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Any - Telegraph Subscription- again - catsdad

I’ve just done my annual dance with the digital sub renewal desk at the Telegraph. Last year’s thread was closed when it ran off topic. My experience this year may help anyone due to renew, I think there are a few of us.

I paid £69 last year. Renewal offer this week is £329. I rang them to cancel and they immediately offered to roughly halve it. I said I would still cancel so they offered to maintain the £69. I said I could see online that we could open a new sub in my wife’s name for £39 so how about matching that? She put me on hold and came back with £49 which I gather gives me some extras (gift subs to share?) over and above the £39 deal.

Even a Scrooge like me has limits so I accepted the £49.

Any - Telegraph Subscription- again - Chris M

The downside to having the digital edition is you have nothing to line the bottom of the rabbit hutch, which is where the Telegraph now belongs.

Edited by Chris M on 01/12/2023 at 15:58

Any - Telegraph Subscription- again - blindspot

a few weeks back i bought in online for £ 25 for the year . on a wimm just popped up on web page. not realy enjoying reading it . it was just a bargain as my previuos daily mail had expired. much rather just buy a paper now again

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Any - Telegraph Subscription- again - catsdad

£25, well done.

It’s not the paper it was. It has lost HJ and some other good columnists and is very downbeat.

However if you are selective in what bits you read, it’s worth it . If cheap enough.

Best of all are the reader’s comments on stories in the Latest section. Good for serious comments and laughs. It’s surprisingly lightly curated.

Any - Telegraph Subscription- again - Engineer Andy

These sales people should be working in a car showroom, given the deals they're offering. Either the £329 is a complete rip-off (I think so), or they are so desperate to not lose face on the PR front and will stomach losing money on the transaction.

Ironically after 2 years (from 2020) of them gaining net subs mainly from the online versions at the expense of physical sales (I think that net revenue per customer dropped but not by much), subs have been dropping again since about a year ago.

IMHO they have only been claiming they now have 1M subscribers by a sleight of hand by including anyone who subscribes to the Telegraph Wine Cellar, Telegraph Puzzles and Chelsea Magazine Company (which they never did before Dec 2022, and that acquired the latter in March), which adds 220k to the list as of the last 'audit' in October.

No wonder the paper is currently being sold. I unsubbed in summer 2020 in disgust at their worsening quality* and 'coverage' (sadly they still were in my view better than the vast majority of the rest of the MSM) of the 'events' at the time. That they take the shilling (well, quite a bit more) from the B&M Gates Foundation along with The Graun rather illustrates the state of the legacy media in this country at the moment.

God help them if they either get taken back by the (IMHO hated) Barclay Bros financed by Middle Eastern money or via that chap who used to run that bastion of conservatism, CNN.

* aside from a few good journos left.

Any - Telegraph Subscription- again - bathtub tom

It's quite easy to find a 'paywall bypass' that I posted here some time ago - the mods deleted it.

Google's your friend.

Any - Telegraph Subscription- again - Xileno

We or I did since apart from the ethics it's a grey area legally and best HJ is not associated with it. As you say, these bypass tools are on the web if people want to go that route.

Any - Telegraph Subscription- again - movilogo

Paying for news today seems old fashioned IMHO.

Especially when all newspapers are biased and most news are opinions rather than facts.

I have noticed if I don't read news for few days, my mental health becomes better :-)

Any - Telegraph Subscription- again - Andrew-T

Especially when all newspapers are biased and most news are opinions rather than facts.

'Facts' include the info I (want to) believe, 'opinions' all the rest ? :-)

Any - Telegraph Subscription- again - catsdad

Well it’s that time of year again. They sent me an email offering renewal for £269 for my digital sub. Last year I had paid £49.

Rather than phone them I just cancelled renewal from my online account. Doing that took me instantly to a £39 offer. I accepted online. There was no need to wait in a call centre queue or negotiate.

Its not the paper it once was but the digital format works really well on an iPad and £39 is fair enough.

Any - Telegraph Subscription- again - Engineer Andy

Well it’s that time of year again. They sent me an email offering renewal for £269 for my digital sub. Last year I had paid £49.

Rather than phone them I just cancelled renewal from my online account. Doing that took me instantly to a £39 offer. I accepted online. There was no need to wait in a call centre queue or negotiate.

Its not the paper it once was but the digital format works really well on an iPad and £39 is fair enough.

No wonder they are in serious financial trouble and are desperate to be sold - how can they seriously be profitable if they charge £39 for all-access to the electronic version of the paper (far more content than the print one) in 2024?

They tried the same when I unsubbed 4 years ago - I felt that the quality had dropped so much and their 'editorial agenda' had become so bad that I just couldn't stay with them, whatever the price. I am still a to be able to read some articles, but (sadly) it is rare now for more than one or two a day to be any good.

Any - Telegraph Subscription- again - blindspot

just had my renewal ,come up. agent said were under new owners now and it gone up to £100. so i declined the offer and now think, maybe,i should have taken it. a daily paper is now what £2

Any - Telegraph Subscription- again - catsdad

If you can’t get anything better through your online account you might find that if you sit tight they drop you an unsolicited email with an enhanced offer. Mine is only the base “digital” offer so maybe £100 gets you some additions but, if not, I can’t see why they didn’t offer you the same deal as I got online.
I think they might well tighten up the wide range of offers but new owners are not in place yet.

Any - Telegraph Subscription- again - Terry W

The costs for an on line newspaper are fixed in the short and medium term - bar a very small amount of customer support. Journalists, IT systems, building and support costs tend only to vary longer term.

For such an enterprise the key to profitability is maximising revenues which I think come from just two main sources:

- subscriptions where even a £39 pa fee is better than nothing

- on line advertising and data sales which are largely a function of online subscribers

- possibly plus syndication rights etc

A little like budget airlines - costs of operating a scheduled flight vary little (possibly airport fees etc) whether 1 or 200 folk are on the flight. The objective is to maximise revenue per flight - hence the sale of seats at very low prices with the goal of ensuring all are full.

Any - Telegraph Subscription- again - Engineer Andy

The costs for an on line newspaper are fixed in the short and medium term - bar a very small amount of customer support. Journalists, IT systems, building and support costs tend only to vary longer term.

For such an enterprise the key to profitability is maximising revenues which I think come from just two main sources:

- subscriptions where even a £39 pa fee is better than nothing

- on line advertising and data sales which are largely a function of online subscribers

- possibly plus syndication rights etc

A little like budget airlines - costs of operating a scheduled flight vary little (possibly airport fees etc) whether 1 or 200 folk are on the flight. The objective is to maximise revenue per flight - hence the sale of seats at very low prices with the goal of ensuring all are full.

There are another two sources of 'revenue' for the legacy 'print' media:

1. Providing government 'information', aka (IMHO) propaganda. Whilst this technically is 'advertising', this proved a huge boon for them during the pandemic, and yes, 'propped up' some, but more than covered the losses due to the effects of lockdown.

2. The other is de facto 'sponsorship' in return for 'directed editorial lines' on behalf of rich/powerful people, businesses and organisations that are NOT governments.

Again, in my view, an example of this was (prior to the pandemic) The Gates Foundation's money ($3.2M in the first round in 2017, according to their website, if I recall correctly) seemingly in return for the Telegraph setting its 'Global Health Security' section, which 'promotes' vaccines and, to many (myself included), the agenda of Gates himself, which to me isn't as philanthropic / ethical as he makes out (e.g. making a fortune through GAVI etc), especially as many Western nations' (UK included) pandemic policy (and supported by all 'mainstream political parties) was seemingly heavily influenced by such lobbying from Gates himself.

I would argue that both 1 & 2 are related as part of a co-ordinated campaign

I would note that the Gates Foundation has also effectively done a similar thing with The Guardian and many other major Western news outlets, some for a much longer period of time.

In my view, many (including the Telegraph) appear to have permanently and unquestioningly welcomed these 'revenue streams', which I believe is a big mistake. It was one of the (many) reasons why I decided to unsub back in 2020, as I too was offered a reduced subscription price, which I would've accepted, if the paper was still good quality / honourable.

I do understand that finding a decent quality news outlet that reports on a wide range of news is nigh on impossible these days (rather like the lack of 'department stores'), so won't rag (pun intended) on those still partaking in MSM print news, but I would add some words of caution, given the above:

Take what they produce with several pinches of salt. The legacy media (including TV) is dying (has been for 10, maybe 20 years now), and like the drowning man, will do almost anything to survive, including pulling you down in order to survive.

Any - Telegraph Subscription- again - FiestaOwner

just had my renewal ,come up. agent said were under new owners now and it gone up to £100. so i declined the offer and now think, maybe,i should have taken it. a daily paper is now what £2

I'm getting offered it for £49.

On my laptop, if I click the "Subscribe Now" button at the top of the home page it takes you to this page https://secure.telegraph.co.uk/customer/subscribe/ with the £49 offer.

If it doesn't work for you, clear out your browser's cookies and try again.

Any - Telegraph Subscription- again - Bromptonaut

I got caught and charged £239 last August.

At the moment I cannot see any means to cancel on line. Maybe that comes when they offer a renewal.

I'll be watching like a hawk this time.

Any - Telegraph Subscription- again - blindspot

subscribed £49. went through telegraph subscription and changed to pay by paypal .

Any - Telegraph Subscription- again - blindspot

pop up advert on my lap top .just now offer free for 3 months or £25 for the year.