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Tyre noise - tread pattern...road surface....rubber hardness - John F

Now I'm old, comfort is top priority. When choosing tyres, noise level comes first. But owing to the odd way of measuring noise (logarithmic), and the difficulty of consistency and influence of variabilities makes it difficult to get an idea of how much more noisy one tyre is than another on looking at the charts. Apparently the noise is officially measured outside the car when rolling, presumably at the same speed on the same surface. But noise is generated by all sorts of different types of vibration and it could be argued that some might produce a rumbling or droning inside the car which might not be detected outside.

Also, road surfaces are very different. I've noticed the Goodyear vector 4 seasons on our Peugeot 2008 drone a bit on some surfaces, but are quiet on others. On the horrible concrete sections of the M25 I doubt if there is any difference between any tyre!

Clearly the consistency of the tyre material is relevant. Perhaps a measure of hardness might be more helpful as hard rubber will obviously be noisier than rubber. So when replacement time comes, which to choose? Are 'all seasons' tyres quieter than 'normal' tyres? Having them is not that important because we don't go out much in bad weather; snow and ice is now a rarity where we live, and we've managed perfectly well without them until the last very few years.

Tyre noise - tread pattern...road surface....rubber hardness - FiestaOwner
Clearly the consistency of the tyre material is relevant. Perhaps a measure of hardness might be more helpful as hard rubber will obviously be noisier than rubber. So when replacement time comes, which to choose? Are 'all seasons' tyres quieter than 'normal' tyres? Having them is not that important because we don't go out much in bad weather; snow and ice is now a rarity where we live, and we've managed perfectly well without them until the last very few years.

When I had my Hyundai i20 I fitted Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons (possibly Gen2?) to it. With those tyres it droned all the time on all surfaces. It was fine with the Original Michelin Energy tyres.

The Crossclimate+'s on my Ibiza are silent when new, but after many thousand miles they start to drone (sounds like wheel bearings are away). Fitting new set of Crossclimate+'s stopped the noise.

However, I seem to recall that your 2008 came with "Grip Control" as standard. Part of the "Grip Control" Spec is All Weather tyres. You seem to be suggesting fitting "Summer" tyres as you don't feel your use merits All Seasons tyres.

For insurance purposes are you allowed to de-rate your tyres to summer tyres when the manufactures original spec was All Seasons?? Asking this as Insurance companies used to class fitting Winter Tyres as a modification.

Tyre noise - tread pattern...road surface....rubber hardness - Big John

I'm not sure it's just an all season thing. I've tried a few now on different cars:- Quatrac 5's lasted ages but had a distinctive noise, Crossclimates lovely and quiet(my favourites) and finally Vector gen 2 jury still out but not noticeably quieter.

For refinement in my Superb the Crossclimates have been the best by some margin. Possibly not as quiet after 35k miles but that could be VAG independent suspension rear tyre sawtooth wear patterns.

Edited by Big John on 14/11/2022 at 09:32

Tyre noise - tread pattern...road surface....rubber hardness - RT

Many tyres change their noise characteristics as the tread wears - some get noisier, some get quieter others just change the noise frequency.

"age-related hearing loss" does have it's advantages !!!

Tyre noise - tread pattern...road surface....rubber hardness - Theophilus

"age-related hearing loss" does have it's advantages !!!

I hear you (!)... but most of us with age-related hearing loss find that it is the high-frequency tones that we lose - so the low-frequency rumbles can sound even more noticeable.

Tyre noise - tread pattern...road surface....rubber hardness - gordonbennet

The winter set that goes onto our Forester are quiet generally but make a whining noise on some surfaces, you'd swear there was a wheel bearing on the way out, its really notiecable as you slow for a junction in town when the sound reflects off buildings, on the plus side being 1" smaller diameter wheel (approved size) with higher aspect ratio the ride is much better.

I've scrapped tyres before for excess road noise, which is usally accompanied by a hard ride, a set of Toyos and a set of Fuldas.

Tyre noise - tread pattern...road surface....rubber hardness - Alby Back
Winter tyres are generally noisier than summer ones. I’ve just put my winter set back on my car this weekend and I noticed the low frequency drone from them immediately. But, after about 5 minutes of driving I forgot to notice it and will be pleasantly surprised by its absence come the the Spring I suppose.
Same with the bike racks on the roof, I don’t hear them at all until I take them off and realise how noisy they must have been.
If you see what I mean?
Tyre noise - tread pattern...road surface....rubber hardness - Engineer Andy

The noise is obviously related to the tyre compund, but winter and to a lesser extent, all-season tyres are made of a softer compund and the tread blocks are designed to move more than summer ones because that's how they work well in snow.

What often makes at least as much of a difference to the noise level and comfort is the tread pattern type - asymmetric sumer tyres will be quiter than directional ones, and as most (though not all) all-season and winter tyres are directional, this offsets some of the sound deadening of the softer compound.

What also makes a difference is how many cars these days have lower profile tyres than 10-15+ years ago, and as a result many of them also have a very limited number of tyres (especially if the tyre size is unusal, as many now are), often performance tyres only, which are noisier the 'standard' tyres of the same size.

I changed my Mazda's OEM tyres from 205/55 R16 Dunlops to 195/65 R15 CC+s, and the ride quality has certainly improved, and I'd say that the noise is about the same, as the Dunlops were actually good all-around.

I only changed because the alloys were corroding, causing tyre leaks and the cost of replacing 1No. alloy and 4No. 16in tyres (they were ,1yr from replacement anyway) was only £50 - £100 less than replacing all four tyres and alloys with 15in OEMs and the CC+s.

Both the CC+ and especially the Goodyear equivalent at the time were rated as low noise. I have driven mine on concrete, and its not too bad. The worst was from the awful OEM Bridgestone ER30s (summer asymmetric tyres) which got hard after about a year and later on were very noisy (especially on concrete and top-dressed surfaced roads) and terrible in the wet, despite having a decent amount of tread left.

Tyre noise - tread pattern...road surface....rubber hardness - Octane

At beginning of summer had 175/65R15 MI CRSCLIMATE 2 88H XL Fitted at 21k and can report much improved ride and reduction in noise after the standard Dunlops. The soft sidewalls may suit other small short wheelbase cars such as the jazz which has a dreadful ride in my opinion

Tyre noise - tread pattern...road surface....rubber hardness - Terry W

It seems most tyre tests report on the noise from new tyres.

Personally I want quiet and choose accordingly from a "quality" brand. With (say) 7mm of tread, the noise is very different to (say) 3mm.

Testing part worn tyres would be much more useful - tyres could be described as "new" for the first (say) 5000 miles, but for most of their life (~5-30000 miles) are part worn.

Probably wishful thinking.

Tyre noise - tread pattern...road surface....rubber hardness - Engineer Andy

It seems most tyre tests report on the noise from new tyres.

Personally I want quiet and choose accordingly from a "quality" brand. With (say) 7mm of tread, the noise is very different to (say) 3mm.

Testing part worn tyres would be much more useful - tyres could be described as "new" for the first (say) 5000 miles, but for most of their life (~5-30000 miles) are part worn.

Probably wishful thinking.

That would be useful - I actually suggested that to Jon from the tyre Reviews website. I also will only post my reviews there once the tyre is at least 3 years old and has done 10,000 miles.

That means this time around I'll be deferring that for a while, given my low mileage these last few years and the likely longevity of the current set.

At least the Tyre Reviews website has a 'driving style' indicator on each review as well as the mileage and specific car itself, which can be a guide to how close your experience might be. A good addition to the overall amalgamted ratings.

Tyre noise - tread pattern...road surface....rubber hardness - Engineer Andy

At beginning of summer had 175/65R15 MI CRSCLIMATE 2 88H XL Fitted at 21k and can report much improved ride and reduction in noise after the standard Dunlops. The soft sidewalls may suit other small short wheelbase cars such as the jazz which has a dreadful ride in my opinion

I wonder if mine also have more of a noise reduction because they are of the non-XL variety, as they are 'H' rated (91) tyres (a 'V' rated version is available which is 94XL).

As you say, some cars like the Jazz (especially the first gen car) that have a firm ride, possibly because it reduces body roll from a not-so-good handling ability. I've also noticed that some similar cars also come equipped with wide-ish, low profile tyres to also help grip/handling.

The softer compound of A/S tyres may help the ride, but perhaps make the handling not so good. Similarly with softer sidewall summer tyres, like the 1st gen Goodyear EfficientGrip Performance.

I was lucky that I had some experience in a near identical Mazda3 (a workplace pool car) to my own that was shod on 195/65 R15 tyres rather than my OEM 205/55 R16s, and the ride quality was noticeably better, with almost no degredation in handling ability.

The combo of narrower, higher sidewall tyres and them being A/S has meant I could postpone replacing the springs/dampers for longer, as well as having a nicer ride and better cold weather grip.