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Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - Theophilus

I seem to read every couple of weeks HJ’s advice on tyre pressures, and the comment that he runs his at reduced cold pressures “because, as the tyres heat up in use, the air inside expands and the pressures increase by about 2 - 3 PSI.”

Yes, tyre pressure does rise by 2-3 PSI on a journey, but surely this is why manufacturers advice that one should check tyre pressures cold … and the recommended pressure has already taken this rise in pressure into account.

Running tyres consistently below the vehicle & tyre manufacturer’s recommendation will only cause the tyres to wear more rapidly and possibly have an adverse effect on the road-holding.

Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - RT

I'm with you on that - both tyre and car manufacturers have put a lot of effort into determining the optimum pressure and translation that to cold, ie ambient, temperatures

Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - Ethan Edwards

On the contrary. I run at an intermediate pressure. More than the minimum but less than the maximum recommended for when fully loaded. About half way.

Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - Bolt

On the contrary. I run at an intermediate pressure. More than the minimum but less than the maximum recommended for when fully loaded. About half way.

In my area it wont matter what tyre pressures you have as long as they are within OEM specs, as the roads are so bad and hardly any resurfacing has been done, I do not expect my tyres to last longer than they do

and has been the same for a long time in that I cannot remember any tyres lasting longer than 25k and that's rears, fronts 15-18k not just Hondas either, Fords and Toyota have been the same!

Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - CHarkin

Over a period of time and after tyres have done a couple of thousand miles you can tell if they are running at the correct pressure. Tyre ware should be even across the tread, if there is less tread depth in the centre they have been run over inflated and if they have greater tread depth the outside they have been under inflated. Adjusting pressures by a LB or two can increase tyre life and give the maximum grip. The extreme outer edges can ware more if the car is cornered hard but thats nothing to do with pressure.

I do actually check the tread depth a few times over the life of my tyres and tweak the pressures if needed and by and large when they are done they are evenly worn.

Edited by CHarkin on 12/09/2019 at 23:01

Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - catsdad
HJ also used to regularly recommend running Michelin CCs (Cross climates) at lower pressures. I raised this with him direct as CCs are rated XL and so should be run at a pound or two higher pressures than standard tyres. Its not much and probably doesn't matter if you run them at standard pressure but to run at even lower than standard may be inadvisable.

HJ didn't agree at the time but I think he has since stopped specifically recommending lower pressures for CCs.

Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - madf
HJ also used to regularly recommend running Michelin CCs (Cross climates) at lower pressures. I raised this with him direct as CCs are rated XL and so should be run at a pound or two higher pressures than standard tyres. Its not much and probably doesn't matter if you run them at standard pressure but to run at even lower than standard may be inadvisable. HJ didn't agree at the time but I think he has since stopped specifically recommending lower pressures for CCs.

I bought CCs last March and always run at maker's standard recommended pressures..

Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - Will deBeast

Over a period of time and after tyres have done a couple of thousand miles you can tell if they are running at the correct pressure. Tyre ware should be even across the tread, if there is less tread depth in the centre they have been run over inflated and if they have greater tread depth the outside they have been under inflated. ...

This is what I do.

As an extreme example, I ran my landcruiser tyres at 36psi (against the toyota recommendation of 29). I also rotate the tyres. When I traded in my landcruiser with 40,000 miles on the tyres the salesman commented that the tyres looked like new. I didn't tell him that they'd started with 11mm of tread.

My current sorento is run at 35psi, against a kia recommendation of 33psi. Again rotated regularly. All tyres are even at 30,000 miles.

Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - gordonbennet
I ran my landcruiser tyres at 36psi (against the toyota recommendation of 29). I also rotate the tyres.

Same here, car handles much more nimbly at 35/36psi, the tyres squirm too much at 29psi especially in the summer, but then the OE tyres were pure road spec so 29 is probably ok for them, once you fit AT's of any description, even mild AT's, those block treads need a bit more pressure unless off-road.

Has the Sorento been a win for you WdB? On top of the caravan duties etc? No problems?

Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - Will deBeast

Has the Sorento been a win for you WdB? On top of the caravan duties etc? No problems?

I still miss the LC from time to time - mainly when there is snow and/or floods around - or I fancy a play in the mud.

The Sorento is much easier to drive, has better headlights and the dog loves the AC in the boot. I shall be keeping it quite a bit longer.

Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - Andrew-T

Yes, tyre pressure does rise by 2-3 PSI on a journey, but surely this is why manufacturers advice that one should check tyre pressures cold … and the recommended pressure has already taken this rise in pressure into account.

Checking tyre pressures 'cold' is the only way to have a reliable basis for comparisons, as the amount a tyre heats up in use will depend on the owner's driving style and the duration of use. But 'cold' means 'ambient', which can also vary a good deal.

I am always surprised at how much a tyre's pressure - measured 'cold' - varies with ambient temperature. It's necessary to top up as winter arrives and things start to cool down naturally. One might imagine that Boyle's Law means that a drop of 10°C (in about 300°K) would cause a drop of 1psi in 30, but it aleays seems more than that.

Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - focussed

I am always surprised at how much a tyre's pressure - measured 'cold' - varies with ambient temperature. It's necessary to top up as winter arrives and things start to cool down naturally. One might imagine that Boyle's Law means that a drop of 10°C (in about 300°K) would cause a drop of 1psi in 30, but it aleays seems more than that.

Where our Accord is parked, the nearside faces the south , the rhs is in shade.

So I try to check and adjust tyre pressures on a cloudy day.

If I check the tyre pressures after the sun has been on it, the LH tyre pressures are 1.5 to 2.0 psi higher than the RH, that's how much difference it makes.

Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - John F

I wonder if HJ's advice is to support the replacement wheel industry? I think it is essential to have tyres at or slightly above the recommended pressure when tested 'cold', i.e. 10degC or less in the shade. Any lower, especially with 'rubber band' type tyres, and you risk a dented wheel from a pothole.

Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - alan1302

I wonder if HJ's advice is to support the replacement wheel industry?

Unlikely - how does he benefit?

Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - RT

Yes, tyre pressure does rise by 2-3 PSI on a journey, but surely this is why manufacturers advice that one should check tyre pressures cold … and the recommended pressure has already taken this rise in pressure into account.

Checking tyre pressures 'cold' is the only way to have a reliable basis for comparisons, as the amount a tyre heats up in use will depend on the owner's driving style and the duration of use. But 'cold' means 'ambient', which can also vary a good deal.

I am always surprised at how much a tyre's pressure - measured 'cold' - varies with ambient temperature. It's necessary to top up as winter arrives and things start to cool down naturally. One might imagine that Boyle's Law means that a drop of 10°C (in about 300°K) would cause a drop of 1psi in 30, but it aleays seems more than that.

That's because tyre pressure are measured ABOVE normal pressure - so 30 psi measured is about 44.5 psi absolute pressure

Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - FP

"...tyre pressure are measured ABOVE normal pressure - so 30 psi measured is about 44.5 psi absolute pressure"

I keep re-reading this, but I still don't understand. Are you saying a pressure gauge doesn't actually measure the pressure in the tyre, but something else?

Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - mcb100
I think I understand - a flat tyre still has 1 bar (14.5psi) of air pressure in it, but a tyre pressure gauge will read zero. So when we inflate a tyre to 2 bar on the gauge, it’s 2 bar above atmospheric pressure of 1 bar.
Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - Andrew-T

I keep re-reading this, but I still don't understand. Are you saying a pressure gauge doesn't actually measure the pressure in the tyre, but something else?

The tyre gauge measures the difference in pressure between inside and outside the tyre. Outside is at 1 atmosphere pressure, roughly 14.5 psi, hence RT's figure of 44.5.

Of course we should be allowing for changes in atmospheric pressure, which varies between 14 and 15 psi. In poor weather it will be nearer 14, so the tyre pressure may appear to be higher - but the weather will likely be cooler, offsetting that. :-)

Edited by Andrew-T on 13/09/2019 at 12:31

Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - Manatee

The only time this matters is when you consider what happens to your tyre pressures when the temperature drops from say 24 degrees C in summer to 4 degrees C in winter. Pressure change is proportional to temperature change.

If you use absolute temperature (Kelvin) and absolute pressure (i.e. add atmospheric pressure to the recommended/gauge pressure you will get the right answer.

E.g. if you set the pressures at 24 degrees C to 30psi, and the temperature drops 20 degrees C to 4C.:

Pressure = 30+14.5=44.5psi

Temperature = 24+273 = 297

Kelvin

Temperature change to 4+273=277 K

Change in pressure is proportionate to change in temperature at constant volume (Gay-Lussac's law?)

so assuming also the same atmospheric pressure, new pressure is 44.5 * 277/297 = 41.5psi.

Take away the atmospheric pressure: 41.5-14.5 = 27psi.

So the difference in cold pressure between summer and winter can be c. 3psi which is enough to need adjusting for.


You can argue about whether the volume remains constant but I doubt if it changes much.

E&OE. I am neither a physicist nor a mathematician.

Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - Engineer Andy

To be honest, I always keep my tyres at the recommended pressures when I'm the only person in the car (and with no significant load in the boot, e.g. holiday stuff) and check them when the temperature is lower, especially when there's no direct sunlight on them artificially heating them up and raising the pressure.

As others have said, checking when 'cold' is the only reliable way to check, especially not after just stopping. I've found that (on my old set of tyres that were leaking due to corroding alloy wheels) lower pressures (even just by 2psi) can result in a smoother ride, but when my old set had leakage problems, they wore on the edges more quickly as a result.

I'd also rather not take the increased risk of blowouts (admitedly the risk probably increases far more if they are underinflated by a lot more than just 2psi) as well as greater wear. The same can be said for over-inflation - you may gain the odd mpg and a bit lighter steering (less strain on the power steering pump or motor) at slow speeds, but at the cost of tyre wear down the centre and a firmer ride.

I only pump mine up a small amount (1psi, rears only) when I go on holiday with a full load in the boot, to keep it the same balance as before, and would follow the car's handbook for a completely full car and boot.

Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - FoxyJukebox

Does this really matter unless of course you are driving a highly loaded car

As long as the tyre is inflated to manufacturers recommendations then surely what's just as if not more important is whether the tyre is not actually losing pressure?

Any - Do you drop your tyre pressures - Engineer Andy

Does this really matter unless of course you are driving a highly loaded car

As long as the tyre is inflated to manufacturers recommendations then surely what's just as if not more important is whether the tyre is not actually losing pressure?

Bearing in mind most car handbooks give a huge difference (mine is well over 10psi) between the driver only in the car as load and 4 passengers plus a full boot-load of things, I'd say that some nuance is quite reasonable, taking into account the extent to which the car is loaded up and the distance to travel, as well as the outside temperature.

When I load up my car boot for my (self-catering) holiday, it is not only full, but is quite heavy, probably the equivalent to a person in weight, hence why I up the rears' pressure a tad, but not the fronts, as its only me in the car.

As shown above, just accounting for the variation between the external air temperature for summer and winter can make 3psi difference, and that doesn't take into account the effects of heating via direct sunlight, which in late spring and summer months can be considerable when compared to the effects of ambient air temperature alone.

Some people also advocate dropping tyre pressures about 10% when there's heavy snowfall, in order to get better grip. I've never done that myself, so maybe other backroomers can say, if they did, what effects were the result.