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BMW X3 - Family Car - fauves

Hi all,
We are a family of four (children aged 11 & 8), with a new addition to the family on the way next year. We are currently driving a Mercedes C Class saloon which we have had for the last 6 years but no longer suits our needs. Therefore, we would like some help finding something new.

The most important things we would like to change about our current car are:

- boot (we need slightly bigger, and ability to transport two small dogs)
- more cabin space
- higher driving position
- more off-road ability and snow driving capability
- better fuel efficiency

In terms of boot, we don't need massive, just enough space for shopping/buggy and occasionally dog transportation.

Cabin space increase is not saying much really as the C Class hasquite limited legroom and headroom and most family cars seem larger these days.

Higher driving position is more as I am tall (6' 3) and want to sit a bit higher in my seat. Off road and snow driving ability doesn't necessarily mean 4x4 as we don't live up a rubble track or anything (very small lanes and lots of reversing, but not much off road), it's just the C Class is totally useless, particularly in the snow as it is RWD. We live high in the hills of Monmouthshire so likely to get a fair bit of snow. I assume we can get past that with snow socks or winter tyres?

Better fuel efficiency would be nice as the C Class is a bit of a gas guzzler. We would definitely consider converting to LPG also so a larger boot to accomodate this would be good I assume.

We like the look of Yeti, X3, A4 estate, 3 series touring to give you an idea. Basically, is there anything we are overlooking in this area and which would you go for of the few mentioned? Would it be worth going for an X3 with greater mileage over a newer Yeti? Our upper budget is between £15,000 (phew) and £25,000 (begrudglingly). What do you reckon?

BMW X3 - Family Car - Avant

Welcome to the forum. You live in a lovely part of the world!

Of your list the Yeti and X3 will give you more space than a C-class but the A4 and 3-series very little more, even in Avant / Touring form. If I were you I'd be looking at the Ford S-Max and Skoda Superb estate (both have acres of room, and you know how much space babies take up!) as well as the Yeti and X3, and you could add the Honda CR-V if you would prefer the SUV type of vehicle. You could also look at a Freelander although some of them can give expensive trouble. Yeti and CR-V would be my top two.

Winter or all-season tyres should see you through snow and ice, so 4wd isn't essential (but you can have it with the Yeti and CR-V) . Also think whether you should go for petrol or diesel, depending on your annual mileage.

Edited by Avant on 30/09/2013 at 00:50

BMW X3 - Family Car - daveyjp
I'd consider an MPV as you get the headroom. Friends who had their third child last year had to change their X5 as the boot wasn't large enough.

They went all out and bought a VW Caravelle!
BMW X3 - Family Car - fauves

Cheers for the reply! I thought as much with the A4 and 3-series, probably just what we've got with a marginally larger boot. I think the S-Max and Superb are perhaps a little large (sounds ridiculous saying that) but we live on a very narrow lane and a few inches width make a lot of difference. I think the Yeti is a fair bit narrower? I am definitely coming around to the idea of the Yeti, test drive time perhaps.

BMW X3 - Family Car - SteveLee

Unless you can stretch your budget to the second generation X3 - forget it - the first one was rubbish.

I'd go for a Yeti and change to all-season tyres when those fitted wear out.

BMW X3 - Family Car - Happy Blue!

I agree with the Yeti suggestion. Or look at a left field choice of Subaru Forester with permanent 4x4.

With three children and requiring lots of room, the best MPV is the S-Max (I know I have one). You may need more room than you think.

BMW X3 - Family Car - gordonbennet

X3 isn't an off road biased vehicle, but is a nicer car than some think, would be a decent enough vehicle with winter tyres, but i'd be checking the tyre situation carefully in case its a run-flat shod car in which case all season or winter tyres will cost serious money.

LPG whilst its good as an alternative (we run two LPG'd cars) its not cheaply available in your area, in fact you've got some of the most expensive LPG in the country, unless the Countrywide site at Ross (account needed) is priced better...www.filllpg.co.uk/index.php?page=lpg.php , and remember you'll only have about a 200/250 mile range from a typical LPG tankful.

I second HB's Subaru suggestion but i'd look at Outback too for its extra boot room.

In your non industrialised area it might pay to buy into a make that you are best served with for car maintenance purposes, for example i have long stayed with older MB's because i have the service of the best and oldest established MB indy workshops nearby.

By the way, the right MB isn't an expensive car to run, a C or E class 220/250 cdi estate will be far better on fuel than you might think and go on for 400k miles without problems if maintained *properly* by a good indy, fitted with a set of winter tyres will go anywhere any other 2WD will go, but as its a standard large estate its not got the ground clearance you might want.

BMW X3 - Family Car - corax

Out of the Subaru's, either a Legacy Or Outback would be my choice. I have a Forester, which I love, but the boot is really quite small, not enough for a family.

Otherwise you are looking at Honda CRV, Yeti, Rav4, Qashqai, VW Tiguan, Hyundai ix35 e.t.c for cars with a higher driving position.

3 series touring is going to be just as bad in snow unless on winter tyres, A4 the same, but the quattro's obviously have much better grip and usually drive nicer than the two wheel drive models.

BMW X3 - Family Car - SteveLee

A few years ago I towed a stranded Audi S4 out of an icy car park in my two wheel drive saloon car - it's the tyres that matter in poor conditions - four wheel drive is an over-kill unless you genuinely need off road capability.

BMW X3 - Family Car - fauves

Thanks for the input. I had those concerns about LPG, we live near Trellech and drive into Monmouth for petrol and school, but I imagine our other most regular journeys are towards Hereford/Cardiff, so if there are LPG stations that way that would be useful. I just think we could do with saving some money if we can.

I think the ground clearance is probably important enough to warrant serious consideration, but we've never really encountered a situation (yet) where we were scraping the ground or anything.

BMW X3 - Family Car - gordonbennet

Morrisons, Rogerstone (Newport) and near Penarth, Asda, Pontprennau (Cardiff) are reasonably priced for LPG as you travel that way regularly, nothing competitive on the Hereford side, but do ask around likely people its a very rural area so someone might be operating a small 'club' of local LPG users out of a farm privately, not made available to all and sundry.

There is a gas converter in the Cardiff area, supposed to be cheap but i have no idea of the standards of work on offer...just thinking aloud here, is your present MB up to the task, does it have 5 years left in it, be critical, if so then it might be worth considering converting your present car, i'm assuming its petrol as you mention its heavy on fuel...MB's d take well to the conversion as do Subarus but Japanese cars can suffer with valve seat recession over time (flashlube dispenser helps here), toroidal tank in the spare wheel well leaving boot space unaffected.

BMW X3 - Family Car - RT

You have a dilemma - needing to accomodate 3 in the back but not wanting a wide vehicle - you made need to look at 3-row MPVs.

BMW X3 - Family Car - fauves

That seems like a possibility. Any recommendations?

BMW X3 - Family Car - SteveLee

That seems like a possibility. Any recommendations?

There's only one MPV - the Ford S-Max is quite simply the best MPV on the road. Fit and finish is excellent, ride quality and handling is superb (for the class) you can buy top-end models which go pretty well too. The badge will not impress the neighbours but it's the best family car which will fit three in the back with comfort.

Slightly smaller than the S-Max but even better to drive with three seats in the back is the Mazda CX-7. A sporty 4WD MPV which can be bought cheaply with the cracking Mazda 6 MPS turbo engine - a brilliant wolf in sheep's clothing. Hot hatch performance with room and practicality.

BMW X3 - Family Car - fauves

Thanks for the info. Present MB (petrol) is just over 100k mileage but the real problem is space as I think we're unlikely to fit comfortably into it once third child comes along.

BMW X3 - Family Car - fauves

Anyone have any opinions on Subaru Legacy Estate automatic? Probably quite important to mention both myself and my wife drive auto, as I know this doesn't suit all.

BMW X3 - Family Car - unthrottled

If you want the maximum space within the smallest possible floorpan size, do what everyone else does and get a FWD estate. There are many reasons that most cars are FWD but the most compelling one in your case is the economy of space. RWD/4X4 are space hogs.

A Golf/Octavia/Focus estate will suit your needs much better than the X3-which is just a lifestyle SUV. Don't let familiarity breed contempt; these cars are ubiquitous for good reason...

BMW X3 - Family Car - fauves

If you want the maximum space within the smallest possible floorpan size, do what everyone else does and get a FWD estate. There are many reasons that most cars are FWD but the most compelling one in your case is the economy of space. RWD/4X4 are space hogs.

A Golf/Octavia/Focus estate will suit your needs much better than the X3-which is just a lifestyle SUV. Don't let familiarity breed contempt; these cars are ubiquitous for good reason...

Thanks, really useful response. We like the Golf and Octavia estates - does anyone think the 5 series might be one to consider also, or will that be limited in terms of rear passenger room?

I have looked long and hard at the S-max but just can't get my head around it. Not keen on the interior finishes I've seen either but that is definitely just a shallow negative.

BMW X3 - Family Car - SteveLee

I suspect you are looking for excuses to not admit that you don't want to drive something with a Ford badge on the nose - in which case scrub it off the list and move on. You're the one who will end up paying far more for a car that won't suit your needs as much.

BMW X3 - Family Car - fauves

Partially agree, but I genuinely dislike the interiors of the cheaper models, and the higher end models seem to be pushing the budget a little. Having said that, we went and looked at the C-Max and Grand C-Max with nicer interior (Titanium X?) the other day and liked it. We also looked at the Freelander 2, which I feel is probably a snobs choice as it looks good and has a high end feel but doesn't have an enormous amount of space in rear seats or boot.

I think the S-Max is probably too big, but the Grand C-Max seems a good bet. Little worried by how few auto Grand C-Max's there seem to be about..

BMW X3 - Family Car - gordonbennet

Little worried by how few auto Grand C-Max's there seem to be about..

Could be the memories people have of their expired CVT boxes mated to the 1.6 Diesel engine (if my memory serves) as fitted in the previous C Max, cherished memories of their boxes failing dismally and of having no help whatsoever from the maker once warranty expired, no parts made available and new boxes cheap as chips at about £4k IIRC.

pages of reading here if you search, lots of us here make mental notes of which makers stand by their products, easily recalled as not too many names, and we also make notes of which makers don't...easier to remember those who do..:-)

You could do worse than Freelander 2, decent value now that the same car sports a designer frock and is the fashion item, Ewok.

BMW X3 - Family Car - unthrottled

oes anyone think the 5 series might be one to consider also, or will that be limited in terms of rear passenger room?

The 5 series is a fine albeit big car. You've already stated in your OP that the Skoda Superb is too big.

The luxury car segment usually performs poorly compared to the 'standard' sector when it comes to maximising cabin space for a given floorpan size. Luxury/performance cars give priority to refinement and handling dynamics which tend to intrude into passenger compartment space.

The other problem is that the rear bench of luxury cars tend to take the form of two sculpted seats with basically an arm rest in between. As the eldest of three children, take it from me, a flat bench is far superior when three rear passengers are expected to occupy the rear seat.

BMW X3 - Family Car - RT

Anyone have any opinions on Subaru Legacy Estate automatic? Probably quite important to mention both myself and my wife drive auto, as I know this doesn't suit all.

It's a CVT auto, not everyone's cup of tea - fuel consumption petrol or diesel isn't up to class averages, no doubt due to the excellent 4wd system.

The Outback is a Legacy Estate with 50mm (2") more ground clearance.

BMW X3 - Family Car - oldtoffee

3 kids, two dogs, kids clobber - you need a big car. If you're not up for a big 4x4 then its Superb or Mondeo estate or S-Max. I wish the S-Max had been around when I needed it and not the dullard but slightly competent Toyota Previa!

BMW X3 - Family Car - Ed V

Have I missed the other well regarded Japanese alternatives? Would not a Rav 4 be better than a Forester? Or an Avensis than a Mondeo (reliability and longevity primarily)?

I have noticed that Beemer's now do a 3 series hatchback thingy, with a slightly higher ride.

BMW X3 - Family Car - Bromptonaut

3 kids, two dogs, kids clobber - you need a big car. If you're not up for a big 4x4 then its Superb or Mondeo estate or S-Max. I wish the S-Max had been around when I needed it and not the dullard but slightly competent Toyota Previa!

I hesitate to suggest a Berlingo or Partner but for under £14k new either would fill a fair number of your requirements. Good diesel engine (90 or 115) capable of 50 MPG would obviate need to consider LPG. Traction control and/or snow tyres would probably cover the snow/ice issues.

Edited by Bromptonaut on 30/09/2013 at 22:00

BMW X3 - Family Car - Happy Blue!

I was going to suggest these Bromptonaut, but I realised the OP would not go for these on a badge based criteria. I hope I am wrong...

BMW X3 - Family Car - Bromptonaut

I was going to suggest these Bromptonaut, but I realised the OP would not go for these on a badge based criteria. I hope I am wrong.

Sure you're right but does no harm to turn the spotlight onto the obvious solution.

BMW X3 - Family Car - xtrailman

I think you are looking for a car that doesn't exist?

And for a family of 5 i would say a Yeti is on the small side.

A A4 estate will not give you a high ride height , but will cover your other requests, in quattro form.

X3 isnt rated in its old form, and is out of your price range in its latest form.

3 series is rear wheel drive same as your Merc, only available in X drive in the newer cars.

The easist way to improve MPG is to buy a diesel.

My previous car a 171 bhp xtrail in manual would fit all your requests, but is only available as a auto in 148 bhp form.

It has a huge boot in T31 form with a full size wheel, a high seat position, top drawer automatic 4 wheel drive capability.

Its narrow compared to newer cars, my Mazda CX-5 is 2" wider, both fit in my single garage, a warm car uses less fuel.

Only your last request may not be met, a 171 bhp Xtrail will only give you around 40 mpg locally, most i had was 48mpg on a run of the motorway.

The xtrail is a excellent car, at 4 year plus i sold this car, but it still drove like new, it had only got 27K miles miles, had full leather satnav voice activated blue tooth, xeon lights, not much it didnt have, oh and a reversing camera, full panaramic sun roof.Auto lights/wipers.

It went for under £12K private.

Edited by xtrailman on 02/10/2013 at 15:26