Thanks Bill, I'll do a search. I should have tried that first.
Good point about it being perception or reality though, some actual cases would be useful.
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My parents were looking at getting a 1 year old Jazz 1.4SE, but ended up going for brand new, because as you have noticed, the residuals are so high you may aswell buy new.
My mum seems to like the car, but personally i can't stand the thing. Note that this is just my opinion, but...
"It seems bigger inside than most of it's rivals," said my mum. The thing is, it IS bigger than all it's rivals - virtually the same size as my Escort, i reckon.
The visability at junctions is appalling due to the enormous A? pillar - i'm constantly having to physically lean forward and round to check that roads are really clear.
The driving position, whilst high up so forward visibility is good, is not ideal for traffic jams - two hours on the M25 in heavy traffic left my back and left ankle aching.
The load space created by the magic seats is amazing, however.
This, along with other features of its design have lead me to the conclusion that:
My Escort is faster than her Jazz
My Escort handles better than her Jazz
My Escort is more comfortable than her Jazz
My Escort is easier to park than her Jazz
Her Jazz can fit more shopping in
Her Jazz would be safer in an accident
I TOLD her to get one of the last Escorts, and save £7000, but would she listen? :-P
Personally i would rate the Hyundai Getz as a better car in the same category, and it's £3000 cheaper so have a look at that if you haven't already.
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>>Personally i would rate the Hyundai Getz as a better car in the same category
Sorry but i have to disagree with that part (and most of the rest) Hawesy. The Getz,while being ok, is not in the same league as the Jazz. The jazz does everything better - simple as that. I found the Jazz to be pretty comfortable too, and handling while not superb was fine. Certainly better than a escort! (IMHO)
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Quality is remembered long after price is forgotten!
Jazz owner.
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This is all very well, but the question was:
Do Jazz's hold their price when you try to sell them?
(We know they do when you're buying one, but what about the other way around)?
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In a word yes. But that is now, the market may have changed in 2 or 3 years and the jazz may become a better used deal.
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"Do Jazz's hold their price when you try to sell them?"
Clearly not, since everybody seems to be saying "blimey, it's only £1k more to get a new one, so I might as well" Which would rather suggest that they're overpriced, and difficult to sell at that price - or maybe there are loads of Jazz buyers that haven't realised a new one is only £1k more, or think they are buying into solid residuals because it's only lost £1k in the first year.
Oh, and I very very very much doubt an Escort outhandles a Jazz. Unless the Jazz has 4 flat tyres or something.
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RichardW
Is it illogical? It must be Citroen....
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Some good points there, thanks.
It does seem that the 2nd hand ones are overpriced as such but isn't there a supply & demand issue in effect here as well? I've seen it mentioned that Honda possibly struggle to get enough for the UK market which may 'artificially' shore the current prices up.
Or am I talking rubbish?
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What are delivery times on a brand new Jazz? High second hand prices suggest lengthy waiting lists and purchasers are willing to pay a premium to get the car now rather than later.
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There always seem to be plenty of nearly new Jazzes at Honda dealers near me, so can't think that restricted supply is the reason. They are axcellent cars though and very few people would criticise you for buying one, new or used.
If you are going to keep your car for more than five or six years, does it matter. Find teh best one you can for the money.
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Espada III - well if you have a family and need a Lamborghini, what else do you drive?
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Apologies for wandering off thread again, but......
It IS only my opinion of the Jazz after all, and i'm not exactly their target demographic either.
On the handling front, yes, really, my Escort handles better (nicer perhaps being the more appropriate word)!
The Jazz has much more body roll and ridiculously light steering with a large amount of lock required to turn(forgot about that in the first post) - so light that both my little brothers, who are currently learning to drive, regularly have trouble winding the lock off after exiting a junction. The seats are less supportive than those in my Escort too.
I could go on to say that my car will depreciate less than her Jazz, and so far not one thing has gone wrong in 20 months and 18k miles.
I'm sorry, but i really don't like the Jazz.
Oh and the radio/CD controls are fiddly and stupid.
*Ducks and runs from thread*
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>>On the handling front, yes, really, my Escort handles better
Well, that is very surprising.
Very.
>>I could go on to say that my car will depreciate less than her Jazz
Thats fairly obvious because the jazz is new and your escort is 7(?) years old and probably worth about £250!
>>I'm sorry, but i really don't like the Jazz.
I think you are in a minority there.
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I sold the things. They're great little cars but I wouldn't have one.
I agree with Hawsey, the seats are not very good, they're no good on a longer run and the handling left a little to be desired when compared with other car's of it's class.
Yes, if someone asked me, I really would rather do a long journey in an Escort Finesse than a Jazz.
Now maybe if they brought out a 3 door Type R version I would reconsider, but that's hardly going to appeal tot eh target demographic of elder... erm... more mature people (just remembered there are owners on this board!) and school run mums is it? :-)
Blue
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On the handling front, yes, really, my Escort handles better (nicer perhaps being the more appropriate word)!
The only experience i have of Escorts is my dad's 1986 mkIV 1.6GL, which i last drove about 12/13 years ago. The intervening period has not dulled the memory of what an absolute heap it was. Horrid horrid thing on so many levels. I can't imagine an Escort handling better than anything.
I haven't driven a Jazz though.
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I think I can speak with reasonable experience her after having an Escort 1.6 Finesse foisted on me as a company car and doing about 25k in a year and then buying my own car - an 02 plate Jazz and putting 66K on it in 2.5 years.
The escort was a pig. No-one in their right mind could consider that an Escort has good handling as standard. it understeers like crazy and for a 1.6 was gutless to say the least. The seats could give (and did) me backache within 30 minutes. It broke down more than twice in a year.
The Jazz was:
Better handling ( you have to trust it as the body roll SEEMS more because you're higher up but I could out corner most average motorists)
Faster (one thing scrotes are not when standard is fast!)
Quieter
More comfortable
Way more economical (Average of over 50MPG for the Jazz versus 35 for the Scrote)
Safer
Easier to park (flat back end so you can tell where all the corners are
Tighter turning circle
More reliable - one aircon sensor in 2.5 years and 66k miles.
Much greater and more versatile carrying capacity - try getting 2 full size filing cabinets in a Scrote!
I sold mine to my sister-in law (one of 3 people queuing up to buy it) for £6K last December (probably too cheaply) having bought it for £10.5K in March 02. I have probably lost the same amount in depreciation with my new car as soon as I drove it out of the showroom!
Try it and if you get along with it then buy one - new or secondhand. You will not regret it.
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