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EU Tyre Labels, of value? - Leif

As some of you know, I recently had an interesting experience with tyres. Anyway, as a result I looked into the EU tyre labels. I bought some tyres based on the label as I foolishly assumed the ratings were both accurate and useful. Some thoughts:

1) The noise rating is for the noise as measured outside of the car. The noise is measured by the tyre maker, so they choose the car. The noise level will depend on the nature of the materials around the tyre and their shape. So, lots of room there for the tyre maker to change the measured value. Even lowering the car may change the result! And it tells you nothing about the noise level inside the car!

2) Dry grip. Nope. Not even mentioned.

3) Wet grip. This is a measure of the breaking efficiency in a straight line. That's it. No test of cornering.Of value perhaps, but only a small part of the picture.

4) Grip while cornering. Nope, not even mentioned.

5) Handling. Nope, not mentioned.

6) Economy. Ah, this might be useful. I say might, cos I'm just an uninformed bystander and I cannot really comment much.

So, in summary, the measured values are:

a) Measured by the tyre maker.

b) Can be 'improved' by the measurement method.

c) Ignore very important aspects of tyre performance.

Might we be surprised if the less scrupulous makers purposefully design tyres which give good EU label values, but which in the real world are awful?

In my opinion these EU tyre labels are not only not of use, they are worse than useless i.e. they are potentially dangerous, and may increase tyre related accidents.

Thoughts, comments?

EU Tyre Labels, of value? - skidpan

They are at best a guide but the way a tyre works on different cars can never be measured.

In the real world at normal speeds all tyres are fine but its when the going gets tricky that you find out if yours are any good.

As for dry grip, in 41 years of driving I have never had a skid or even felt my tyres loosing grip on a dry road and I don't hang about. In the wet its obviously different but if you drive sensibly you should not have issues.

With regards to braking things have changed greatly since ABS became available. If its working you should not have a skid.

EU Tyre Labels, of value? - gordonbennet

Well researched Leif.

I've long been an advocate of good tyres, not necessarily the premium makes though if they're well priced why not, but by buying as good a product as you can whilst being sensible in the outlay, i've had disappointments with premium makes and pleasure from mid range, and my family's and my own experience of cheap unknowns has always been disappointing.

I'm not paying for racing car sponsorship nor advertising campaigns if i can help it, i usually end up with middle of the road products made in Europe, my usual makes of choice are Vredestein, Nokian, Uniroyal, but i found General UHP's to offer superb grip for general use on my Hilux and currently Hankook AT's are doing the business on my Landcruiser...i shyed away from Nokian AT's for it because it's not their natural market and on the LC forum the Hankooks have been given fair reviews, but its always a bit of a gamble till you try them yourself, they'd better be good it'll be the only set it gets, with 12mm tread depth they'll probably see the vehicle (and me) out.

I tried a set of cheapies that had good reviews on the Merc last year, it was an experiment to see if my prejudices were really just that, they started out well but with still 7mm of tread on them they provided me with two unprovoked but easily controlled (RWD) oversteers...you know all about those Leif..:-)..and they came off the second their replacement Uniroyals arrived from Germany, prejudice or not, never again.

I do take notice of the EU labelling if i know the maker is of good repute, some of the newer entrants to the western tyre market i take with a pinch of salt...not through prejudice but by many hours spent perusing tyre review sites and european tyre tests where the results are often at odds with the claims.

You have to use some care when using some review sites, sometimes there appears to be a pattern of positive reviews in short order. TyreReviews is good becuase you can judge the review on its merits if the reviewer goes into details (also a good source of euro tyre tests), the TyreTest site is on a 1 to 5 star scoring basis with very few worded assessments, whilst a valuable source of info it's not so easy to judge the reviewer especially when its obvious some of the replies have the star system back to front.

It's like anything else, time spent researching before buying is seldom wasted, it might seem over the top to those who think tyres are just smelly round black things but last time i looked they were the only thing touching the road and i wish that to continue to be the case.

Sorry i've gorn on rather a lot again.

EU Tyre Labels, of value? - Hamsafar

Some of the expensive Vredestein tyres get terrible EU ratings.

The original requirement was for a rolling resistance/ energy saving label - but the industry complained that rolling resistance was an opposing conflict with wet braking performace and noise, so these were included in the label.

I don't understand why D is never awarded on the grades of A - G but is displayed on the label. It makes me want to avoid C and go for B as it perhaps the C should have been awarded the missing D.

Edited by Hamsafar on 08/06/2015 at 19:13

EU Tyre Labels, of value? - Leif
The original requirement was for a rolling resistance/ energy saving label - but the industry complained that rolling resistance was an opposing conflict with wet braking performace and noise, so these were included in the label.

That explains a lot!

EU Tyre Labels, of value? - Leif

I've long been an advocate of good tyres, not necessarily the premium makes though

I never paid much attention to tyres, until recently. I will be taking the advice of people such as you more seriously now.

I'm not paying for racing car sponsorship nor advertising campaigns if i can help it,

A good point.

I do take notice of the EU labelling if i know the maker is of good repute,

Fair point.

You have to use some care when using some review sites,

Yes, I am sceptical of review sites. After all, I can post a review, and what do I know about tyres? Almost nowt. I can spot a useless tyre, but that's about all.

Sorry i've gorn on rather a lot again.

Never mind, you made some interesting points.

EU Tyre Labels, of value? - Wackyracer

You have to use some care when using some review sites,

I'm sceptical if I read reviews and there are no negatives, I once posted a negative review and for good reason, In under 2 weeks my review had disappeared. I later found out that suppliers could ask to have negative reviews removed which negates the point of having a review site if people are only allowed to post positive reviews.

EU Tyre Labels, of value? - Leif
Don't get me started on CheckABodger, RatedBodger and other trade lists ...
EU Tyre Labels, of value? - gordonbennet
Don't get me started on CheckABodger, RatedBodger and other trade lists ...

I've heard lots of radio ads for these things, one in particular, there must be a lot of money around for saturation advertising which begs one to ask, where's the revenue coming from...it couldn't be an advertising agency simply advertising could it, perish the thought..:-)

EU Tyre Labels, of value? - Leif
These companies are little more than advertising lists. The trade pays the agency, either a yearly fee, or a fee for each job. The terms and conditions are weighted in favour of the trade, not you. Some of the trades are okay, some aren't. Some are clowns. You do best to ask neighbours and friends for good trades. A good trade has a waiting list, and does not need to pay CheckABodger to get work.
EU Tyre Labels, of value? - S40 Man

I am a fan of the EU tyre labelling. If job public turns up at tyre fitters needing a tyre what info or research will they have done? The eu rating is at least some info. An A or B wet grip tyre has got to be better than an E rated tyre. Before all you had to go on was fitters recommendation brand and price.

I always now buy A wet grip rated then look at fuel rating, currently Goodyear efficient grip performance. Used to get continental which now seen expensive for rate scored.