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British built auto estates - any out there? - Alanovich
I am looking in to the possibility buying a new estate car, and I require automatic transmission, preferably of the DSG/Tiptronic type.

Many models are under consideration (leaning mostly towards a Skoda Octavia at the moment), however it has crossed my mind that I would dearly like to buy a British built car if at all possible.

So, that's my question. Are there any estates built in the UK currently which can be ordered with auto/tiptronic? I do not want an MPV (wife's got one) and I will under no circumstances consider an SUV type vehicle (including the Nissan Qashqai).

I will consider Focus/Golf sized or Mundaneo/Passat sized cars, and would want to avoid "prestige" or "premium" brands. Although I might consider an X-Type if I could get a cheap deal I suppose, it is British built I presume.

Max budget around 15k and will consider new or pre-reg/nearly new (up to a year old).

Anyone got any suggestions? I'm particularly wondering if the outgoing Vectra C is built on these shores......even though I've never thought I'd ever buy a Vauxhall.
British built auto estates - any out there? - dereckr
Is the Avensis built in GB?
British built auto estates - any out there? - Alanovich
I don't know, definately one I'd consider seriously if it is.
British built auto estates - any out there? - Rattle
Yep I believe thats built in Derbyshire, unless its changed with the new model.
British built auto estates - any out there? - Alanovich
Just noticed drivethedeal have some pre-reg Avensis hatches at a healthy discount, quoted as having a "Seq Auto" gearbox.

Is this the same thing as Tiptronic/DSG?
British built auto estates - any out there? - rtj70
Have you checked what HJ says about them in the Car by Car Breakdown?
British built auto estates - any out there? - Alanovich
rtj, don't know if you mean the Avensis or the X-type CBC, but both look pretty positive. Were you trying to point something out in particular or just giving me a helpful nudge? :-)

I think these two are the only British built estates now. Wouldn't be unhappy with either really, will certainly look further into the Avensis as an option. Prestige badge and cost of repairs in the mid to long term put me off the Jag to be honest, but not completely.
British built auto estates - any out there? - rtj70
"a helpful nudge" :-)

I was referring to the Avensis though. I would think the runout models will have some good deals as the new one is now being build.

I do not know what sort of autos they have.
British built auto estates - any out there? - Alanovich
That's what I was thinking about the run-out thing. Hmm.

Haven't seen any Vectra C type doozies on auto estates yet, will have to keep 'em peeled. I think their Seq Auto is akin to Tiptronic, having done a cursory google.
British built auto estates - any out there? - rtj70
Toyota built the last and new Avensis in Derbyshire. Engines are built in Wales.
British built auto estates - any out there? - runboy
What about the Honda Accord estate? Is that built at their Swindon plant?

Diesel now available with an auto box, but not sure in what model/trim combination.
British built auto estates - any out there? - Alanovich
Think Swindon is just Civics and CRVs, isn't it?
British built auto estates - any out there? - BobbyG
I aasume your choice here is due to wanting to be loyal to British products and workplaces. And OK, the ones you mention should be OK but surely you need to be selfish here and get a car that is going to be good for you, you do not want to buy a British car and then find they have went bust (eg Rover) and no one left to deal with your problems?

Would it be better to buy a car built in Britain from imported parts, or a car built in country x with parts exported from Britain?? Not that I know if any are!!

Personally speaking, I would go for the Octavia Estate!

British built auto estates - any out there? - Pendlebury
This is my attempt at clarifying what mainstream cars are built in the UK.

Toyota - Burnaston, Derbyshire - Avensis (all models) and Auris
Honda - Swindon - CRV and Civic
Vauxhall - Ellesmere Port - Astra
Nissan - Quashqai and Note
BMW - Oxford - Mini
Tata - Halewood - Jag X-type and Freelander
Aston Martin - Warwick - all models (except the 4 door saloon) - but not really mainstream
Tata - Browns Lane and Castle Bromwhich - XF, XK and XJ
Tata - Birmingham and Solihull - Discovery, Defender and Rang Rover

So in answer to the original question you are looking at a new Avensis estate or an X-type.

We do actually have a wide variety of cars made in the UK - most of which are best in classs at quality and reliability - which begs the question why we buy cars not made in the UK ? and I direct that question to myself as well.
PS - I think the Avensis is a far better car than the Octavia - certainly one in which supports UK based manufacturing as well.

Edited by Pendlebury on 12/01/2009 at 16:04

British built auto estates - any out there? - boxsterboy
Tiptronic and DSG boxes are not the same. Tip = torque-converter auto with manual over-ride of gears. Many people sell these under various names.

DSG = twin clutch box with manual or auto operation. Apart from Porsche, I think only VW group cars have these so far (VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda).

The other option is a automated manual - various 'names' depending on manufacturer.
British built auto estates - any out there? - Alanovich
Thanks for the info. I more concerned about the user experience than the technology behind it - I'm essentially after an auto box with a clutchless manual option. Don't really mind what it's called.
British built auto estates - any out there? - colinh
"DSG = twin clutch box with manual or auto operation. Apart from Porsche, I think only VW group cars have these so far (VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda)."

Ford, Mitsubishi, Bugatti, BMW, Nissan, Volvo, McLaren
British built auto estates - any out there? - Mapmaker
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& Morgan, Caterham...
British built auto estates - any out there? - tyro
We do actually have a wide variety of cars made in the UK - most
of which are best in classs at quality and reliability - which begs the question
why we buy cars not made in the UK ?


Interesting point. It certainly would make me think again about buying a British car. I tend to believe in buying British - though quality and getting exactly what I want are even more important - and while the variety of cars made in the UK is OK, it could be better.
British built auto estates - any out there? - Avant
The profits (if and when they make any) from these British-built cars (apart from the Mini and the specialists, none of which are estates) go to Japan, the USA or (now) India. You might just as well have a principle of keeping within Europe and go for the Skoda.

Try an Octavia against an Avensis and go for the one you like - depending on the engine you choose, I'd have thought in most cases the Octavia was the more rewarding to drive.
British built auto estates - any out there? - Pugugly
Profits ??
British built auto estates - any out there? - Pendlebury
>>The profits (if and when they make any) from these British-built cars (apart from the Mini and the specialists, none of which are estates) go to Japan, the USA or (now) India. You might just as well have a principle of keeping within Europe and go for the Skoda.<<

That is the case but at least with a UK built car it keeps the UK workforce employed and the factory is dependent upon a UK supply chain - the companies in which will be making a profit that stays in the UK. And the UK workers will be taxes in the UK to help support Gordon's debt.
British built auto estates - any out there? - cjehuk
X-Type 3.0v6 Auto Soverign new from Drive The Deal for £25521

X-Type 2.2d Auto Soverign new from DTD for £25493

I'd take the 3.0v6...
British built auto estates - any out there? - Westpig
his max budget was £15K....cheapest X Type auto on Drive the Deal is 2.2D S auto at £20705, 5K off list though...which even my maths can equate to 20% off
British built auto estates - any out there? - Bilboman
Go back 25-35 years and there would have been quite a list (sniffs into hanky).
Everything from the jerky 4 speed automatic Mini Traveller to the likes of the FE Victor (perfect 50/50 weight ratio, never been bettered!!), Triumph 2500, Singer Vogue, Reliant Scimitar (slight stretch of the definition of "Estate Car")....
If it were my choice, I'd blow 15 grand on a rare and beautiful coachbuilt estate: the Avon Jaguar, the Rover P6 or even that one-off SD1 Estate if it were for sale.
Sigh...
British built auto estates - any out there? - Alanovich
Speaking of Minis, surprised no-one has mentioned the current Clubman yet. Too small for me, but still a British built estate. I loved the Triumph in my youth - Dad had a 2000 saloon for a while. Sigh.

Westpig - I had seen that offer on DTD for the Jag at around 20k, and it is tempting me. But if I could find an Avensis, brand new, at nearer 10k then I'd rather keep the rest of the money for something else.

May well still swing to the Skoda if it proves a much better drive than the Avensis, however if I decide to push the boat out then I'll consider the Jag or even an Audi A6 Avant. DTD have some very good prices on those at the moment.
British built auto estates - any out there? - Pendlebury
I know this is going off subject a bit but you get a brand new 2008 MY Avensis estate TR spec with all the toys for £15K and you can choose between a new D4D or 1.8vvti.
The only auto they do is the 5dr hatchback.
If you have a look at the Blue Moon sale on the Toyota web site they are all listed there.
And I would bet they will include 0% which is not currently listed against that model on the web site - it might need a bit of arm bending but I reckon you could do it.
Also I would read HJ's view of the Avensis chassis among others - it comes highly rated but designed and built for durability and reliability so whilst they could have made it handle better - it may result in customers replacing bushes etc and that is not what Toyota do.

Edited by Pendlebury on 13/01/2009 at 17:05

British built auto estates - any out there? - Alanovich
You can't get an Avensis estate with an auto box? How odd. And what a shame. May well end up going foreign built, then. Will think about the Avensis hatch, although I don't want to buy one and then regret not getting an estate.
British built auto estates - any out there? - rtj70
I assume you're not after the new Avensis? You mention you might go for a hatch and they have done the same as Honda with the Accord and only have a saloon and estate.