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all plug in - Electric - HGV ~ P Valentine

Electric car owners face charging issues as drivers say 'the situation is not improving' (msn.com)

I saw this ad and it had not occurred to me that this might be an issue, so has anyone had connectivity issues when it comes to paying for an electric top up ?

If you wanted to in the area you live, are you likely to have issues with internet in a public area for topping up an electric vehicle ?

Edited by HGV ~ P Valentine on 22/12/2022 at 07:15

all plug in - Electric - Adampr

Yes. To my mind, EVs only really make sense if you charge at home and / or work. I have never used a public charger.

all plug in - Electric - mcb100
I’m the other position, a regular long distance EV user with no home charging solution. I’m typing this from the driver’s seat of an Electrified Genesis GV70 110 miles from home.
Very rare I don’t have a phone signal outdoors around the country, and there are apps like Plugsurfing that will allow access to lots of charging networks via one NFC card or app.
Renault have the Mobilize Charge Pass that will access 300,000+ charge point across Europe via one card.
all plug in - Electric - galileo
I’m the other position, a regular long distance EV user with no home charging solution. I’m typing this from the driver’s seat of an Electrified Genesis GV70 110 miles from home. Very rare I don’t have a phone signal outdoors around the country, and there are apps like Plugsurfing that will allow access to lots of charging networks via one NFC card or app. Renault have the Mobilize Charge Pass that will access 300,000+ charge point across Europe via one card.

On another forum, someone reported seeing 15 Teslas waiting for the charging point at an MSA today.

all plug in - Electric - gordonbennet

Not as it matters to me, because i'll never have a battery only car, but the talk of allowing other makes to use Teslas charging stations would see me never buying another Tesla again if i owned one now.

They are well overpriced and as such exclusive, part of the excessive price is the access to their unrivalled charging network which means owners don't have to suffer any argy bargy with the hoi palloi, something that's going to feature more widely in due course, i'd be very annoyed spending out serious wads of loot for a Tesla only to find myself queuing behind every other make that didn't have to pay quite so much scene tax.

all plug in - Electric - bathtub tom

Not as it matters to me, because i'll never have a battery only car, but the talk of allowing other makes to use Teslas charging stations would see me never buying another Tesla again if i owned one now.

That's a bit excessive GB and hardly in the spirit of the season. What if certain filling stations barred certain makes, say Toyota?

all plug in - Electric - gordonbennet

That's a bit excessive GB and hardly in the spirit of the season. What if certain filling stations barred certain makes, say Toyota?

Not at all, Tesla owners paid high prices for not just the cars but the exclusive charging network, to then find after buying in that the exclusive charging network was going to be opened up to every tom (not you) dick and harry would not be welcome news.

If a filling station banned Toyota that would be their choice, just so long as they are prepared for the results of their decision, if allowing all and sundry is Tesla's decision then they too will have to accept any effects it has, not just their sales but the exclusivity of the product as a whole.

all plug in - Electric - edlithgow

Not as it matters to me, because i'll never have a battery only car, but the talk of allowing other makes to use Teslas charging stations would see me never buying another Tesla again if i owned one now.

That's a bit excessive GB and hardly in the spirit of the season. What if certain filling stations barred certain makes, say Toyota?

Big squawks from semi-privilaged early adopters here in Taiwan when Tesla cut their purchase prices a few years ago, so I'd say GB had the mindset pretty well calibrated.

all plug in - Electric - mcb100
There’s already an algorithm in place with the Tesla Supercharger network which applies overstay charges, but only if the bank of chargers are busy.
I’ve not seen anything about this, but I’d guess that, going forward, there’ll be a similar arrangement whereby non-Teslas can only access Tesla Superchargers if they’re quiet.
all plug in - Electric - alan1302
There’s already an algorithm in place with the Tesla Supercharger network which applies overstay charges, but only if the bank of chargers are busy. I’ve not seen anything about this, but I’d guess that, going forward, there’ll be a similar arrangement whereby non-Teslas can only access Tesla Superchargers if they’re quiet.

They are going to have to open them up even if they don't want to as governments round the world will ensure they do but Tesla spin it that they were always going to do it.

all plug in - Electric - edlithgow
There’s already an algorithm in place with the Tesla Supercharger network which applies overstay charges, but only if the bank of chargers are busy. I’ve not seen anything about this, but I’d guess that, going forward, there’ll be a similar arrangement whereby non-Teslas can only access Tesla Superchargers if they’re quiet.

They are going to have to open them up even if they don't want to as governments round the world will ensure they do but Tesla spin it that they were always going to do it.

Seems to suggest that govts around the world have a socialist attitude, which seems enviably optimistic.

Did you spend the last few decades in Cuba?

Edited by edlithgow on 25/12/2022 at 13:23

all plug in - Electric - Terry W

Tesla created their charger network to attract sales of EVs when (a) there was a very limited charging network, and (b) restricting their use gave them a real competitive advantage.

Times change - perpetuating a Tesla strategy developed a decade ago could ultimately lead to each manufacturer with their own charging network, incompatible software, apps, connection leads etc.

This would be a complete shambles - private sector energy suppliers would be reluctant to install charging networks making roll out of adequate charging capacity much slower.

From a public/consumer point of view, a standard connector, app, payment method etc is optimal allowing charging at any charging point.

Tesla only charging would be a high cost dead end outcome for Tesla - and would ultimately result in the non-Tesla chharging network being an superior choice.

Edited by Terry W on 25/12/2022 at 14:32

all plug in - Electric - alan1302
There’s already an algorithm in place with the Tesla Supercharger network which applies overstay charges, but only if the bank of chargers are busy. I’ve not seen anything about this, but I’d guess that, going forward, there’ll be a similar arrangement whereby non-Teslas can only access Tesla Superchargers if they’re quiet.

They are going to have to open them up even if they don't want to as governments round the world will ensure they do but Tesla spin it that they were always going to do it.

Seems to suggest that govts around the world have a socialist attitude, which seems enviably optimistic.

Did you spend the last few decades in Cuba?

The entire EU is having Tesla open up the Supercharger network as they will be doing in the US...so pretty optimistic that other countries will end up doing the same. And if you believe anything Elon Musk says then he has sated that he was always going to do it anyway.

all plug in - Electric - Ethan Edwards

There are already a dozen uk Tesla charging sites open to all EVs . So perhaps you guys are a bit behind the curve.

all plug in - Electric - mcb100
I think we’re at the ‘beta testing’ phase of opening up the Tesla network.
I don’t think there are any hardware changes that need making, since cables and plugs are universal, so I’d suspect it’s a case of monitoring demand from non-Tesla owners and working out how to offer charging to everyone without overly hacking off those to whom they were sold as an exclusive network.

all plug in - Electric - sammy1

Opening up the Tesla charging network will be fine for the non Tesla drivers but when Tesla owners have to queue they will not be best pleased. The "method" of queueing for chargers seems to be a bit of a free for all and seems to only add to the stress of owning an EV. Just how many apps do you have to have to navigate your way around the charging network?

all plug in - Electric - mcb100
I can’t comment for anyone else, but I use Shell Recharge for 10,000+ charge points in the UK, plus Instavolt and PodPoint for a 50kW charger at my local LIDL.
all plug in - Electric - Bolt

Just how many apps do you have to have to navigate your way around the charging network?

No idea, but they still have to work properly to communicate to the chargers which I gather is a bigger problem than the amount of chargers installed, I read VW are way behind in software for there charging systems..?

all plug in - Electric - mcb100
The only thing I’ve heard about VW’s that have a 22kW AC charging capability is a couple of instances of them burning out an onboard charger (not to be confused with the box you’re plugged into) when drawing 22kW.
all plug in - Electric - badbusdriver
The only thing I’ve heard about VW’s that have a 22kW AC charging capability is a couple of instances of them burning out an onboard charger (not to be confused with the box you’re plugged into) when drawing 22kW.

Not specifically re charging, but the software for their infotainment certainly seems to have had (possible still does) more than its fair share of problems.