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Yes, Tesla have it sorted.
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With an ex colleague drove from Yorkshire to Warwickshire in a Tesla Model 3 this week and I'm impressed. We stopped for a comfort break / coffee near Rugby that took the charge from 40% to 94%.
Of course in a conventional-engined car you would possibly not need to stop at all ....
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Of course in a conventional-engined car you would possibly not need to stop at all ....
Ah, are you one of the "until an electric car has a range of 600 miles, charge in 5 minutes and pull a caravan -- I'm not interested" brigade?
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Of course in a conventional-engined car you would possibly not need to stop at all ....
Ah, are you one of the "until an electric car has a range of 600 miles, charge in 5 minutes and pull a caravan -- I'm not interested" brigade?
Any petrol or diesel powered c/e car would be able to travel from Yorkshire to Warwickshire without needing to stop if filled with fuel to begin the trip.
This is the obvious common-sense point the poster made, not your weird extrapolation to the realms of fantasy.
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Any petrol or diesel powered c/e car would be able to travel from Yorkshire to Warwickshire without needing to stop if filled with fuel to begin the trip.
This is the obvious common-sense point the poster made, not your weird extrapolation to the realms of fantasy
By that token, any Tesla can also make that journey without needing to stop if filled with fuel to begin the trip.
My comment was tongue in cheek, maybe I should've put a smiley at the end. I didn't think I needed to. Clearly I was wrong ??
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Yorkshire to Warwickshire? Easy my Mokka-e could do that with no bother. Not necessary to stop and charge. Even my Fiat 500e could do that as well. If that's your criteria to buying an EV then best pop down the dealer and order one.
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Yorkshire is quite large so a trip form N Yorks is a different job to one from S Yorks.
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Of course in a conventional-engined car you would possibly not need to stop at all ....
Ah, are you one of the "until an electric car has a range of 600 miles, charge in 5 minutes and pull a caravan -- I'm not interested" brigade?
At my age I'm not interested anyway, especially allowing for the expense involved. Even if I was interested, and intended to make the journey quoted, I might worry that having decided where to recharge on the way, I would find no available charge point.
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See the app Watts Up. In the UK you won't be more than a few miles away from a charge point but you will have to make a small detour. Time for a splash n dash in fact.
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Of course in a conventional-engined car you would possibly not need to stop at all ....
Err - not at my age !!!
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Of course in a conventional-engined car you would possibly not need to stop at all ....
Err - not at my age !!!
Me too (I'm 50)
:-)
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Of course one can drive 500 miles (8-12 hours) without stopping. No need for coffee, lunch or a pee enroute - this can all be done in the car.
The well know knee controlled steering technique allows the thermos to be poured, and snacks opened. Driving with two hands (or even one) is for wimps.
For us blokes (girls have different "bits") a bottle is all that is required. Preferably with a wide neck so, after having opened trousers, the chances of a miss are reduced.
After 500 miles leap athletically out the car, secure in the knowledge that, with sensible precautions, clothing will be unmarked by bodily fluids, food or coffee.
Number twos - incontinence pads or just grit your teeth.
Edited by Terry W on 10/09/2022 at 19:28
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"For us blokes (girls have different 'bits') a bottle is all that is required. Preferably with a wide neck so, after having opened trousers, the chances of a miss are reduced."
Have you actually tried to pee into a bottle (no matter what the size of neck) while sitting in a car seat? The basic problem is that you need to get your thingy and neck of the bottle higher than the bottom of the bottle. You can't fill a bottle going upwards, as it were. And most car seats are not even horizontal.
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Of course one can drive 500 miles (8-12 hours) without stopping. No need for coffee, lunch or a pee enroute - this can all be done in the car.
The well know knee controlled steering technique allows the thermos to be poured, and snacks opened. Driving with two hands (or even one) is for wimps.
For us blokes (girls have different "bits") a bottle is all that is required. Preferably with a wide neck so, after having opened trousers, the chances of a miss are reduced.
After 500 miles leap athletically out the car, secure in the knowledge that, with sensible precautions, clothing will be unmarked by bodily fluids, food or coffee.
Number twos - incontinence pads or just grit your teeth.
I bet that holiday trips are a barrel of fun in your car under such circumstances! :-)
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Of course in a conventional-engined car you would possibly not need to stop at all ....
Err - not at my age !!!
That's why I said 'possibly' ... :-)
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Of course in a conventional-engined car you would possibly not need to stop at all ....
Err - not at my age !!!
That's why I said 'possibly' ... :-)
Tee hee,
Re range - I still miss my previous 2003 Skoda Superb 1.9pd where 750 miles was possible on a tankful. Very useful arriving in France/Belgium and being able to arrive at most destinations without thinking of filling up - I hate French Autoroute filling stations. I have a few small town restaurants stored in my satnav as potential stopping points - very civilised way of stopping en-route.
Range of current 2014 Superb is much less. Economy is not much less (circa 46 in Europe) but I usually can't get much more than 50l in the tank. Max range about 550 miles - still useful, but....
Edited by Big John on 11/09/2022 at 00:19
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The boot on the average hatch is ~350 L. By eliminating luggage, or using the back seat for suitcases with only two up, or fitting a roof rack, the 350L re-purposed with a diesel tank would give an additional range of 3500-4000 miles.
Drive to Istanbul and back without stopping. Enjoy an entire two week European holiday without actually getting out the car. With more range the options are infinite!!!
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By eliminating luggage, or using the back seat for suitcases with only two up, or fitting a roof rack, the 350L re-purposed with a diesel tank would give an additional range of 3500-4000 miles.
That amount of diesel would weigh about 300 kilos (= 3 or maybe 4 people), so you might need to work on the rear suspension as well ?
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Ford Focus specs show the difference between kerb weight (all fluids, no passengers and luggage) and gross vehicle weight as ~650kg (max permitted vehicle mass) depending on model.
A full 350L (~300kg) + 4 passengers (300kg) and a couple of suitcases. Probably not sensible to add a roof rack!
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Ford Focus specs show the difference between kerb weight (all fluids, no passengers and luggage) and gross vehicle weight as ~650kg (max permitted vehicle mass) depending on model.
A full 350L (~300kg) + 4 passengers (300kg) and a couple of suitcases. Probably not sensible to add a roof rack!
As has been said, the suspension would need modifications to cope. That quoted weight difference between kerb and GVW is based it being spread equally, with most between front and rear 'axles'. Dropping 300kg behind the rear wheels would absolutely kill it. But even if you did uprate the suspension to cope, the handling would be, 'interesting', to put it mildly.
Surely it would be more sensible to put the extra fuel in a smallish streamlined trailer?
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It is worth noting that the extra 300kg would be designed to sit over the rear wheels - this is where passengers and luggage would anyway have gone.
However, a trailer makes a lot of sense. The hypothetical Ford Focus (average car) has a towing capacity of 1200kg.
Assume trailer weighs 300kg leaves capacity for a fuel load of 900kg - about 1100L. A non-stop journey of ~5000 miles is achievable - London to Delhi with fuel to spare for the odd detour around Syria, Afghanistan etc.
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All you need to do then is arrange a connection from the trailer to the fuel pump and you would hardly need to stop ....
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Just done N Hants to N Yorks and back, 2.2 diesel and one tankful did the trip both ways. Any EV I could afford wouldn't even get up there on a charge.
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Well Barney your two times 4 hours plus of non stop driving will have cost you a tankful or about 80 to a 100 quid. An EV 1.2p per mile or 6.60p for 550 miles.
The extra 90 minutes charging you avoided cost you 74 quid. Is your time really 60 quid an hour? Mine isn't.
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The extra 90 minutes charging you avoided cost you 74 quid. Is your time really 60 quid an hour? Mine isn't.
You guys can bandy numbers about as much as you want. What matters is day-to-day convenience. Twiddling thumbs for 90 mins while your expensive new EV waits to be changed is a real waste of time.
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But day-to-day is more convenient than ICE. My commute is 65 miles each way. Every morning, I get in my car, drive to work and then drive home at the end of the day. Every morning, my 'tank' is 'full'. I never have to stop for petrol and my fuel costs me a fraction of the price of petrol.
I have another car for longer journeys outside of the day-to-day.
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"I have another car for longer journeys outside of the day-to-day."
That's the key point. I know quite a few families who have two cars, one EV, one ICE. That arrangement works perfectly, they use the ICE for longer journeys or where range anxiety is an issue. But for one car households are we at the point where EV covers everything? Maybe for Tesla drivers who can use the fast charging network. The time will come but I don't think we're there yet.
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I know quite a few families who have two cars,
We are a two-car family, not because one of the cars won't conveniently do long journeys, but because on very rare occasions we need to be in different places at the same time. Another contributory factor may be that neither car is worth much, and buying an EV would be a lot more than I would feel like spending.
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But it's not just numbers is it. Its having 74 quid in your pocket and not in Mr Shells till. Its cash baby cash!
We're a two car family too. Both EVs. Unbeatable for day to day convenience. I haven't wasted any time at a service station in a year . Get home plug in go into house. Come out of house unplug go out. 20 seconds . I haven't used public charging at all as my commute is only 70miles and I can do that twice with power to spare. Getting a battery to go with my solar pv ..brings my home charging costs to way cheaper than 1.2p per mile. Super convenient, super cheap and goes really quick off the line. Haven't found anything not to like yet...
Edited by Ethan Edwards on 16/09/2022 at 11:49
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But it's not just numbers is it. Its having 74 quid in your pocket and not in Mr Shell's till. ... Super convenient, super cheap and goes really quick off the line. Haven't found anything not to like yet...
That's great, it meets your personal needs perfectly. All you had to do was buy or lease your EV, which was probably more than 74 quid. Horses for courses.
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Buy with money. And when I sell the depreciation is miniscule ( based on wbac offers). But yes it's exactly 10g more than the identical ice car. That said I'm saving at least 2,400 quid a year ( at 1.40 a litre so now it's more). I'll make that 10g back in just four years. Three yrs now as I've had it for a year..to the day.
Edited by Ethan Edwards on 16/09/2022 at 22:17
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