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Volkwagen Transporter - VW T5 DSG - 3uga

Hi,

Im looking to buy a T5 with a dsg transmission and am curious as if the DSG advertising is just a trademark and the car does the car come in fact with a torque converter and belt clutches. Ive looked up for transmission service and all have red oil and internal oil filter wich is unusual for a dsg that has goldish oil and external oil filter housing.

Volkwagen Transporter - VW T5 DSG - elekie&a/c doctor

Loads of info here; www.evosoft.dk/diagrams/DSG_02E.pdf

Volkwagen Transporter - VW T5 DSG - badbusdriver

The DSG is a dual clutch automated manual gearbox and so not an automatic in the traditional sense. Not sure if the DSG fitted to the vans are any different, but if anyone comes on the forum asking about a car (not just VAG) fitted with such a gearbox, they are advised against it due to the likelyhood of large bills in the future. If buying new and changing before the warranty is up, fair enough, but not sure it would be wise to buy a used one.

Bear in mind that Toyota and Honda have both made attempts with automated manual gearboxes, but gave up as they couldn't make them work reliably long term. And if those two companies can't make them reliable, nobody can!.

Also, Ford and the PSA group recently stopped using automated manual's and reverted back to lightweight torque converter auto's as they just proved too much trouble.

Volkwagen Transporter - VW T5 DSG - gordonbennet

Bear in mind that Toyota and Honda have both made attempts with automated manual gearboxes, but gave up as they couldn't make them work reliably long term. And if those two companies can't make them reliable, nobody can!.

Also, Ford and the PSA group recently stopped using automated manual's and reverted back to lightweight torque converter auto's as they just proved too much trouble.

How come these things can't be made to work long term in cars, the ZF (in particular) 12 speed automated manuals in large lorries are virtually bomb proof, you almost never hear of one giving trouble, mileages well over 1m kms and still going strong...might have had a clutch at 500k, but generally that's all that goes on them, used for extensive retarding via an engine/exhaust brake too not just for accelerating and cruising which is all most cars do.

My last lorry with that box did 750k before lease return, no issues apart from new clutch at 550k, my present one with upgrade on the same box is perfect at 11 months and 130k, scratch that, 140k.

Edited by gordonbennet on 24/11/2019 at 14:20

Volkwagen Transporter - VW T5 DSG - badbusdriver

Bear in mind that Toyota and Honda have both made attempts with automated manual gearboxes, but gave up as they couldn't make them work reliably long term. And if those two companies can't make them reliable, nobody can!.

Also, Ford and the PSA group recently stopped using automated manual's and reverted back to lightweight torque converter auto's as they just proved too much trouble.

How come these things can't be made to work long term in cars, the ZF (in particular) 12 speed automated manuals in large lorries are virtually bomb proof, you almost never hear of one giving trouble, mileages well over 1m kms and still going strong...might have had a clutch at 500k, but generally that's all that goes on them, used for extensive retarding via an engine/exhaust brake too not just for accelerating and cruising which is all most cars do.

My last lorry with that box did 750k before lease return, no issues apart from new clutch at 550k, my present one with upgrade on the same box is perfect at 11 months and 130k, scratch that, 140k.

Firstly, i think the gearboxes in trucks (and buses) are single clutch, which i'd imagine to be more reliable simply due to being less complex. But also, in cars they are expected to provide lightning fast, and smooth, changes, but with a truck, the sheer momentum would probably mask most of any jerkiness. I know when i was driving buses, we had a couple of Neoplan Skyliners which were fine from about 30mph>, but below that speed the changes were ponderous and slow. Also, there was a marked delay in between pressing the throttle (pulling away from standstill) and anything happening. So much so that if pulling away uphill, you had to carefully time the handbrake release to avoid the bus rolling back (otherwise you'd have to jump on the brakes, put the handbrake back on and try again).

Volkwagen Transporter - VW T5 DSG - sofia12

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Volkwagen Transporter - VW T5 DSG - 3uga

Thank you all for the answer.

Im against a dsg in such a heavy aplication becase the car will be used moderatly on moving heavy loads. Even if the clutches in a dsg manage to hold up at least as long as the dry clutch in a manual, replacing costs are 5 times bigger than in a manual.

I asked because if im going to go for an automatic, a torque converter will better suit my needs and will hold up better at high stress and hevy loads.