If I remember correctly, amongst other cars you have a 1.4 Vaux Corsa.
>>Is this behaviour something the badge causes, or is it something the badge attracts?
Have you pimped your car up and put massive exhaust pipe on, huge sub-woofer, ridiculous body kit etc etc? Are you a chav?
I am not trying to be insulting, but just trying to point out that generalising or using preconceptions garnered on the street can be way off the mark.
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I genuinely believe that the 2 most agressively driven cars on the road are:
E46 330ci
E46 320cd
Tailgaiting is their old favorite I find.
BTW the 330ci is on my shortlist for next car & I nearly bought a Z4 3.0 this year so I'm not biased, in fact it's prob my favorite car brand
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On the M6 an 04 Honda Tourer
This morning an 06 Saab 9-3.
The Corsa is my daughters and I am not insured to drive it, so I don't.
Edited by ijws15 on 07/11/2007 at 12:15
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On an observational note, I tend to notice the worst tailgaters are 3 Series BMW drivers. I don't care for the usual comments about stereotyping, thats just the way it is on my daily commute.
On the flipside, the most generous and courteous drivers seem to be (currently) older cars (i.e pre 2000) Perhaps the safety increases in cars pushes the agression forward as well?
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Going back to the OP, can I ask whether you do think that "Is this behaviour something the badge causes, or is it something the badge attracts?" is in fact trueand applies to all marques?
If it is, and I suspect that you think that it is, I would be very interested to see what you think Honda Tourers and Saab 9-3s say about a person. :)
Me, I am very secure within myself and really don't feel the need to try and pretend that I am better than someone else by showing off with menial materialistic "status symbols" (nb inverted commas)
Now being a hypocrite, I want to bring out some generalistions. For the record I drive a 5 Estate (7yo E39). I think that the accolade for the most aggressive driver (oooh, here it comes) is a tie between van drivers and Porsche 911 but do agree that 3 series drivers are particularly bad.
Edited by rogue-trooper on 07/11/2007 at 13:12
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I don't think I've ever seen a 911 driven agressively - or any Porker / Ferarri / Lambo for that matter, or even top end merks SL/CL55, SL500s etc. The people that have these cars, IMO, are either old & rich (& mature), or famous & not wanting to attract attention. The agreesive drivers are always the type who pretend tobe something that they aren't. Other notable offenders include Megane diesel & Audi A3 TDI drivers in my experience.
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so just from this thread we have aggressive drivers down as
all BMWs (especially 3 series and in particular 330ci and 320d)
Porsche 911
Van drivers
Range Rovers
Megane diesels
Audi A3 tdi
anyone else to add to the list?
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Police cars with blues n twos on. I always find that they try and push their way through traffic and ignore red lights and never let anyone out in front of them! :)
Especially the BMW 5 series ones...... :)
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2005 Skoda Fabia vrS
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I can't say I find BMW drivers any more or less aggressive than anyone else. In fact I have been surprised by the manners of many BMW drivers.
I suffer less from tailgating and aggression these days for some reason. Maybe other people's driving is improving, or maybe my observation and avoidance skills are better.
I still loathe white vans, presumably because they are quite large vehicles, giving the driver a sense of superiority, the driver only needs a normal licence and no special training, and he is more often than not an aggressive young male chav.
I also find many 4x4's are aggressively driven. Again I suspect it is the feeling of invincibility due to the large size. Oh and the fact that I find them intimidating, and they block out the light.
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Well as some of you know I've just ended a 25 year (+ or -) association with four wheeled BMWs and I am buying a er....Skoda Roomster. I was driving quite "Positively" home tonight 2 8 miles along a dual/Mway, I wonder how I will drive the same journey next week in the Czech machine,,,,,? and more importantly what emotions my overtaking will generate in the car occupants I pass ....
Edited by Pugugly {P} on 07/11/2007 at 23:07
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drive the same journey next week in the Czech machine ? and more importantly what emotions my overtaking will generate in the car occupants I pass ....
ROFL you believed the salesman when he said you could overtake cars in that?
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I sold new BMW's from 1987 to 1992 and the people who buy them (or did then)are invariably succesfull.They can be divided equally, almost, between complete bounders or the nicest people you could ever wish to meet, each having achieved success in their own way.The aforementioned group are the bad mannered drivers undoubtedly experienced by many of you daily.The bad manners thing now seems to have spread to audi and most notably new VW passat drivers.Has a large BMW fleet been replaced by passats?anyone know?
You'll know the word I've changed !
Edited by Pugugly {P} on 07/11/2007 at 23:09
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>>>They can be divided equally, almost, between complete bounders or the nicest people you could ever wish to meet...
That sounds like an accurate assessment of the general population, not just BMW drivers.
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I should know better than going over old, old ground but I couldn't help thinking about this thread as I sat in the queue on the M27 last night - 2 car tailgating accident, BMW at rear; and then again on the M27 this morning - 5 car tailgating accident in lane 3, BMWs in positions 2, 4 and 5. ;-)
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Can you keep it quiet I'm posting from a BMW Dealer !!! :-)
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car tailgating accident, BMW at rear
BMWs have crap brakes and crap drivers to match.
Edited by jbif on 08/11/2007 at 11:14
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I sold new BMW's from 1987 to 1992 and the people who buy them (or did then)are invariably succesfull. (sic)
Perhaps the marque appeals mainly to those who equate success with the acquisition of lucre.
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Range Rover Times 2, today. White Van driver, today. Ford Mondeo Driver, today. - all pink fluffy Dice. And I don't like VW Golf Drivers or Vauxhaul Vectra Drivers, or ...........
Last week a truck with a foriegn number plate came up behind me on the motorway, as I was following a slower truck in the slow lane. The foriegen truck then tailgated me and flashed its lights at me (I don't know where he wanted me to go?) so I slowed down to an indicated 55mph and then after a minute feathered the brake pedal.
The following truck's reaction was impressive. He panicked braked and when he did pass me hit his horn and decided to try and force me to use the hard shoulder!
In a seperate incident today I was driving along in a line of traffic and a mercedes E Class comes up fast behind me. Insted of tailgating the driver held right back. When we entered city limits and a dual carrage way was presented he raced off again. The driver was a man in his mid 20's, smartly dressed and the driver seat was covered in one of those plastic seat covers a garage puts on whilst servicing a car.
Mayby I should just keep a list of all the types of cars that have driven badly in my vacinity over then next month - and see if there's any pattern.
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mk124, dangerous game playing with trucks. I had one tailgate me through some r'works on an m'way. I was sticking to the 50mph speed limit as I always do in r'works (as this is where "They" like to nab you) in the middle lane. I was going faster than the trucks in the inside lane and obviously the lorry couldn't move into the fast lane. When he got really close to the bumper, I slowed down a bit in case of a need to emergency stop, which seemed to annoy him more. after a while, I got slightly bored with all this, so overtook the car in front of me so that they would be tailgated, and carried on at the proper speed with said trucked still getting annoyed.
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I must be going mad. I could have sworn i posted a toungue in cheek remark in here last night.
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I must be going mad. I could have sworn i posted a toungue in cheek remark in here last night.
Hello Michael.
You mean the one at Thu 8 Nov 07 01:10 ? I can see it on Google cache.
I knew you were taking the Michael but obviously a mod didn't!
Edited by jbif on 08/11/2007 at 11:12
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Mike,
I've e-mailed you about this
but the address we have keeps bouncing back, if you e-mail me, I'll "reply" it was the TIC bit I wasn't sure about - I don't think you're going mad.
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Pug, how can you change cars without consulting with the backroom? We need to know reasons for change, what you want in your new car and only when we have discussed it are you allowed to go ahead and change!
Thought a mod of all people would know that!! :)
On a more serious note, would be interested in your thought process as my dad is very interested in getting a Roomster!
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2005 Skoda Fabia vrS
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Fine you're right, you may have read subtle hints that this was going to happen, it happened a lot quicker than I thought after an Out of Warranty Experience" with the 5. I will post separately.
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Mike I've e-mailed you about this but the address we have keeps bouncing back
In which case can Mike please update his email address (and anyone else who has a non valid address). If a moderator emails you and discovers your email address is dead, your BR account will be closed.
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=33427
Edited by Webmaster on 08/11/2007 at 12:54
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My email address is correct but I've just sent a test message to it and it hasn't arrived. Odd. I've updated my profile with alternative, functional email so if you wish to drop me a line feel free. I thought my remark was obviously TIC given it's no secret what I drive :)
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