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Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Sam Cowan

Hello all,

New to the forum so very sorry if this hits any rules or anything (Had a read think I am alright to go).

I am looking into buying myself a car and was curious if anyone had any opinions, experiences or alternatives to the ones I am looking into.

I am pretty much looking for something that is good to drive, good for passengers, makes a great noise and has some good kit inside.

I am looking at a 2012 XJ Supersport (not sure about the XFR as an alternative seems to have less kit and maybe a bit more cramped inside).

the F10 era BMW M5's (looks to be a bit behind the XJ in terms of kit but possibly sportier to drive?) Also the 4.0 V8 M3's (E90 E92) but not sure how they are for space.

Then a selection of AMG Mercs the E63 and C63, some with the 6.3 and others with the 5.5 biturbo.

Also open to any suggestions people have for the sub 20K mark (although coming in lower would be nice).

Thank you for any help or comments you have and if you need me to clarify anything please let me know.

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - elekie&a/c doctor
Can I ask what you’re driving at the moment?
Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Sam Cowan

I currently have a BMW M140i and an infiniti Q50s, looking to sell both and pull some money out but also hoping to get a car that sort of captures the spirit of both.

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Adampr

Hello, and welcome. I take it you are a skilled mechanic or have enough money / patience to keep a vehicle of that nature on the road. Presumably, you also don't drive a lot of miles, or you own a petrol station!

I'm certainly not criticising, but it's rare (certainly at the moment) to come across someone looking at very high powered luxury cars of that vintage.

You have covered most options. I suppose you could add a Porsche Panamera and a Maserati Quattroporte to that list. Slightly more restrained options could be a Kia Stinger or Hyundai Genesis.

I guess Audi S and RS models might be of.interest too.

Edited by Adampr on 10/01/2023 at 22:47

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Sam Cowan

Not a massively skilled mechanic, can handle your general wear and tear but never dug into anything like an engine fully (brakes, sparkplugs, filters are all within my ability). My milage isn't super high and my car at the moment isn't exactly frugal so it's not too big a shock to the system.

Yeah I certainly picked a time for it, it's more of a enjoy something while I can before everything stops me and I've got to be a bit more sensible about it all.

Those are good options not thought about the maseratti at all, not sure what reliability is like on those though?

Have you got an experience of them?

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - elekie&a/c doctor
All those cars you list are seriously expensive to run and maintain. Don’t think because they are premium models that they don’t go wrong. They sure do. Hope you’ve got deep pockets. Good luck.
Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - catsdad

It doesn’t tick all your boxes but how about a V8 Mustang? My brother in law has had one for five years, bought at 18 months old, and it’s only needed routine servicing. Sure it’s cramped in the back and the interior is nothing special but boy does it go and it sounds and looks (to me) superb.

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - expat

Vauxhall Monaro. Lots of performance and reasonably reliable. Parts should be much cheaper than the prestige makes.

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - nellyjak

Vauxhall Monaro. Lots of performance and reasonably reliable. Parts should be much cheaper than the prestige makes.

..and there's one coming up in the Feb auction at Mathewsons in Pickering...IIRC it's an '04 though with about 100k miles on it....looks ok though.

Certainly has some grunt.!

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Sam Cowan

Firstly thank you for the info, secondly how well do they handle milage is 100k common for them or are there specific things I should look out for?

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Sam Cowan

That is a good shout actually, hadn't thought about that at all. What's the interior like, much tech and bits in it? Or is it more basics and all about the drivetrain?

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Sam Cowan

I drove one around America for a holiday in 2017 and loved it, I couldn't really take passengers but they sound amazing and look great, issue is they all seem to be sitting a good chunk above my budget which is a shame, but a great suggestion.

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Sam Cowan

Yeah I know parts will be expensive, I would hope its not going to burst into bits immediately, tried doing my research on them but was also hoping to find an owner and get their opinion kind of thing too. Do all the research then make an informed decision. But thank you for the well wishes.

As a slight detour in conversation is there anything you would reccommend around that price point or you have had experience of?

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Adampr

Those are good options not thought about the maseratti at all, not sure what reliability is like on those though?

Have you got an experience of them?

I've driven a Maserati 3200GT. The windows went down of their own accord and sometimes it just switched off altogether. That's all part of the experience.

Personally, I would still go for a Stinger. One like this does everything you want and is still in warranty.

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202206076544044?a...3

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Sam Cowan

Those are good options not thought about the maseratti at all, not sure what reliability is like on those though?

Have you got an experience of them?

I've driven a Maserati 3200GT. The windows went down of their own accord and sometimes it just switched off altogether. That's all part of the experience.

Personally, I would still go for a Stinger. One like this does everything you want and is still in warranty.

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202206076544044?a...3

That does sound less than helpful, I hadn't thought about the stingers, what are they like inside? Do they make a good noise?

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Moodyman
If you want a high performance large car then a Lexus GSF might be a better ownership option. Got lots of good reviews and is likely to be more reliable. It’s also less common so has that cachet.
Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Sam Cowan

Thank you for the idea but theyvappear to be a chunk above my budget which is a shame, they look great.

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Adampr

That does sound less than helpful, I hadn't thought about the stingers, what are they like inside? Do they make a good noise?

If you can find one in budget, the GT-S is a twin turbo V8. I imagine it makes a nice noise.

The interiors are pretty nice and absolutely rammed full of toys.

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Sam Cowan

Oh is there a V8 variant? I somehow missed that I thought they were all the 3.3 V6?

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Engineer Andy

Oh is there a V8 variant? I somehow missed that I thought they were all the 3.3 V6?

I can't see one, at least not listed on the HJ or Parkers (boo!) websites. Just the 2L-T and 3.3 V6-T petrols and 2.2TD. I suspect the V6-turbo (361PS) is more than enough power! Not quite a noisy as a V8 though.

Maybe a V8 was for the North American market - they do love their big V8 musclcars, and (at least until recently), petrol was much cheaper there, so outside of California, people didn't worry about mpg so much. Grey imports?

Maybe you should look at a Mustang 5.0 V8 if money isn't a problem and you like noisy V8s? I can't voucher for the handling (compared to Euro or Far Eastern rivals), build quality or reliability though. they certianly 'look the biz' (a local has one in light blue - you can hear him coming [literally, well, nearly] a mile away), at least on the outside.

The Nissan GT-R or 370Z might appeal, though again both are V6s and I'm not too sure about the build and interior trim quality, and even for someone with very deep pockets, the former's running costs* are huge (a former boss of mine has one).

* I shudder to think about how much this (as well as others in its class) cost to insure, especially for those without long, claim-free NCDs and or who aren't well over 40 but under 70.

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Sam Cowan

Yeah its all good, sometimes you get those localised models that only go to one country. Weirdly 361PS would be a downgrade in power, can't help myself I enjoy the speed.

Sadly the mustangs are out of my price range, nothing has dropped close enough to my budget for me to even try and sweet talk a deal.

I would love a GTR but have heard horror stories of bell housing issues and all sorts on early cars, I had a 350Z as a daily for 4 years and adored that car, but was ideally looking for something able to take passengers in comfort as I do ferry people about fairly often and sometimes pretty far, would feel bad cramming them into the back of something tiny.

The insurance isn't too bad from what I have put on so far, its not super cheap but not terrible, got a fairly decent NCD bonus which does help.

But cheers for all the advice and info.

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Adampr

Oh is there a V8 variant? I somehow missed that I thought they were all the 3.3 V6?

Sorry, I meant V6.

There was a 4wd in some.markets, I believe, so maybe a V8 too..

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Sam Cowan

It's all good, I wasn't sure if I had missed a V8 variant, I think that would have been awesome to see personally. Looked at a Stinger before I got my current car but the stinger was a chunk more expensive.

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - johncyprus

The well built Merc E500 5.5 V8 might do the trick. I wouldn’t touch a new Merc however the older ones are good solid cars. My 22 year old CLK320 for example now at 123k still keeps going with minimal expense. Get a well maintained example and you should have no problems. There’s a nice very low mileage E500 on the MB Club forum for 11k ATM.

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Sam Cowan

What counts as a modern merc? And are all theb5.5 engines the same? Seen some E63 and S63 with the 5.5 biturbos that look solid but not sure if those are different engines?

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - sammy1

I would recommend a BMW F10 535i 2010-2017 0-60 6sec fuel average 32mpg with as many extras as you can get. Adaptive suspension well worth going for. An excellent all round executive car

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Sam Cowan

How does it stack upto an F10 M5? Been looking at those as well look great but never driven one so don't know how they handle/ride.

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - badbusdriver

I would recommend a BMW F10 535i 2010-2017 0-60 6sec fuel average 32mpg with as many extras as you can get. Adaptive suspension well worth going for. An excellent all round executive car

And how much will that cost to fix when it fails?.

For the OP, not sure if this is worth my saying as you seem to be much more interested in gadgets and the exhaust note. But unless you have very deep pockets, you should be focussing on the fundamental question of whether it is a good car and how reliable it is rather than how much kit you are going to get. Given the type of car you are looking at is probably going to be 10 years old or more, the kind of age that these gadgets, which looked so appealing when the car was in the showroom, may well to start failing, at great cost to you (particularly so regarding something like adaptive suspension). So i'd be actively avoiding such things in favour of a lower spec and gadget count. As for exhaust note, you can buy or have made a sports exhaust for pretty much any car if you really think it is that important that all and sundry hear you coming (personally I'd prefer to fly under the radar!).

But the most basic question you should be asking yourself is which well regarded independent specialist you have in your area and basing your car choice on that. Main dealers are going to be hugely expensive, and I'm not sure I'd trust a 'normal', albeit well regarded, local garage to something of the type you are thinking of.

One last thing, you already have an Infiniti Q50 (was that your thread not too long ago re the 2.0 turbo?), a much rarer car than pretty much anything else you are going to be looking at. Would it not be worth considering spending some money of that?. If that was you with the 2.0t, I'd be looking into what tuning could be done to the engine, and what could be done to spice up the exhaust note. It is of course never going to sound like a V6 or V8, but it shouldn't be too hard to add some voice.

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Sam Cowan

Thank you for the message, I have been looking into reliability and cost, keeping in mind I do it mostly off of here, this was a post to see what people recommend or think or any glaring issues that I hadn't found on cars yet. I do enjoy a good exhaust note and the tech, but at the same time I really enjoy something I can drive and feel connected too so trying to kind of bridge that gap in a way. I know things can break and give up I've dealt with some expensive repair bills in the past but just trying to mitigate as much risk as I can, cars are what I enjoy so I'm willing to bear a bit more risk than maybe someone not as interested maybe.

I think the cars history might matter more than where you get the car from,l but I do take your point and advice.

My Q50 is the 3.0T model and I could put some money in that is true, but part of me wanted a change, own something V8 and kind of hilarious before I get entirely priced out of it, if it wasn't for needing it to work most of the time I'd look at something classic American or if I had the money JDM kinds of things.

Just sort of scanning the waters at the minute but thanks for the advice and info.

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - badbusdriver

Your Infiniti can hit 60mph in less than 5 seconds, how much more performance do you think you can use?. In all honesty, if the Infiniti isn't quick enough, you really need to think about taking up some form of motorsport!.

There are a couple of options, totally different in character, which would peak my interest. One has already been mentioned, the Vauxhall Monaro. Beloved of motoring journo's for its combination of old school V8 muscle car vibes (including thundering sound track), performance and dynamics. It is a fairly basic machine but all the better for it, the antithesis of a gadget and electronic trickery laden Audi, BMW, or Merc. But if looking at a Monaro, then its replacement, the VXR8 should also be looked at. Very similar under the skin, but with a 4 door saloon body, it is more spacious and practical (though be aware that there is ample space for 4 adults in the Monaro).

My other option is a car from pretty much the opposite end of the social spectrum, the Bentley Arnage!. The best can go for way more, but £20k is just about enough to get into a nice example. The most powerful 500bhp version (which isn't as quick to 60 as your Q50) would be beyond your budget so you'd be looking at the 400 or 450bhp cars. But this isn't really the kind of car that an extra 50-100bhp matters, torque is where it's at and ultimately points to its character and how you drive it. It does tip the scales at a not inconsiderable 2.6 tonnes (not far off a tonne more than your Infiniti!), so while it does handle well for its mass, it isn't a car you are going to throw about. The 400bhp version has 835NM @ 3250 rpm (your Infiniti has a maximum of 475NM from 1600rpm) and the 450bhp version has 875NM @ 3250 rpm (the 500bhp version has 1000NM @ 3200 rpm). But another major (IMO) plus point is the tyres with a sensible (for the UK's 3rd world road surfaces) depth of sidewall. But it isn't a car you should even think about unless you have a well respected independent specialist within a distance you'd be willing to travel.

I might also be tempted by an ex police car from the USA. Ford Crown Victoria or Dodge Charger maybe?. Ideally plain black or plain white, it would have to have the 'push bars' and the remote spotlights on the A pillars.

Maybe that's just me though ;-)

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Sam Cowan

It was more about experiencing other cars, ive had my infiniti for 2 years and its been amazing but curious what other cars drive like. I had considered motorsport but I think I may need to shed some personal weight before that, bucket seats look a tad snug.

The monaro is an interesting option, always thought it was the more raw drivers car over a tech filled cruiser. VXR8 is also an interesting option, someone near me owns one (also a 6.2 camaro, must like his big V8's) and it does sound great.

I had never thought about old bentleys, probably very comfortable but not sure how much of a boat it feels like? yeah like you said finding a good one could be trick.

An old crown vic or a charger could be cool, left hand drive might be a bit odd though.

Thank you for the ideas :)

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - John F

I am pretty much looking for something that is ..... good for passengers.... makes a great noise ......

These two criteria might be irreconcilable, so I would consider a Maserati Quattroporte as a compromise at this price level. I'd get one later than 2007 with the ubiquitous reliable ZF 6HP gearbox which replaced the earlier dodgy one.

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - Sam Cowan

I remember seeing one on a top gear episode and thinking it sounded phenomenal, styling is good from some angles not so good from others (in my opinion anyway). Didn't know about the gearbox though, that's good to know thank you. is the ZF 6HP a precursor to the ZF8 that goes into a lot of modern high performance BMW's?

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - John F

. Didn't know about the gearbox though, that's good to know thank you. is the ZF 6HP a precursor to the ZF8 that goes into a lot of modern high performance BMW's?

Yes. The ZF 6HP in its various guises was used by Aston Martin, Audi, Bentley, BMW, JLR, Maserati, Porsche, Rolls Royce.....and many other powerful cars which needed a sturdy reliable gearbox. It is sealed for life for normal use. Over 7 million made - very few go wrong.

Buying a used car, looking for advice or opinions - RT

. Didn't know about the gearbox though, that's good to know thank you. is the ZF 6HP a precursor to the ZF8 that goes into a lot of modern high performance BMW's?

Yes. The ZF 6HP in its various guises was used by Aston Martin, Audi, Bentley, BMW, JLR, Maserati, Porsche, Rolls Royce.....and many other powerful cars which needed a sturdy reliable gearbox. It is sealed for life for normal use. Over 7 million made - very few go wrong.

"sealed for life" simply means that no fluid change is specifically scheduled - it doesn't mean that their life can't be extended by appropriate fluid changes.