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Vauxhall Ast - Charge of defective brakes - rubber pedal cover - FraLec
In January I had an accident. It was pouring rain and my car span when coming off a roundabout. At the time the police said my brake pedal should have had a rubber cover and it did not. I wasn’t aware of this.

Today I have received notice that I have been charged for having defective brake - however the report from the police is inaccurate - particularly stating that my foot slipped on the brake when this is not the case and actually I tried to brake and the car just span - I think because of the weather and possible aquaplaining.

1. Is there any point pleading not guilty?

2. is there any chance that with mitigating circumstances - weather, not being aware about the need of a rubber pedal cover, inaccuracies in report and seven months pregnant at the time - that I will not receive the penalty points if I do plead guilty?
Vauxhall Ast - Charge of defective brakes - rubber pedal cover - RobJP
In January I had an accident. It was pouring rain and my car span when coming off a roundabout. At the time the police said my brake pedal should have had a rubber cover and it did not. I wasn’t aware of this. Today I have received notice that I have been charged for having defective brake - however the report from the police is inaccurate - particularly stating that my foot slipped on the brake when this is not the case and actually I tried to brake and the car just span - I think because of the weather and possible aquaplaining. 1. Is there any point pleading not guilty? 2. is there any chance that with mitigating circumstances - weather, not being aware about the need of a rubber pedal cover, inaccuracies in report and seven months pregnant at the time - that I will not receive the penalty points if I do plead guilty?

Not having a brake pedal cover is an MOT failure - so, no matter what exactly happened, you WERE driving a car with defective brakes at the time of the accident.

If you're claiming that it wasn't due to the brake pedal, but due to aquaplaning, then it could reasonably be said that you were driving without due care and attention, and you could find yourself facing additional prosecution on that basis (you should have been driving more slowly, given the weather conditions, therefore the standard of your driving fell below what would be described as 'reasonable'. If you'd been driving more slowly then you woulden't have aquaplaned)

See ? Be careful how far you push something. You could find yourself digging a bigger hole.

The penalty for driving with defective brakes is usually 3 points.

I'll finish with this, from a legal defence website :

Being ignorant of any vehicle defect is not a legally acceptable defence. If you claim to be unaware of any failings on you vehicle, it will not reduce your penalty. You are responsible for your vehicle and therefore it is expected that you carry out regular safety checks to ensure that your vehicle is safe and roadworthy. Don’t bury your head in the sand and just assume that your car is fine!

Vauxhall Ast - Charge of defective brakes - rubber pedal cover - FP

I assume the "defective brake" charge is because there was no rubber cover on the pedal. So whether your foot slipped or not is irrelevant. You can't get out of this by claiming the police report is inaccurate in a non-essential detail.

Not being aware of legal requirements is in effect ignorance of the law and this is never an excuse. As said above, non-essential details in the police report are irrelevant. The weather is not an excuse, since you are expected to be in control of your vehicle and to make allowances for poor driving conditions. And being pregnant is irrelevant - unless your capacity to observe and react accordingly is affected (as possibly it might be, as pregnancy can cause physical problems); in which case you are expected to exercise your judgment and not drive.

You won't be surprised to hear I think you have no chance of successfully disputing what you have been charged with.

I'm hugely sympathetic and understand where you're coming from, but that won't get you anywhere, I'm afraid.

What do others think?

Vauxhall Ast - Charge of defective brakes - rubber pedal cover - bathtub tom

Is a rubber brake pedal cover a retrospective requirement? What about lightweight, drilled pedals on competition cars used on the road?

Vauxhall Ast - Charge of defective brakes - rubber pedal cover - RobJP

Is a rubber brake pedal cover a retrospective requirement? What about lightweight, drilled pedals on competition cars used on the road?

They're fine. I believe what is required is that the pedal is 'slip-resistant', so drilled, faced pedals would meet this requirement.

Vauxhall Ast - Charge of defective brakes - rubber pedal cover - KJP 123

Is a rubber brake pedal cover a retrospective requirement? What about lightweight, drilled pedals on competition cars used on the road?

They're fine. I believe what is required is that the pedal is 'slip-resistant', so drilled, faced pedals would meet this requirement.

That was going to be my point; was it a pedal that had had a rubber that was now missing or one that had never had one?

I had a Renaultsport Clio that had drilled aluminium pedals with no rubbers as do some MX5s and other sporty cars. At one MOT the tester said he was going to fail it for having no rubbers until I pointed out that this was a standard feature on a car meeting EU standards. He seemed to accept that he was wrong and passed it.

Vauxhall Ast - Charge of defective brakes - rubber pedal cover - Avant

Sorry - I sympathise but I agree with Rob. You're better off with the charge you got. Even in pouring rain - assuming that your tyres were in good condition - you shouldn't have spun when coming out of a roundabout.

The police charge is possibly not the right one - you shouldn't have been braking either when coming out of a roundabout! - but best to stick with it I think.

Vauxhall Ast - Charge of defective brakes - rubber pedal cover - Gerry Sanderson

Agree wholeheartedly with Rob JP.

There is no stipulation under MV Con and Use Regs as to the covage of a brake foot pedal.

Unless the accident investigator made a detailed examination of the braking system and found defect to support an offence then I cannot see, on what stated so far, why CPS have authorised prosecution and issued a summons. If issued what is the actual offence and what outlined on statement of facts?. Is this other than defective brakes. S3 RTA 88?

dvd

Edited by Gerry Sanderson on 20/07/2018 at 11:45

Vauxhall Ast - Charge of defective brakes - rubber pedal cover - RobJP

Agree wholeheartedly with Rob JP.

There is no stipulation under MV Con and Use Regs as to the covage of a brake foot pedal.

Unless the accident investigator made a detailed examination of the braking system and found defect to support an offence then I cannot see, on what stated so far, why CPS have authorised prosecution and issued a summons. If issued what is the actual offence and what outlined on statement of facts?. Is this other than defective brakes. S3 RTA 88?

dvd

Ah, but there is a stipulation.

It is that brake pedals must be 'slip-resistant'. This is part of the MOT as well.

This is, in the vast majority of cars, dealt with by a rubber pedal cover. It can also, in the case of 'road race' pedals, be acheived by the use of drilled, cross-hatched or otherwise machined pedals whch meet the requirement to be 'slip-resistant'.

But if you've got the 'normal' pedal, with a missing pedal cover, then the car does not meet the legal requirements - and, just as if you had defective tyres, wipers, lights or anything else not in good working order, you have defective brakes, are driving a car unlawfully, and can expect to get prosecuted for it if caught.

Vauxhall Ast - Charge of defective brakes - rubber pedal cover - Gerry Sanderson

Dont agree that assumption Rob.

Had the charge been parts and accessories in such condition as likely to cause danger then may be. Where does the brake lever foot pedal play its part in the efficiency of the brakes surely that is at the hub.

Could it be that you are saying because a brake warning bulb is out then the brake is defective? Daft I know but this was the assumption a certain county Inspector circ 60's I knew had.

Chapter and verse please re slip resistance in law mon ami s'il vouse plait.......

But there again eating an apple while stationary at lights held not to bein proper control mon dieu!!!!!!!!

As stated would be interested in what the actual offence is on the summons

dvd.

Vauxhall Ast - Charge of defective brakes - rubber pedal cover - FP

I'm wondering if "defective brakes" could be understood to apply to the whole braking system, from point of physical contact with the driver through to the wheels; in which case the pedal and its facing could be part of it.