% of new cars have to be zero emission. This rises to 33%, 38% etc year by year.

Basically on a practical basis ICE will be effectively legislated out of production in any meaningful way in next 3 years as things stand. 2030/35 is a side issue.

EU and ICE - Brit_in_Germany

You're having a laugh, oder? The manufacturers of luxury barges for the rich want to carry on selling them. Nothing to do with your'e tired expression.