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Does the advice of don't by a diesel for school runs & shopping extend to older cars ('08-'09)? I seem to read a lot on the subject that, when you drill down, appear to be talking about newer cars fitted with a DPF (I had to look that up) so I haven't been able to make a positively direct correlation.
It probably does, but for a thickky like me it would be good to have it spelled out.
My frustration is that my wife & I like high sitting positions of SUVs & MPVs, and in our searches found that we quite like the Honda CRV. Budget is £5k absolute max not a penny more, so that unfortunately only nabs us a diesel (08/09) with 120k+ on the clock.
Not seen much else that looks halfway as nice. Might have to settle for a petrol Scenic...
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And I just found this immediately after posting :
https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/29685/does-the-cr-v-have-a-dpf-
So the model I'm looking at doesn't have a DPF.
So...does that mean it wouldn't necessarily be not recommended as a school run / shopping car, if you'll pardon the double negatives?
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If its doesn't have a DPF it'll be fine as a school run/ shopping car
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Although the CDTi doesn't have a DPF it is known to suffer from DMF (dual mass flywheel) issues, slipping or juddering clutches (though the auto avoids these) turbo failure, EGR issues, rattling or snapped timing chains and a number of other common problems beyond 100k. It's an old car, one which was complex and expensive new and it was Honda's first Diesel engine which isn't anywhere near as reliable as their excellent petrol engines.
I'd recommend a rethink and redirecting your search towards a 2.0 petrol example instead. £5k is a very limited budget for an SUV and the best way to limit your risk is to buy the less complex petrol which has an excellent reputation for longevity. Yes it will use more fuel but you'll spend far less on repairs and your money will buy you a lower mileage car to start with.
Look for something with a full service history with proof of annual oil changes (chain driven engines must have regular oil changes) and try to seek out a car that's been owned by the previous keeper longterm. Anything less than two years and you know it's likely had issues. If you absolutely must have the Diesel then buy on history and condition before mileage or age and it must have a perfect service history, preferably from a main dealer or Honda specialist who understands these engines and their weaknesses.
Edited by SLO76 on 08/06/2017 at 00:52
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@SLO76 - thanks. If I'm honest with myself I think I know it's probably a bad buy. Just looked a lot nicer and better spec'd than a Renault Scenic and was trying to kid myself...
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If you were prepared to put up with a car a couple of years older (circa 2006) and previous generation, there are some lovely looking low miles (60k ish) petrol engined Honda CRV's and Toyota rav4's. They might be worth looking at if you must have an SUV. Also, the suzuki vitara, which you could probably get into a '08/'09 as it doesn't hold its value as well.
Other cars with high seating positions that would be in budget, a couple of kia's, the soul (which does actually look like an SUV) and the venga. Also, the venga's hyundai cousin, the ix20. All 3 of these would be much newer, maybe around '12/'13.
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@SLO76 - thanks. If I'm honest with myself I think I know it's probably a bad buy. Just looked a lot nicer and better spec'd than a Renault Scenic and was trying to kid myself...
Wouldn't buy a Scenic either but I'd give up on the big diesel SUV until you can really afford one. £5k is fine for a petrol family hatch or estate but I'd give diesel MPV's and SUV's a miss. Petrol Toyota Avensis or Verso if you want to sit higher up. Honda HRV is good if you can find one too but again I'd go with petrol.
Edited by SLO76 on 08/06/2017 at 09:29
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Maybe too small but a left field suggestion is the Dacia Sandero Stepway. AT has 8 listed nationally under 5k and many of these are from main dealers - not necessarily Dacia dealers but some Renault.
I never driven one but have been a passenger and I 'd think it ideal for the school run and shopping.
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Thanks, everyone. Checking them all out.
@SL076 : Why not the Scenic (5 seat, not 7 seat), apart from being a little dull (in my opinion)? 2010/2011 petrol with sub 60k on the clock for less than £5k doesn't sound too bad to uneducated me, but I'm keen to learn.
Just for clarity, I'm not set on an SUV per se, and I'd rather have a petrol by far, I'm just trying to balance desirability with availability and a limited budget. The CRV just caught my eye as looking quite nice.
Hate buying cars ...
Edited by David Wylie on 08/06/2017 at 09:59
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The Scenic as with most Renaults is fragile both in terms of electronics and trim as they age. The petrol engines are ok as long as timing belts are done on schedule (every 5yrs at least) as they're known to fail and the 1.5 dci is actually pretty good as far as modern diesels go but again anything with a DPF will be a pain at some point. Avoid at all costs the fragile 1.9 dci which is murder for turbo failure which is known for killing the engine thanks to metal fragments being ingested. They are comfy and practical though and rust resistance is well above average but you'll get sick of spending money chasing and fixing electrical gremlins and resale values go through the floor at 7yrs plus for that reason.
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On the flip side of the coin my brother has a 2007 (newer shape) CD-V 2.2 diesel.
He bought it from auction (using my account) with about 100k on the clock. It now has at least 170k. I think he may, possibly, have had a "mate" sling some fresh oil in it on one occassion but has had nothing else done to it (he is not a car caring person) - it has been used and abused as a family car, school runs. hacked over Europe, holidays, dogs, tip runs and goodness knows what else and as far as I know the only thing wrong with it is the aircon doesn't work.
Proved to be a very, very tough car and stood up to very heavy use and no real servicing.
I'd take a 100k mile iffy service history slightly tatty diesel CR-V over an immaculate, full history 60k Scenic any day!
Edited by pd on 08/06/2017 at 14:42
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I agree with PD above.
The only thing that went wrong with my sons 05 plate Diesel CRV was it needed two rebuilt driveshafts to stop slight juddering, these would have been a scandalous price from the mian dealer, but quite reasonable from the factors, we fitted them fairly simply.
Other than that, it never missed a beat, decent economy despite doing lots of station and nursery stop start journeys, but it was serviced regularly.
They now have a 13 plate petrol CRV, not wishing the joys of a DPF on themselves.
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I'm not down on the CRV in case I come across as such, I own a 64 plate 1.6 diesel and it's largely been a reliable, comfortable, economical and spacious big family wagon and of all the SUV options at this money it's probably the best bet it's just a matter of risk. The petrol is less complex and has few mechanical vices to worry about. The diesel at 100k plus could prove cost effective but you've much more of a chance of it being a costly exercise than with the petrol.
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A Toyota corolla verso is a much better choice, reliability wise, than a scenic. The down side is that for a 50-60k mile version, you would have to go for '08 or '09. That's the price of long term reliability!
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The Honda 2.2 diesel certainly suffered from a few common issues on the early 2004/5 Accords when it first came out.
They were mainly timing chains wearing and rattling and the manifold cracking. These do appear to have been sorted on the later engines (2007ish) and they are generally pretty solid units. Honda certainly chnaged the timing chain design - there are various TSBs about it lurking on the 'net.
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Thanks all for your input.
I let my heart rule my head and bought at 139k 2008 CRV 2.2 ES diesel (with added satnav and reversing camera).
I may live to regret it, but it's immaculate inside and with a full service history.
Ah, who knows? It looks SOOO much better than a Scenic and is well nice to drive :)
I'll post back on this forum with any major issues (or not).
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Best of luck I hope it does you well for many years to come.
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Thought I'd post an update. Had my CRV for a year now, give or take.
Very happy with it. Enormous boot, reliable (so far), more economical than my Zafira 1.8 petrol (34-ish on school runs, 48+ on long drives). Really nice to drive. Passed a new MOT with no problems at all (though unsure of the new rules for next year).
150k+ on the clock now, I'll be buying another one of these when the time comes, I reckon.
Anyway, just felt like updating/
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Nice of you to pop back and update us. I’m glad the big Honda has worked out for you, these are good big wagons and I still have mine. But I still wouldn’t recommend an older high mileage diesel SUV to anyone shopping on as tight a budget as yours was.
You’ve been lucky and it sounds like you’ve bought a good one but all too often it goes badly wrong for people taking the risk you did. I hope it continues to give good service for many many miles to come and can recommend the next generation model I run myself especially with the excellent and highly efficient 1.6 DTEC diesel if you’re able to either spend a bit more next time or willing to take another chance on an older one.
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A Toyota corolla verso is a much better choice, reliability wise, than a scenic. The down side is that for a 50-60k mile version, you would have to go for '08 or '09. That's the price of long term reliability!
Great to drive as a 2.2 diesel by all accounts but there is a very real risk of head gasket failure with this engine, 1.8 petrols are reliable, just make sure there is no whining from the gearbox on it's way out.
David - that's great to hear and proves that the CRV's are tough and long lasting.
Edited by corax on 23/05/2018 at 19:11
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By a Honda and you'll never get to know your mechanic's name............. because you'll never need to know!
One of my last CRVs is now 19 years old, 280,000 miles on the clock. Failed it's last MOT on a sticky caliper - replaced for under £100 apparently.
My cousin's Accord (same engine as the CRV in the USA) is 10 years old with just under 240,000 miles on. Routine servicing is all it's had.
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