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Any - Choice and options - squij

One thing that really annoys me nowadays with new cars is that buyers have very little or no choice when it comes to basic equipment. Options lists are often vast and comprehensive but fail to address features of the car that potential owners would not welcome but have to put up with willy-nilly, as they are just foisted on us with no way of configuring the car to our own preferences. The reason given is always that assembly lines cannot be stopped or adjusted to suit individual tastes in fitments, but in the age of robots and computer-aided manufacture this argument doesn't hold water, particularly since manufacturers' websites encourage us to configure or customise or build the cars to our own specifications - ha, ha! Some examples: I find the Peugeot 2008 a very attractive car, the more so since I have been buying Peugeots for more than forty years but I shan't buy this one because I find the steering wheel and instrument set-up crazy, so that's a deal-breaker; but I can't have normal instruments as an option. The salesman says I'd get used to this I-Cockpit, but I don't want a car that I have to get used to. Similarly, some cars that I fancy have electric parking brakes, which I also don't want, but I couldn't get a normal brake, unless in some cases I chose a lesser specification. Other desirable features are available only as part of a bigger package that contains things I wouldn't find attractive. Skoda used to have a very good system whereby you could buy a base model and then spec it up as you desired, from a list of very useful options, but since they changed the ranges and upped their prices by about 20% they too have restricted options mainly to expensive packages. And don't even mention spare tyres!

Thanks for reading this complaint: I had to get it off my chest.

Any - Choice and options - RobJP

To go by your examples, I can't think of a single car where an electric parking brake is available on some models, but a 'standard' handbrake is on others.

Unfortunately, times move on, and all we can do is move with them.

Or maybe you feel people should be able to choose cars without airbags as standard ? Or without ABS brakes ?

In all seriousness though, I must admit, I do agree with you. We moved from rustbucket cars of the 70s through to very well built cars of the late 90s, early 00's. (think of that generation Audi, VW, Skoda cars).

Unfortunately, the manufacturers figured out that if you build a car too well, then people buy fewer new cars. So they've made systems more digital and delicate to get away from that, and to force buyers into what I call 'e-fear' changing.

Any - Choice and options - NARU

In all seriousness though, I must admit, I do agree with you. We moved from rustbucket cars of the 70s through to very well built cars of the late 90s, early 00's. (think of that generation Audi, VW, Skoda cars).

This is why I switched to Japanese cars. I think about trading my landcruiser in every 18 months or so, but never actually do it - it may be a lumbering old dinosaur - but it is completely reliable and servicing is cheap.

No DMF. No DPF. No DSG. No electronic handbrake. No Adblue to worry about.

The downside is highish road tax, and only 29-30mpg.

Edited by Marlot on 19/01/2016 at 15:09

Any - Choice and options - gordonbennet

To go by your examples, I can't think of a single car where an electric parking brake is available on some models, but a 'standard' handbrake is on others.

C5 mk 2 2008 on, if you wanted hydraulic suspension, and if you're going to have a proper sized Citroen then that suspension is the main reason, you had to have an EPB to go with it, steel springs you got a handbrake.

I can only agree with the OP, don't buy what they tell you you must have, and i agree with your description of the sweet spot in car designs Rob.

Quite happy keeping my 90's designed cars going for many years to come, if i'm still alive and kicking when the supply of proper cars eventually dries up i'll probably revert to a Hilux again or import a 70 series Landcruiser still made up until last year.

Any - Choice and options - Avant

Have a closer look at the Skoda Fabia. You can have it as a hatch or an estate, and you can still get a basic model (the S) and spec it up - but if you want some of the extras, it's usually cheaper to go for the next model up (the SE). It has a proper handbrake and a spare wheel is an option for under £100.

Any - Choice and options - RobJP

Many thanks for that, gordon. Probably the only car to do such a thing ? I've never heard of any others.

Any - Choice and options - jc2

It all depends-if I order with non-standard options,I wait three months.I would rather take the standard specification and get my next car in days.

Any - Choice and options - Ian_SW

The last Astra had the electric parking brake as an option for a while in its early years. If you had a base spec car you got a proper handbrake, and models from SRi upwards got an electric one.

This changed at the facelift in 2012 when all models were then upgraded to having a proper handbrake lever! Presumably Vauxhall were getting so many warranty claims on the electric parking brake they decided to get rid of it as they could with no real modification to the base car.

Any - Choice and options - Smileyman

Agree with OP - look at Nissan, this time of year the heated seat is a great option - only if you buy the top spec car with leather upholstery - I don't want / need / like 17" fancy wheels - well buy the basic model only then. (Other manufacturers are also just as guilty)

Any - Choice and options - RobJP

I can say for definite that you can spec absolutely any 1 series / 3 series with heated seats, whether the ES 'base' spec-type, SE, Msport, or any other spec name they may be doing, and spec it as a single option.

Many years ago, all Subaru Impreza's arrived in the UK as a standard spec, and Prodrive installed heated seats, leather, etc. before they went out to the dealerships. They even did some of the 'special edition' colours in the Prodrive plant.

Any - Choice and options - concrete

I do have some sympathy with the OP. It should be a simple process to spec a car, within reason (airbags etc) to what you want. Problem comes at selling time. If all cars are different then how do you value them? I dare say some genius could work out a formulae. I do get miffed though when looking at a possible car to buy and find it comes with a sunroof as standard. b***** standard, b***** sunroofs. If ever there is a more useless piece of kit I have yet to come across it. About as much use as a one legged man in an ar*e kicking contest!! Yet some models are not available without them. In that case no deal from me. But the same applies to other kit. I am sure others have particular hates and loves when it comes to it.

Ah well. At least I have the choice, take it or leave it.

Cheers Concrete

Any - Choice and options - Mike H

I am sure others have particular hates and loves when it comes to it.

Privacy glass is my pet hate, although it seems a number of manufacturers now make it an option rather than bundling it in with more useful stuff, so perhaps they are listening to the consumer. It's a marmite thing it seems, you either love it or hate it.

Edited by Mike H on 20/01/2016 at 18:13

Any - Choice and options - squij

Thanks, everyone, for your replies to my original letter. Your comments were all fair and much appreciated, apart from the OP bit! Mind you, I do tend to go on about wonderful Peugeot 404s and 504s .........

Any - Choice and options - focussed

I do have some sympathy with the OP. It should be a simple process to spec a car, within reason (airbags etc) to what you want. Problem comes at selling time. If all cars are different then how do you value them? I dare say some genius could work out a formulae. I do get miffed though when looking at a possible car to buy and find it comes with a sunroof as standard. b***** standard, b***** sunroofs. If ever there is a more useless piece of kit I have yet to come across it. About as much use as a one legged man in an ar*e kicking contest!! Yet some models are not available without them. In that case no deal from me. But the same applies to other kit. I am sure others have particular hates and loves when it comes to it.

Ah well. At least I have the choice, take it or leave it.

Cheers Concrete

I'll agree with you about sunroofs - But I think you and me are about the only people in the world who don't like them!

Any - Choice and options - gordonbennet

I like sunroofs and fortunately they are fitted to all our cars, two on the Scooby..:-), not bothered about aircon rather breathe real air than refrigerated, and absolutely detest that fully auto junk they laughingly call climate control.

Any - Choice and options - RobJP

Squij, OP is 'original poster', the person who started the thread.

Just in case you thought it meant something less kindly : )