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Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - JOGON

Bought 08/08, 2 years old full dealer service history. 18,000miles Clutch Failed; Water Leak into boot floor/spare wheel well - tool kit rusted; Water Pump failed; Front Discs & Brake Pads "80% worn" and need replacement next service; Rear Brakes, same; Exhaust blowing - front and back box need replace next service. Drive train, gearbox and gearchange awful. Without doubt the worst car we've ever owned. Got rid after 6 months. Handled well and good seats etc but just badly made in the Czech Toyota, Peugeot, Citroen Factory.

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - unthrottled

Worn clutch, rusted exhaust-premature wearing of brakes, bad gear change-all the hallmarks of a previous Sunday Driver owner.

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - daveyjp

I write this as someone who bought a brand new Aygo 4.5 years ago - it's a 56 reg, which has done just 14,500 miles. It's had new waterpump under warranty and leaks sorted also under warranty.

Did you do ANY research before buying the car? Forewarned is forearmed. In this day and age researching problems with cars is easy.

Clutch Failed - A common problem - plenty of info on internet regarding a free clutch upgrade by dealers - Toyota dealers will change the 180mm clutch to a 190mm unit FOC. It is also an indication of bad driving. Your driving in 6 months could also wreck a clutch.

Water Leak into boot floor/spare wheel well - tool kit rusted - well documented on the internet.

Water Pump failed - well documented on the internet.. The design was changed and there is advice on on what to look for as the old and new are different.

Front Discs & Brake Pads "80% worn" and need replacement nxt service - all down to driving style. If you look before you buy you will notice this. We refused a 23,000 mile Aygo because the front brakes were shot.

Rear Brakes are drums so how can discs and pads need replacing?

Exhaust blowing - front and back box need replace next service - 3 years from an exhaust on a cheap car is not unknown. Ours has been fine, but I'm expecting it to go soon as the car doesn't get driven enough.

Drive train, gearbox and gearchange awful - very personal. The change is 'sloppy' like a lot of Japanese cars (the engine and gearbox are Toyota), but it is very smooth.

Next time buy a brand new one for £6000 then you'll get a three year warranty.

Edited by daveyjp on 22/06/2011 at 22:58

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - JOGON

I write this as someone who bought a brand new Aygo 4.5 years ago - it's a 56 reg, which has done just 14,500 miles. It's had new waterpump under warranty and leaks sorted also under warranty.[Daveyip: I'm talking Peugeot, Toyota look after their customers better, hence Aygo = 1st place JD POWER City Car, whereas Citroen C1 & Peugeot 107 (same car..) come in a lowly 7th + 8th with "below average dealer service")

Did you do ANY research before buying the car? Forewarned is forearmed. In this day and age researching problems with cars is easy.[Well, yeah. We've had 7 Toyotas over the years and they've been zero defect to 70/80k miles. Like you we had new waterpump and leaks fixed under warranty on 107, but don't expect to have to do this these days]

Clutch Failed - A common problem - plenty of info on internet regarding a free clutch upgrade by dealers - Toyota dealers will change the 180mm clutch to a 190mm unit FOC. It is also an indication of bad driving. Your driving in 6 months could also wreck a clutch.[We agree bad build, Toyota might upgrade to correct spec, but we bought a Peugeot. We've driven 7 Toyotas individually up to 80,000 miles over a few years, so don't think the 1,100 miles over 6 months was the issue]

Water Leak into boot floor/spare wheel well - tool kit rusted - well documented on the internet. [Agreed bad build and not acceptable these days. Didn't you spot that on your research for the Aygo?]

Water Pump failed - well documented on the internet.. The design was changed and there is advice on on what to look for as the old and new are different.[Agreed bad build, didn't you spot that on your research for the Aygo? Did you do ANY research before buying the car? Forewarned is forearmed. In this day and age researching problems with cars is easy]

Front Discs & Brake Pads "80% worn" and need replacement nxt service - all down to driving style. If you look before you buy you will notice this. We refused a 23,000 mile Aygo because the front brakes were shot. [ Fair point, it was noted by the dealer and the price was adjusted accordingly. Could've been a duff previous owner but the leaks, clutch, water pump, exhaust all tend to indicate crap build]

Rear Brakes are drums so how can discs and pads need replacing?[ I never said that, I said the front discs and pads needed replacing - which they do, and that the report back by peugeot dealer was the same for the rear, ie that the rear brakes of whatever type, need replacing. Now whether that is the drum and the pads? I don't know.

Exhaust blowing - front and back box need replace next service - 3 years from an exhaust on a cheap car is not unknown. Ours has been fine, but I'm expecting it to go soon as the car doesn't get driven enough.[ With all these defects, it's not "a cheap car" to run. You were right to take the Toyota version of a poor build. As the JD POWER shows, they look after their customers, PSA dont do as well]

Drive train, gearbox and gearchange awful - very personal. The change is 'sloppy' like a lot of Japanese cars (the engine and gearbox are Toyota), but it is very smooth. [ Not really, mates in the trade agree. The C1 and 107 versions of this badly built little Czech car aren't good. Our previous 7 Toyotas have never had 'sloppy' changes, precise and butter smooth]

Next time buy a brand new one for £6000 then you'll get a three year warranty.[ Worst car ever owned, and wouldn't touch ever again. Of the trio, you did the right thing]

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - daveyjp

If you have had 7 Toyotas and know their dealers are excellent why did you buy the Pug version?

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - madf

Having has experience of Peugeot and Toyota (And BMW) service departments , my experieince is that Peugeot ones are incompetent and unhelpful.

Toyota ones are competent and VERY helpful.

(BMW are efficient but expensive).

I would never contemplate buying another PSA car based on my service experiences: may of the mechanics are slapdash and/or incompetent .

Know nothing of 107s, just own a Yaris. (on which I DIY cos there is little to do and it's easy)

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - primeradriver

Bad gearchanges on Japanese cars? You're having a laugh aren't you?

That's the domain of the VW, the Peugeot and especially the Vauxhall.

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - unthrottled

I really like the VW gear change. The Japanese/French ones I've used left a lot to be desired-akin to a strip of wood sitting in treacle. You think you''ve hit the gate but you're not really sure.

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - madf

One of the reasons I bought a Yaris was the (high) quality of the gearchange... Made Audis and VW look what they are.. (I had an A4 before)...

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - Bobbin Threadbare

Toyotas aren't bad at all. Gear change in my Mazda is one of its weak points. Took me a long time to get used to it and I missed my Focus, which had a great gearbox and very easy gear changes.

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - unthrottled

The Focus has a nice change-and the choice of ratios is good too. Just a shame about what the gear lever is fitted to!

For such a fundamental part of the car, you'd think manufacturers would spend a little longer getting it spot on.

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - Bobbin Threadbare

Yeah... I lost that 'Colin McCrae' feeling when I traded it in....

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - primeradriver

I don't have a problem with the gun-bolt action of the Focus change, but when it comes with the Vaux/VW baulking and notchiness that feel becomes a curse, and you long for the silkiness of the Japanese changes.

Nissan got it spot on with the Primera IMO.

The Focus is good but it's still prone to be noisy when you're faster than the synchro, and you feel every dog-tooth shooting back up your arm.

The Vauxhall is just clunky. Nasty cars all-round really. The Pugs are no better -- if a Jap car is a stick in treacle, the Pugs are a stick in sandy treacle.

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - unthrottled

Coming, as I did, from a gearbox where you can't discern 1st, 3rd, or 5th either visually or by feel-the notchyness of the VW box is a welcome change. The short throws are nice too. I think the quality of the change is more to do with the clutch control than the box. Low revs, slow change, high revs, fast change. A quick and silky smooth gear change never grows old.

I don't try to beat the synchros but I do sometimes beat the clutch-then you feel the dogs!!

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - unthrottled

Any takers for Aston's addition to the triumvirate that is Aygo/107/C1? Just 50,000 euros for a C1.

No? Thought not.

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - Avant

I'm sure I read that the Cygnet was being sold mainly (or is it only?) to owners of 'real' Aston Martins. I think I also saw that - of that rarefied fraternity - there were plenty of takers.

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - unthrottled

A fool and money...

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - Auristocrat

The Aston Martin Cygnet is based on the Toyota IQ - not the Aygo/C1/107. According to the press, they were being offered to existing owners. European manufacturers are having to look at the fuel consumption across their ranges, with a view to meeting minimum EU standards for fuel consumption (something the States has had for a number of years). The Cygnet is one way that Aston Martin can 'lower' fuel consumption across their range.

The difference in build standards between the Aygo/C1/107 was illustrated on the Toyota Owners Club forums earlier this year when a problem with the front right hand cross member was identified (some were not the correct thickness steel). Toyota undertook rectification at the factory on affected Aygos. PSA (Citroen and Peugeot) didn't - presumably dealing with any issues through the dealer network as and when they arose.

Edited by Auristocrat on 24/06/2011 at 18:49

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - unthrottled

The Aston Martin Cygnet is based on the Toyota IQ - not the Aygo/C1/107.

[slaps forehead]

Oh, I know why they're doing it-I just think that doing a vanden plas on someone else's car is tacky and pointless. If you can't design engines, bodys and gearboxes, you can't really call yourself a carmaker. The rover 214 had walnut and leather as standard-didn't make it a good car!

Edited by unthrottled on 24/06/2011 at 20:22

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - Auristocrat

So does that mean Seat and Skoda aren't car makers? Seat produce re-skinned versions of the Polo (Ibiza), Golf (Leon) and Golf Plus (Altea) . The Seat Exeo is the previous generation Audi A4 - built by Audi for Seat.

Skoda re-skin the Polo (Fabia), Golf (Octavia) and Passat (Superb), but also produce the Roomster and Yeti - so do design some of their own bodyshells. However, engines and gearboxes are shared throughout VAG - so no design elements for Seat and Skoda here.

The Rover 214 (1989 - 1995) was the best selling Rover ever. Some body design involved - coupe, and estate. Engines from Honda, Peugeot and Rover. Gearboxes designed by Honda and Peugeot.

We had a 1994 Honda Concerto 1.5 for 3.5 years from new. Built by Rover at Longbridge. This was as reliable and well-built as any of the 15 new cars we've had - the rest of which were Nissans, Mazdas, Toyotas and Hondas

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - unthrottled

No they are not. Skoda and Seat exist solely as a means of price differentiation for the VAG group-and a politically low key way of exporting jobs from expensive Germany to cheaper countries.

Changing the shape of pressed steel body panels doesn't really count as car design. Companies which don't really contribute towards develpment and simply cobble together thinly disguisd reworks of other people's stuff should, IMO, go to the wall.

Aston Martin-£150,000 for a Ford? puulease!

Saab have been pointless GM clones for a long time. Saab's overdue demise should have occurred long before and with dignity. The smoke and mirrors campaign being waged by Spyker is an unfitting end to a company that was once a sound, if niche automaker.

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - primeradriver
The problem with the Vaux change in particular is the slowness of the box itself. On the cars I've driven of that marque it is perfectly possible to obtain a smooth gearchange -- if you give the gearbox a second or so to catch up with itself. High revs or low, just try to slip it in and you get a click-notch-notch-in which drives me mad.

VWs are the same to a lesser degree.

Once the Primera box was warmed up, it didn't seem to matter how much you abused it, the gear would just slot into place. Plenty of feel through the gate but the feedback was nicely damped so the (rare) slow changes aren't felt so much.

The Focus box is generally good, but one thing I cannot stand is clicks and clunks being transmitted back up the linkage. No good, and the Focus is guilty of it.

The worst one though has to be the Daewoo variant of the Vauxhall gearshift. It adds slop to the general mix of notchiness, plasticky gate (a particular bugbear of mine) and generally unpleasant action, leaving a noisy, notchy mess of a gearchange. Horrible.

I think I know what davey was referring to with the Jap gearchanges though. Some of the older Mitsubishis were pretty vague, if slick. Good box linked to carp linkage.
Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - JOGON

If you have had 7 Toyotas and know their dealers are excellent why did you buy the Pug version? Daveyip - let's all calm down and enjoy this light, breezy venue for motoring discussion, with a cup of tea. Your line of forenic / chief prosecutor quizzing for the prosecution feels a bit- well- like 'berating', or being 'told off'. I just wanted to warn others that the Peugeot 107 is the worst car we've ever owned. Your Aygo appears to have many of the same build-defects, confirming the point. To answer on behalf of the defence, I wish to call my first Witness What Car who will (did say) "The 107 is a joint effort with Toyota, which did most of the engineering work and has an excellent record for reliability". Trade guides indicated that the second hand Pug goes for about £1,000 less than the comparable Aygo. And finally, embarrassed to say it but:- only the Pug comes in the bright Canary Yellow!!

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - primeradriver
Yes the Pug and Citroen are the same car, near enough 100%.

But the point is you're buying a cheaply-made car designed for Eastern European markets. It was never going to be as well made as a Yaris, or indeed lowish-priced competitors such as the Colt or Swift.

These cars just aren't cheap enough IMO; if you buy them at £5500 then fine, but that's all they're worth new. At nearly £8000 they're a rip-off.

It's not as good as a real Toyota. It's not as good as a real PSA car either. At the uber-cheap end of the market the Koreans have things sewn up IMO.

Nothing will convince me that an end-of-line special for about £6000 from just about any manufacturer isn't better than an Aygo. We've seen Almeras, Vectras, Colts, Magentises, Clios and C2s go for this sort of money brand-new in recent years. And none of those cars were built down to a price such that the core engineering was compromised.

Edited by primeradriver on 25/06/2011 at 03:04

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - madf

We looked at buying a new Aygo, but specced up it would cost c £8kplus. For that price we could buy a three year old Yaris with goodies and 20 odd k miles .

No contest...(but if you want a small town car and a NEW one...you could do worse.)..

There are lots of immaculate low mileage 3-4 year old cars available if you look. Effectively a run in new car at half the cost...

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - Honestguy

Just bought a 2006 107 with 45000 miles on it for my daughter as first / learner car. She loves it. I'm quite impressed with the inside room, all the storage space, the visibility and turning circle, compared to the cars I drive at work - Vauxhall Insignias, Freelanders, Skoda Superbs, and the like. It's a basic car, noisy at speed, but built for short trips around the city. As I do all my own mechanic work it's really easy - and cheap - to work on and service. It's a basic cheap car for drivers who won't spend more money on anything better. You get what you pay for. Personally I think it's excellent value for money.

Peugeot 107 3 Door Urban - Was mine the only crap one then? - daveyK_UK

Not sure if its called the urban model, but the base model 107 has higher insurance costs with some companies than more luxury models due to the lack of head rests on the back seats.

Any accident no matter how minor with passengers in the back of the basic 107, results in higher than average claims compared to the rest of the range.