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Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - RJY

Over from General Discussion. Had to buy this van in adverse conditions, could not test drive, only able to start, listen, move back and forth a few feet, make sure went into each gear.

This vehicle was MOT'd 02/Nov/2022 at 193k miles, did 10k miles previous year, 8k the year before. Advisories: Oil leak but not excessive [8.4.1(a)(i)], track rod end ball joint slight play NSF inner [2.1.3(b)(i)]. Not sure what the numbers mean.

After a 6 mile drive:

1) Scuffing noise on starting only (with clutch pedal depressed), sounds like near LHS of engine, same sort of sound as rusty brake drum when brake briefly touched.

2) Chonk chonk chonk sound from NSF wheel area when driving, changes with vehicle speed.

3) Under acceleration there is a rather rough vibration from somewhere (drivetrain?), although the engine sounds OK when revved when stationary.

It goes well enough, but the above concern me greatly, since money is very tight. I cannot take it back.

EDIT: Picture of top of engine: ibb.co/KrtJK79

Edited by RJY on 18/12/2022 at 14:42

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - elekie&a/c doctor
The numbers refer to which section of the mot test it’s passed/ failed / advised . I’d be taking to your local garage for a second opinion.
Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - Big John

Why can't you take it back? You've bought someone's problem. Never buy anything without a test drive.

Needs proper diagnosis but funny noises / vibration could be Dual Mass Flywheel - especially if the noise changes as the clutch is depressed. Also check out drive shafts and bearings.

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - RJY

I can't take it back because "trade terms" (auction).

It is no-one's problem but mine, and I am feeling very desperate.

"Never buy anything without a test drive."

Never buy anything in the rain, in the snow, in the dark, I know. However, I had to have something, this looked OK from the checks I was able to do, ant I am humbly llooking for hrelp about what the symptoms might be.

My biggest worry is "cam belt", which has apparently done about 80k, and what I can find online about longevity is ambivalent.. Some say 60K, some say 80K, some say 100K. That's why I am unsure about driving it at all. If the cam belt goes, that's it, a wheel bearing or something I can deal with.

I wish to goodness there was proper information aout belt change intervals.

"Needs proper diagnosis but funny noises / vibration could be Dual Mass Flywheel - especially if the noise changes as the clutch is depressed"

It's as I said above. If it's the DMF I don't particularly care, but it sounds like some transmission problem. I don't know. I might drive the wretched thing tomorrw and try to get a sound recording. Having experience with "old stuff" it sounds like badly worn straight cut gears. It's fine idling, fine when revved without going anywhere, but go somewhere and give it a little throttle, it rumbles and vibrates a bit under acceleration.

"Also check out drive shafts and bearings"

I will have a wiggle of various components tomorrow. ANY good info on diagnostics will be most welcome. This is the newest vehicle I have ever had, and times are hard.

Edited by RJY on 18/12/2022 at 21:07

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - Andrew-T

<< My biggest worry is "cam belt", which has apparently done about 80k, and what I can find online about longevity is ambivalent.. Some say 60K, some say 80K, some say 100K. >>

There are no magic numbers about the life of a cambelt, and the belt itself doesn't know what distance it has covered. Most (dry) 21st-century belts on cars are expected to do about 100K, but clearly that number has some safety margin and will depend somewhat on the treatment it has already had. At the end of the day it will depend on how much you are willing to pay for peace of mind.

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - Adampr

Not trying to be a smarty pants here, but the chonk chonk noise could well be the track rod end. Otherwise, I'd agree it sounds like a dmf problem.

As a 12 year old van with nearly 200,000 miles I presume you bought it with every intention 9f letting it die in the near futurem

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - RJY

Smarty pants is fine. The chonk chonk noise is not like a wheel bearing continuously humming or even rumbling, it's quite distinct chonk chonk, as if of a blister in the tyre. Were it a DMF problem, that surely would relate to engine speed, rather than wheel speed? I will crawl around the thing tomorrow I hope. Anything special to look for?

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - Big John

. The chonk chonk noise is not like a wheel bearing continuously humming or even rumbling, it's quite distinct chonk chonk, as if of a blister in the tyre.

Actually this could be a simple one - has the car been stood for a while? If so the disc can rust but not the bit shielded by the brake pads. This can cause a noise on every wheel revolution. I remember this when I drove my Father in Law's car every few weeks to keep it running whilst he was away on an extended holiday. This made a noise - I cleared by hard operating the foot brake for a while. Just a thought..

Where is the oil leak from? - make sure it's not contaminating the cam belt.

Re vibrations driving along - check engine/gearbox mounts. On my old Octavia I had a mount fail between chassis & gearbox that caused a funny noise / vibration in motion - not obvious on inspection but replacement solved the issue.

My mention of DMF related to the vibration symptom under load - but start with the easier / cheaper potential problems. Still check drive shafts though.

On a positive note - this sounds as though it's the good Isuzu engine . Others will confirm.

Edited by Big John on 18/12/2022 at 22:58

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - RJY

"As a 12 year old van with nearly 200,000 miles I presume you bought it with every intention 9f letting it die in the near futurem"

No. I bought it because I have not got any spare money, and need transport, particularly a van, to use for a while before I repair my ancient FIAT Scudo which has caught rust (and has done even more miles, but is mechanically IOK).

I am most certainly not trying to be rude, but how to fix is infinitely more valuable than "Why did you do it!". Now all the ice and snow has thawed here, to add insult to injury.

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - Adampr

I'm not trying to insult anyone.

As I said, the chonk chonk could well be the track rod end seeing as you know it's worn.

The grinding and engine noise could both be the DMF.

My point was that a van that old with that many miles is bound to be knackered so I wouldn't get to obsessed with making it perfect. If it's got an MOT and it drives, all good surely

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - paul 1963

I feel.your pain, my advice would to just drive it until it dies, no point in spending what little you have on it, just keep the fluids topped up.

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - RJY

I am having the timing belt done since it appears to be 25k miles and one year overdue.

After having phoned around, £355 was cheapest, to be done tomorrow.

From Vauxhall, until 2010 change timing belt every 6 years (or 60,000 miles). After 2011, 10 years (or 60,000 miles). I have no idea why there's such an expensive difference.

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - Andrew-T

I am having the timing belt done since it appears to be 25k miles and one year overdue. After having phoned around, £355 was cheapest, to be done tomorrow.

That may be one reason why the van was for sale ? That price seems very reasonable.

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - RJY

I am having the timing belt done since it appears to be 25k miles and one year overdue. After having phoned around, £355 was cheapest, to be done tomorrow.

That may be one reason why the van was for sale ? That price seems very reasonable.

The wretched thing sounds like a Lancaster bomber in a terminal dive. Wob wob wob wob wob, maybe one wob every wheel revolution, does not seem to be affected by gentle braking. I did take a sound recording. Anyway, that's probably the next thing I'll look at.

Road tax is bloomin' expensive, too. Grr!

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - Andrew-T

<< Wob wob wob wob wob, maybe one wob every wheel revolution, does not seem to be affected by gentle braking. >>

Can you identify which wheel might be the source ? Bent wheel ? Duff bearing ?

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - RJY

Hopefully I will get it back tomorrow, so I can look then. At least the timing belt being fixed will help my peace of mind, although it's hurt my wallet. I have been in a bit of a state about parhaps having a total loss.

The sound recording I took on my 'phone reminds me of the Ipcress File brainwashing sound. Listening to it again, the wob wob wob wob sound is equally apparent at low speeds and higher (50MPH+) ones, just the frequency changes..

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - Big John

. Listening to it again, the wob wob wob wob sound is equally apparent at low speeds and higher (50MPH+) ones, just the frequency changes..

Try swapping wheels front -> rear and rear -> front to see if the noise changes.

Whilst your at it with a front wheel is off rotate the disk to see if there is anything obvious re brakes/driveshaft etc.. Make sure the surface of the wheel hub is clean - I've known stuff on the surface put the wheel on a bit of a wobble. When wheel each wheel is back on give it a spin to see if there is a wobble up/down or side to side.

Thoroughly check All engine/gearbox mounts - if one has collapsed or is failing it could cause vibration or put stress on driveshafts etc.

This sounds like a noise relating to the rotational speed of the wheels so hopefully should be fairly obvious - can we presume the wob wob wob noise doesn't change if you change gear? at the same speed that is?

Edited by Big John on 19/12/2022 at 18:56

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - RJY
This sounds like a noise relating to the rotational speed of the wheels so hopefully should be fairly obvious - can we presume the wob wob wob noise doesn't change if you change gear? at the same speed that is?

It's certainly related to wheel speed, not engine speed. It's quite obvious even at low speed. I don't *think* the loudness changes with speed, but wind noise and other noise tends to slightly drown it out, although it's certainly still audible. I wish I could put the recording I made somewhere (careful!), but no luck so far.

Not sure about the other worry - rumbling coa*** vibration under acceleration.

I'll get the bus in to town tomorrow, assuming they've done the timing belt, then have a better look.

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - Big John

Not sure about the other worry - rumbling coa*** vibration under acceleration.

I wouldn't be surprised if the "wob wob wob" and vibration under acceleration are related in some way and probably at the front of the vehicle.

I had something similar years ago with an old Passat but at the rear - in summary the inner race of a rear wheel bearing had failed (probably before my ownership) and had started machining its way through the stub axle - car had rear drums. Wasn't initially obvious until it got really bad and you compared one side with the other.

Edited by Big John on 19/12/2022 at 20:21

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - paul 1963

Does sound like a wheel bearing, Jack it up and have a feel for any play.

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - RJY

I wouldn't be surprised if the "wob wob wob" and vibration under acceleration are related in some way and probably at the front of the vehicle

I don't know why the auto-moderator start out the word that sounds nearly the same as "course".

Anyway, sndup.net/qq2p and ignore the grunting and groaning from me (having been on a bicycle that most certainly does not fit, with quite painful results to my underneath). It was a 4 mile or so trip to the garage, between 0MPH and 50MPH from time to time. Try time around 4:30 in. Lots of wind noise, and the heater was blowing too, but the wob wob noise can be heard from time to time.

Edited by RJY on 19/12/2022 at 22:06

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - Andrew-T

<< I don't know why the auto-moderator start out the word that sounds nearly the same as "course". >>

You might, if you consider only the last 4 letters.

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - Crickleymal

I've heard odd sounds when a tyre gets near to the legal limit or has worn oddly.

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - RJY

Well. It needs a NSF wheel bearing fairly rapidly! I might be able to do that. Also a camshaft sensor. Might try cleaning that first, not sure whether that will make any difference.

Water pump "will need changing soon"

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - elekie&a/c doctor
You’ll need a hydraulic press to do the wheel bearing . Cleaning the cam sensor is a waste of time. I would have thought it a good idea to get the water pump changed the same time as the cambelt.
Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - Andrew-T
I would have thought it a good idea to get the water pump changed the same time as the cambelt.

I thought that was standard procedure, unless you are a real penny pincher ?

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - Big John
I would have thought it a good idea to get the water pump changed the same time as the cambelt.

I thought that was standard procedure, unless you are a real penny pincher ?

If it's the Isuzu 1,7 engine then I don't think the water pump is run by the cam belt so not standard procedure with this engine.

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - elekie&a/c doctor
Don’t think it is driven by the cambelt, but if it’s been reported that the pump will need replacement soon, why not change it while it’s all stripped down .,
Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - RJY
You’ll need a hydraulic press to do the wheel bearing . Cleaning the cam sensor is a waste of time. I would have thought it a good idea to get the water pump changed the same time as the cambelt

I've got a press. I haven't got a nice electric impact wrench though, or a screw-type ball joint splitter though

Yes, it appears cleaning the cam sensor s a waste of time.

The water pump I will do some time fairly soon. I need to do the wheel bearing though, I think the rest can wait ubtil after Christmas.

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - Bromptonaut

I've heard odd sounds when a tyre gets near to the legal limit or has worn oddly.

We had, for around 13 years, a Citroen BX estate.

When it made a wob-wob-wob noise it was from the rear and was tyre related.

It hardly wore the rear treads but would develop a 'bubble' on the running surface of the tyre.

Has the OP checked the treads carefully?

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - RJY

as the OP checked the treads carefully?

Sorry, I seem to have forgitten to say that the timing belt is fixed, but the wheel bearing is most certainly shot, so I am probably going to have a go at it, if I can get the bearing early tomorrow, then see what it all sounds like after all that racket has been fixed.

I'd rather like to use the thing for a bit of Christmas shopping, and to visit my old mum what's banged up in a "nursing home".

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - Big John

Even if you have to get someone to help at least it's not a huge job so shouldn't be too expensive.

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - RJY

I had hoped that MPD would have a bearing in stock. It looks as if they may have one "after Christmas". H********, a couple of days. I think I'm off the road for Christmas, bother, said he, extremely politely. That has certain ramifications. :( Doesn't look as though I can get one tomorrow by 11 a.m. at all, although I suppose I could try a couple of motor factors just in case. Grim.

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - paul 1963

I had hoped that MPD would have a bearing in stock. It looks as if they may have one "after Christmas". H********, a couple of days. I think I'm off the road for Christmas, bother, said he, extremely politely. That has certain ramifications. :( Doesn't look as though I can get one tomorrow by 11 a.m. at all, although I suppose I could try a couple of motor factors just in case. Grim.

That's a bit embarrassing! I work For MPD, if we haven't got it it's normally next day....

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - paul 1963

Just out of curiosity I checked this morning, we have the kit in stock(in guildford), comes as a new hub complete with fitted bearings ( we don't actually list the bearings separately) for a reasonable £44.43 with vat.

Your branch could have got one by 10:30 this morning if they had tried....

Edited by paul 1963 on 21/12/2022 at 12:45

Vauxhall Combo van 2010 1.7 Z17 DTH - Bought van. First drive. Problem list, help? - RJY

Well, I called the branch this morning, and a very helpful chap said he'd got a similar kit on the shelf (same bearing) for my vehicle (IRO £20 ISTR but my receipt is still in the van and I am tired and cream crackered and going to bed happier than I have been for a week or so), so I went and got it (and a screw type ball joint separator). With a few odds and ends extra, the job's done. If anyone wants "blow by blow" I can post the procedure.

Edited by RJY on 22/12/2022 at 01:11