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Volkswagen Golf and Seat Leon diesels - Volkswagen emissions defeat devices - StephenH

I have a Seat Leon 1598cc diesel first registered in May 2013, type approval e9*2007/46*0094*04. My daughter has a Volkswagen Golf with a similar diesel engine, first registered June 2014. I was expecting them both to be subject to the recall, but on checking the manufacturer's websites with the VIN numbers both vehicles are NOT subject to the recall. I was most surprised. Can anyone explain this? Both are DSG automatics. It seems we will both be missing out on compensation that could be in the order of £2k!

Volkswagen Golf and Seat Leon diesels - Volkswagen emissions defeat devices - RobJP

Let me get this right.

You've checked if your cars are affected, and they aren't. So instead of being grumpy about that, you're grumpy about ther fact that you MIGHT not be getting compensation.

And just where do you get this magical figure of £2k from anyway ?

Volkswagen Golf and Seat Leon diesels - Volkswagen emissions defeat devices - StephenH

Let me get this right.

You've checked if your cars are affected, and they aren't. So instead of being grumpy about that, you're grumpy about ther fact that you MIGHT not be getting compensation.

And just where do you get this magical figure of £2k from anyway ?

Well, I'm wondering if VW are evading sorting the emissions on EU5 engines on some technicality like the defeat device is there but not switched on, and actually the NOx emissions are just as bad as the vehicles which has the defeat device switched on.

Regarding compensation, buyers havering between diesel and petrol engines will mostly choose petrol now, diesels especially VW diesels, will become more difficult to sell leading to lower trade in prices. Owners who have their ECU software changed will find their mpg/performance down by about 10% (according to American research which compared power/economy on the dynometer - front wheels only rolling - with power/enconomy though the same tests with all four wheels rolling). This can come to quite a sum in fuel over the years and a reduced driving experience. Then some vehicles may have to pay £50 a year for Adblue if urea is necessary to fix the emissions. As a (retired) solicitor I would certainly ask £2k per car.

Volkswagen Golf and Seat Leon diesels - Volkswagen emissions defeat devices - RobJP

As a solicitor you'd be earning money from your clients. Doesn't mean your expectations or your claim would be realistic, and not laughed out of court.

The initial drop in prices from VAG diesels appears to have been 3-5% over what the market in general was going through. However, that's from a knee-jerk reaction from fleets and private buyers, which will probably be mollified over the next few months, especially if VAG dealerships start offering decent deals on cars.

However, that loss would only be realised on selling the car. So, going by all that, you could only really claim that money from VAG as and when you did sell the car, and actually could definitely say what the loss (over and above the expected depreciation) had been. Even then, a court may well turn around and say that you expect depreciation when owning a car, and, unless you could prove that the value of the car after a few years of ownership was the driving factor in your initial purchase, then you had no 'reasonable expectations' of what the eventual value would be. Furthermore, if you'd owned the car for (say) 4 years, that £2k figure (which is composed of the financial loss in value, the adblue costs and any other sums) would equate to less than £10 per week.

Finally, as HJ pages have pointed out, the 'cheat' software ONLY runs when the car is undergoing tests, and the ECU detects that. The cheat software DOES NOT operate during normal driving. So your claims of a 'reduced driving experience' would, on that basis, be thrown out of court, probably to the sound of laughter.

You have said that you have checked if your cars are affected, and they are not. You sound grumpy about it. If I can make a terrible generalisation about the worst type of solicitors, maybe you thought a nice little payday was coming your way (a la "where there's blame, there's a claim"), and have now found out that isn't the case.

I may well be wrong. If so I apologise. But that's what it reads like to me.

Volkswagen Golf and Seat Leon diesels - Volkswagen emissions defeat devices - Railroad.

I've just entered the VIN of my 2015 Skoda Octavia 1.6TDi into the check section of the Skoda website, and our car is not affected. Probably because it has a EU6 compliant engine.

Volkswagen Golf and Seat Leon diesels - Volkswagen emissions defeat devices - skidpan

It seems we will both be missing out on compensation that could be in the order of £2k!

What a disgusting money grabbing attitude. You should be pleased that neither of your cars has an issue and thus continue to enjoy the cars.

Did you buy them with the expectation of getting compensation in 2 years time, of course not, you were simply hoping to jump on the much discussed compensation bandwagon which may never exist.

As I said, totally disgusting.